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Ryan Barrett (snarfed.org@fed.brid.gy)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:14:45 JST Ryan Barrett
- Ryan Barrett
Fediverse! I’ve been building a bridge to Bluesky, and they’re turning on federation soon, which means my bridge will be available soon too. You’ll be able to follow people on Bluesky from here in the fediverse, and vice versa.
Bluesky is a broad network with lots of worthwhile people and conversations! I hope you’ll give it a chance. Only fully public content is bridged, not followers-only or otherwise private posts or profiles. Still, if you want to opt out, I understand. Feel free to DM me at @snarfed@indieweb.social (different account than this one), email me, file a GitHub issue, or put #nobridge in your profile bio.

A number of us have thought about this for a while now, we’re committed to making it work well for everyone, and we’re very open to feedback. Thanks for listening. Feel free to share broadly.

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  Bou (bou@liberdon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 01:43:09 JST Bou
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews will you be able to e.g. reply to a Bluesky post from the Fediverse, in a way that people on Bluesky will see your reply?
  
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  Jesse Baer 🔥 (misc@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 02:44:32 JST Jesse Baer 🔥
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  @snarfed.org @tchambers Holy moly "moderate people, not code" is so good. So many ideas I've wanted to express but you had the skill and knowledge to express them so much better than I'd have been able to!
  
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  Roni Laukkarinen (rolle@mementomori.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 03:05:49 JST Roni Laukkarinen
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  @snarfed.org Can’t wait Bluesky to federate and try this out!
  
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  :jan:‍:abreath:‍‍🌬:dandelion: (crazypedia@pagan.plus)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 03:05:53 JST :jan:‍:abreath:‍‍🌬:dandelion:
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  Pagan Plus will be blocking the blue sky bridge for automaticly opting unaware users into sharing and introducing the fediverse to bluesky's moderation problems.
  
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  DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab (djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 03:05:59 JST DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab
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  @snarfed.org @snarfed sure wish the number of you thinking about this for a while had thought long enough to make it opt in for those interested rather than opt out for those not interested.
  
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  steelex2 (steelex2@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 06:08:40 JST steelex2
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews no good idea. It is not ok to demand an active optout via #nobridge from everyone. I dont care for bluesky, i care for my privacy! @ErikUden
  
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  Carolyn (cstamp@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 06:08:43 JST Carolyn
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Does this allow 2-way interaction or is it still read-only?
  
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  Blake Leonard (blake@infosec.town)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 06:08:48 JST Blake Leonard
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  @CStamp @snarfed@mastodon.social @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews This will allow two way interaction.
  
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  Blake Leonard (blake@infosec.town)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 06:09:14 JST Blake Leonard
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  @bou @snarfed@liberdon.com @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Yep.
  
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  Blake Leonard (blake@infosec.town)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 06:09:40 JST Blake Leonard
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  @snarfed.org@snarfed.org @snarfed @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I'm a big fan of bridges and this is the big one I've been eagerly waiting for. I'll probably add it to my wizard soon after it's available. Once the moderation issues get sorted out, I firmly believe that in the end, this will be a net positive for both networks, since Bluesky users will be able to follow and engage with the vibrant and growing communities and services here, and we'll be able to follow and engage with shitposters from Bluesky.
  
  The moderation issues should be sorted out promptly, and I'm a little disappointed that you're going to open it up with little consideration about mod tooling, especially considering the lists and lists of known problematic users on Bluesky, from mere crypto-shills and scammers to bigots, transphobes, racists, fascists, and genocide supporters. I don't have any way to find or use Bluesky's mod lists from here so there needs to be some other way.
  
  Plus, I'm sure Bluesky users want a way to mass-mute and mass-block bridged users, maybe even from particular instances, especially considering our ongoing tone police and reply guy problems, which have driven numerous people from here to there. I feel like this part is imminently solvable with automatically-populated moderation list(s), though.
  
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  :jan:‍:abreath:‍‍🌬:dandelion: (crazypedia@pagan.plus)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 06:09:51 JST :jan:‍:abreath:‍‍🌬:dandelion:
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  After reviewing the domain operated by the bridge creator, I have silanced the domain to discourage interaction with data scrapers
  
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  Darryl Wright (punkscience_ns@me.dm)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 09:00:30 JST Darryl Wright
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Glad to hear it! I would prefer to have a single account that gives me access to the wider Fediverse than have to have multiple identities across multiple networks. Thanks for your work! How do we use it?
  
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  FinchHaven (finchhaven@sfba.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 09:00:35 JST FinchHaven
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  @snarfed.org
  Opt-in only, or I #DomainBlock
  What is that again?
  bsky.brid.gy?
  So noted...
  I want *nothing* to do with #Bluesky
  #NoBridge has been added to my profile
  cc @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews@venera.social
  
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  unlofl [Promoted Toot] (unlofl@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 09:00:37 JST unlofl [Promoted Toot]
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews "Moderate people, not code"
  You do not have the resources to moderate everything that will flow over this bridge, so you shouldn't do it. Your project will force this work on other instance mods.
  Opt-out is unethical because people aren't aware they're being opted-in, but also because it makes this bigger and dumps more work on other instances.
  
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  unlofl [Promoted Toot] (unlofl@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 09:00:41 JST unlofl [Promoted Toot]
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews honestly, we probably need another project like #fedipact to track things like this. I don't want to keep an eye out for every scraper/indexer/bridge project, I just want to pick an instance where my admins defed and opt everyone out. As a bonus, this would place pressure on projects to be opt-in only, so they don't get blocked on sight by whole communities.
  
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  Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲 (baralheia@dragonchat.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 09:00:59 JST Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I am excited for this, thank you for the time and effort you're putting into building this ActivityPub <> ATproto bridge, especially the two-way communication support! I have had very poor experiences with BlueSky myself, but I have multiple friends that prefer it and just aren't interested in Fedi. It will be amazing to be able to rebuild that part of my social circle and keep tabs with them, while still being able to utilize the filtering and timeline curation tools that only Mastodon provides right now.
  
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  hazelnot :yell: (hazelnot@sunbeam.city)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 09:01:02 JST hazelnot :yell:
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I hope your creepy non-consensual fucking project gets defederated from every instance and your shitty fucking bridge becomes completely fucking useless
  
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  Joe Ortiz (joeo10@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 11:31:55 JST Joe Ortiz
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  @holsta @snarfed.org I agree.
  You're a piece of shit Ryan for doing this and you're going to get a lot of marginalized people like myself in a world of hurt.
  
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  Alex Holst (holsta@helvede.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 11:31:57 JST Alex Holst
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  @snarfed.org Of course you’re a white dude. Only a white dude can spend 12 years building social networks and fail to learn anything.
  Not everyone has your fucking threat model. You are literally going to hurt marginalized people with your stupid toy.
  Stop everything and spend a few years learning consent and how to not enable fascist pieces of shits.
  
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  Evan Minto (vamptvo@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 12:09:57 JST Evan Minto
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  @snarfed.org Just want to say thank you for all your work on this! I'm on BlueSky as well but not comfortable with their VC backing. It's going to be nice to be able to interact with folks on there from my Mastodon account!
  
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  wet forest moon folklorist (seachanger@alaskan.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 12:16:26 JST wet forest moon folklorist
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  @snarfed.org build bridges not walls is great! being able to add #nobridge to individual profiles seems like a reasonable way for folks to opt out. Thanks for all your work!
  
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  Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲 (baralheia@dragonchat.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 12:24:47 JST Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲
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  @noxypaws @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews The Fediverse is already made up of literally dozens of various services that all speak the same protocol - Mastodon, Firefish, Pixelfed, Pleroma, Frendica, among many others - and users on one service can freely interact with users on another service. Personally I don't see this bridge as being anything different, really. I have essentially zero issue with a public post of mine being visible to any and all - that's the whole point of a public post on the open web, imo. As long as they hold true to their word that non-public posts won't be viewable via the bridge, I have no issues with it.
  
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  Noxy 🐾 (noxypaws@packmates.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 12:24:48 JST Noxy 🐾
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  @baralheia @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Don't encourage this opt-out bullshit.
  
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  Arataka (arataka@aincrad.lol)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:09:58 JST Arataka
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  @snarfed.org@fed.brid.gy @snarfed@indieweb.social @activitypubblueskybridge@venera.social @fedidevs@venera.social @fediversenews@venera.social Cool! Looks interesting, sucks you are getting some piss poor negative feedback but the Fediverse does like to hurt itself pretty bad with stuff like this. I hope everything goes smoothly. Don't take the fedi mob seriously.
  
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  Lorrie W 🇺🇦 (lorriew@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:10:01 JST Lorrie W 🇺🇦
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  I want to OPT OUT please.
  #NoBridge for me.
  This should have been an OPT-IN only
  
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  Adam ♿ (voltagex@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:10:22 JST Adam ♿
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  @snarfed.org@snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews this should be opt in, not opt out
  
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  Dorothea Salo (dsalo@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:10:34 JST Dorothea Salo
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  @snarfed.org Congratulations! You convinced me to block your entire domain!
  Well done, you exploitative git.
  
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  smeg (smeg@assortedflotsam.com)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:10:37 JST smeg
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  @snarfed.org thanks for the heads-up! Blocked the domain on the server level. Centralized corporate social media always goes to shit, so it's nice to block it out from day 1.
  
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  alex :nonbinary_flag: (alexjs@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:10:40 JST alex :nonbinary_flag:
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge
  Making this on an opt-out basis was a horrible, horrible decision. Please opt me out, and never, ever, include me in any future bridges.
  
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  Mage Moss (trying it on) (cyrus@zirk.us)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:10:42 JST Mage Moss (trying it on)
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  @snarfed.org @gogobonobo You need to make this opt IN not opt OUT. It absolutely fucking sucks that you want to force the majority of decentralized posts here into content for Jack fucking Dorsey.
  
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  Black Aziz Anansi :vm: (blackazizanansi@mas.to)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:10:51 JST Black Aziz Anansi :vm:
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Please make this opt-in.
  
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  Delta Sierra (notthatdelta@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:10:54 JST Delta Sierra
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  Such a service should be opt-in only, for the handful of folks who DO want their content used to generate traffic for Bluesky.
  As I'm not one of those people, I am notifying you that I am opting out. It'd be nice if that request was honored, but realistically I know it won't be.
  So fuck you.
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  Johannes Hentschel (johentsch@hostux.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:01 JST Johannes Hentschel
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  Please be respectful and make it opt-in instead of opt-out.
  @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  
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  :PUA: Shlee fucked around and (shlee@aus.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:03 JST :PUA: Shlee fucked around and
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  Shanie (shanie@mastodon.tails.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:07 JST Shanie
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews A lot of people are upset about this but ya'll know, straight up, if your feed is live & people not auth'd can read your server feed you *don't have privacy*. Mastodon and the fediverse in general never said anything about expectations of privacy.
  Snarfed here could have been a bad actor and never told you anything and as far as I know it's in the clear.
  If you don't like it, block the bridge and move on.
  
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  maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:12 JST maegul
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  eh ... as with Threads + fedipact, there's likely a spectrum where the louder voices can mask the "middle of the road" voices, for better or worse. Anti-Bridge-Pact?
  What exactly is the difference between this and a new instance? I'm genuinely unclear?
  Like, do kbin instances respect search indexing preferences? What about other commercial instances like moth?
  Is it the relative size of bksy?
  
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  Kinky Kobolds (kinkykobolds@meow.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:24 JST Kinky Kobolds
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews This should be opt-in, not opt-out. BlueSky doesn't use ActivityPub and, therefore, the tools users have to protect themselves on Mastodon are incompatible with your bridge.
  I'll be talking with the other moderators and admins of furry-focused servers to inform them of this new risk to marginalized users and I'm confident they'll be taking appropriate actions to keep our communities safe.
  
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  James Harris (jbwharris@mstdn.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:28 JST James Harris
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  @maegul @shlee @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Agreed. I just want to interact with people I know on other platforms from the comfort of Mastodon. I miss people I actually know in real life.
  
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  Sara (sarae@ecoevo.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:41 JST Sara
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  @snarfed.org you should not be setting this up as opt-out
  I didn't consent to be part of your experiment, and if I wanted an account on some other network I'd have one
  
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  maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:43 JST maegul
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  @jbwharris @shlee @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  Yea, for me, the whole "I want a relatively anti-social social media" motive of many on masto seems like something that requires better institutional/infrastructural devices rather than merely distributing it amongst defed, personal blocks and outcries over opt-in/opt-out.
  At some point, it seems, some people just want a different system than what this is. Like a closed FOSS Discord.
  
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  maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:11:55 JST maegul
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  @jbwharris @shlee @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  Which, TBC, is all good by me.
  It's just that the amount of noise and "drama" necessary to maintain this constant vigilance against what a decentralised social media protocol naturally allows seems like a potential dead end with diminishing returns.
  EG, many on bsky that those here would like to talk to have probably left here because of this "noise" however much they align with the values here.
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  SuperMoosie (supermoosie@mastodon.au)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:12:08 JST SuperMoosie
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  @blake
  Where have we signed up for the bluesky TOS?
  What gives this guy the right to copy our content we make for the fediverse available on a commercial network?
  No one has consented for this.
  Bridges need to be opt in.
  @fediversenews @fedidevs @activitypubblueskybridge @snarfed.org @snarfed
  
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  jeremiah (jeremiah@tldr.nettime.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:12:45 JST jeremiah
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  @sarae @snarfed.org co-signed.
  
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  Don Ray (donray@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:12:59 JST Don Ray
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  @fedidevs @activitypubblueskybridge @fediversenews @snarfed.org
  This is bad news. Don’t do it. You seem to have decided that everyone should be subjected to your brilliant idea.
  
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  Grrrr, Darth Moose Shark (grrrr_shark@supervolcano.angryshark.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:13:06 JST Grrrr, Darth Moose Shark
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  Wow. This is just such an epically bad call. I can't imagine reading the room this badly.
  ANY privacy advocate you talk to - and I really suggest you talk to a few - will give you the burning side-eye for thinking you have the right to force folks to opt out.
  And you should definitely look into the fact that you may be violating the GDPR. Someone else certainly will.
  
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  Michael T. Richter (qqmrichter@mastodon.world)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 13:13:24 JST Michael T. Richter
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  > … we're very open to feedback.
  Here's your feedback you fuckwit: get fucked.
  
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  Victoria Fierce :vbike: (tdfischer@towns.gay)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:05:51 JST Victoria Fierce :vbike:
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  @qqmrichter @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I did not consent to your dumb post getting federated to my good server, shut the fuck up
  
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  tallship (tallship@public.mitra.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:06:02 JST tallship
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  @snarfed.org
  Ryan,
  How refreshing!
  Another bridging mechanism to extend the reach and interoperability with other Fediverse protocols in the #DeSoc space is most welcome, and from the limited analysis I've been able to perform so far this is a novel approach to what some point in the future will find other Fediverse platforms incorporating in their network stacks.
  So far, we've got seamless nostr interoperability to add to the other fine protocols such as Diaspora, ZOT, Nomad, OStatus, ActivityPub, and others in the mix. You might also wish to take a look at the repo for Minds to see how they've made seamless integration between the ActivityPub and nostr portions of the #Fediverse as well, and oh, pay no mind to the infantile and disparaging remarks that some small minded folks in this thread have exhibited - they are free to *defederate themselves from the Fediverse at any time.
  We've been following withe some enthusiasm your project in the Fediverse-City community and it would be a pleasure to have you participate there. Your insight into the open and public aspects of Fediverse traffic in the #DeSoc world is a testament to the innovation and evolution that is possible in obviating the proprietary, privacy disrespecting, deprecated monolothic silo networks that have sowed so much acrimony and subjugation over the very people whom they seek to quantify as their business products.
  You're performing a great service here, feel free to block any miscreants in this thread who don't understand the definition of public.
  Also, might I suggest that instead of offering a `#nobridge keyword index, you think about offering a solution as a FEP here?:
  https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/
  There are a lot of Fediverse platform developers I'm sure that you'll find welcoming, encouraging, and willing to offer assistance in formulating solutions to silence the adolescent juvenile mindsets that have been berating you in this thread for your selfless commitment to the well being of us all.
  In the future, the Fediverse that we perceive and interact within will become its own heterogeneous superset of networking protocols to facilitate effortless communications between individual parties regardless of which portions of the Fediverse and their associated protocols implemented. Just like #OStatus has been largely supplanted by ActivityPub, and #ZOT has been superseded by #Nomad, the ActivityPub portion of the Fediverse will also eventually be deprecated and replaced by other stacks that will emerge from the ether of creativity. In the meantime, we'll be bridging between the various protocol stacks, and Bridgy-fed is one of those tools that serves to make that a reality :)
  Thank you again, for your selfless contribution to #DeSoc and the Fediverse. it's a fantastic achievement that will serve to benefit many in both the #ATP and #ActivityPub portions of the Fediverse!
  #tallship #bridgy #FOSS #Fediverse #DeSoc #innovation
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  Johannes Ernst (j12t@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:06:12 JST Johannes Ernst
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews To the people on this thread who talk about GDPR violations: I’d be interested in the specific clause in the GDPR that you believe a bridge like this violates. Curious.
  
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  Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲 (baralheia@dragonchat.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:06:24 JST Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Here's a thought... While it's not a concern for me, I'm seeing a lot of worry from others about wanting opt-in consent for this bridge. Could you consider (either by option or by default) having the bridge send newly-followed users a message through their service saying, basically, "this is an automatic message from Bridgy Fed. <User> wants to follow you from <service> via this bridge. Do you want to allow this?" and offer always, yes, no, and full opt-out options in response. The user who initiated the follow request wouldn't see anything until the newly-followed user responded, and no response would equal a "no" answer.
  That, or the first time a user is followed via the bridge, could there be an automatic info message sent to the newly-followed user with instructions on how to opt-out?
  Would something like that be doable?
  
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  jakob (jakob@soc.schuerz.at)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:06:26 JST jakob
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  I use Friendica. And friendica hast a bluesky-adapter built-in.
  As admin i can activate it, and users can configure it for their needs...
  So... instead of building such bridges it would be a great idea to build native support for different protocols in the services like mastodon, pleroma, *key...
  Fill feature-requests to your projects to build a pressure-peergroup for your devs to demonstrate the need for.
  For my part...
  I left the commercial serviceproviders, when i discovered the fediverse. They are destroying the internet and they are also destroying democraties all over the world with their algorithms and monetarization of their users ...
  This is evident. Free democratic countries do not need humanophobe tech-bros from silicon-valley or somewhere else.
  So... i won't support their business-model. Free internet works by people like me, who host their own services, and work by devs of free software, who build code for selfhosters.
  Think about, whose business you will support with your bridge.
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  tallship (tallship@public.mitra.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:06:29 JST tallship
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  Johannes, There isn't one - they're talking out of their ass.
  They're just making noise and emotionally distressed to discover that this is how the #Fediverse currently works, and always has worked - and it's not just the #ActivityPub portions of the Fediverse, or even the Fediverse - it's the entire #Internet...
  "If you affect a public post, you have no expectation of privacy".
  For those who still feel some sense of having been offended, I welcome them to unplug their computers and toss their iPhones and Androids into the trash. That's really their only option, and they'll come to that realization some day, maybe, and it is of no consequence for anyone else in the world if they don't.
  #tallship #FOSS #networking #privacy #ignorance
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  Stephan Schwab (snscaimito@techhub.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:06:32 JST Stephan Schwab
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  @steelex2 @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews @ErikUden I guess you want to use privacy settings on your posts then. This is all public by default here
  
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  DavidB (davidbhimself@firefish.city)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:06:44 JST DavidB
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  @steelex2@social.tchncs.de @snarfed@social.tchncs.de @activitypubblueskybridge@venera.social @fedidevs@venera.social @fediversenews@venera.social @ErikUden@mastodon.de I don't know you, we're not connected in any way I know, and yet, I can see your post, and your profile and more.
  How is that for your privacy?
  
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  Johannes Ernst (j12t@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:06:58 JST Johannes Ernst
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  @tallship The counterpoint is that people generally respect CC licenses (weakly) attached to their creations. (For people != the AI crowd)
  We need something similar to that — well, inspired by — for posts. I’m sure Ryan would gladly honor “do not propagate to for-profit entities”, for example, if it could be attached to a post.
  @fediversenews @fedidevs @activitypubblueskybridge @snarfed.org
  
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  tallship (tallship@social.sdf.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:07:18 JST tallship
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  @J12t @tallship@public.mitra.social @fediversenews @fedidevs @activitypubblueskybridge @snarfed.org
  Yes, we do try to respect the Creative Commons licenses - it's a great thing.
  And statistically, studies have revealed that we also do our very best to respect the wishes of publishers who rebuke and refuse to allow their works in a distribution channel where items are DRM encoded.
  People should have more faith in the intentions of folks trying to do good, methinks :)
  There will always be bad actors
  
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  Johannes Ernst (j12t@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:07:36 JST Johannes Ernst
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  @tallship@social.sdf.org @tallship@public.mitra.social @fediversenews @fedidevs @activitypubblueskybridge @snarfed.org a believer in the goodness of people! I thought that species went extinct! Is there a club I can join?
  
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  macfranc (macfranc@poliverso.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:08:02 JST macfranc
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  Hi @snarfed.org
  as a Friendica user I already have the possibility to connect to the world of Bluesky, but I'm really happy that you are creating a useful tool for all other users of the fediverse!
  Bluesky is a project with many critical issues and with volumes that can be problematic to manage for the instances of the Fediverse, but it is objectively a very interesting environment that is attracting the best of the users who had remained on Twitter but who unfortunately had not managed to settle into the architecture of the Fediverse.
  Every project designed to create bridges deserves to be respected and supported.
  For this I thank you!
  @snarfed
  
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  Herr Günni (herrguenni@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:08:05 JST Herr Günni
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  Great News!
  @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  
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  macfranc (macfranc@poliverso.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:08:08 JST macfranc
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  @jakob
  > I use Friendica. And friendica hast a bluesky-adapter built-in.
  > As admin i can activate it, and users can configure it for their needs...
  >
  > So... instead of building such bridges it would be a great idea to build native support for different protocols in the services like mastodon, pleroma, *key...
  I am also an administrator of Friendica and for this very reason I know that I cannot ask the developers of the other social networks in the Fediverse to develop special connection bridges with other social networks.
  In fact, Friendica is a software that was born "hyperconnected by design": today it supports Bluesky and Tumbir and I remind you that Friendica also supported Facebook and Twitter, at least until these social networks removed support for their APIs!
  For this reason you shouldn't worry about the bridges that are about to be built: the nice thing about bridges is that they connect to other places, but in case of danger they can be blown up.
  @snarfed.org @snarfed
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  George Saich (geos@toot.community)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:08:30 JST George Saich
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews No thank you. Opt-out!
  
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  retiolus (retiolus@mamot.fr)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:08:33 JST retiolus
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews i like the #nobridge in the account description, but I think you also should respect the #nobot. I don't want to finish with 3000000 hashtags in my description
  
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  Tim Erickson, @stpaultim (stpaultim@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:08:37 JST Tim Erickson, @stpaultim
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  @snarfed.org
  Thanks for your work on this valuable feature for the Fediverse AND for your transparency and willingness to listen to the feedback of the community.
  Please, don't let the loudest and most hostile voices discourage you.
  Clearly, we all need to do better at communicating how the Fediverse works and setting realistic expectations about privacy on this network.
  
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  Löwe (inactive) (loehwe@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:08:44 JST Löwe (inactive)
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews lovely, thanks for creating #blueskybridge, looking forward to talking to old and new friends on #Bluesky from the comfort and safety of my #Mastodon account !! so please by any means opt me in (should it come to it)
  
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  chris@strafpla.net (chris@mstdn.strafpla.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:08:51 JST chris@strafpla.net
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  @shanie @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews “They could have been a bad actor and you would never know” does not seem to be a good point to make to convince people of bridging.
  
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  Andre (pcowandre@jauntygoat.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:19:50 JST Andre
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  If you'd like to use our content, how about paying us for it?
  Or at least consider the copyright position of each post/account rather than assuming what we produce is free for you to re-use.
  
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  Luca Sironi (luca@sironi.tk)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:40:30 JST Luca Sironi
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  @PCOWandre @snarfed.org@snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  Andre, you know, this public post you just wrote, has been temporarily cached by my pleroma server. I wonder if you consider that i'm using your content by simply answering you.
  
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  Andre (pcowandre@jauntygoat.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 19:41:00 JST Andre
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  @luca @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews That would be using the content as intended. In the same way that allowing a browser to cache a web page doesn't entitle the browser use to then republish that content under their own domain.
  Similarly, owning and using a DVR doesn't grant one the right to sell copies of a TV show.
  I can borrow a book from a library, but that doesn't entitle me to photocopy it, rebind it and sell it to another library.
  
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  Luca Sironi (luca@sironi.tk)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 20:03:31 JST Luca Sironi
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  @PCOWandre @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews so i'm preemptively good person/ server because i use activitypub but you don't trust bluesky the company, because they are using that other AT protocol.
  But once they opened their protocol, it's not just their company using it, other no profit actors can use it as well.
  There are mastodon servers owned by company already.
  
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  Andre (pcowandre@jauntygoat.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 20:03:33 JST Andre
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  @luca @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I'm not anti-corporate at all. I have no problem with a large entity implementing native activitypub and interacting natively with the community.
  I do not see bridges/gateways that republish content as that at all.
  Further, I understand there's a difference between offering someone a beer and having them walk into my house and help themselves to the fridge.
  
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  Grrrr, Darth Moose Shark (grrrr_shark@supervolcano.angryshark.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 21:56:05 JST Grrrr, Darth Moose Shark
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews "Moderate people, not code" fails to learn from the simple fact that technology is not, and has never been, neutral.
  You have to do both.
  Nice catchphrase, but completely meaningless.
  
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  Allen (allen099@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 21:56:10 JST Allen
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  @Gargron can we opt out of this bridge on mastodon.online please? Thanks.
  
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  Snowshadow (snowshadow@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:47:44 JST Snowshadow
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  @allen099 @snarfed.org @Gargron I sent a message to snarfed telling him what I thought of his outrageous "opt-out" option ...what a way to pad the numbers count for bluesky!
  Who would want to deal with an organization that has the audacity to pull this stunt!
  
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  Allen (allen099@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:01 JST Allen
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  @Snowshadow @Gargron Agreed! Though for me, part of the appeal of being in an open world (Fediverse) is not having someone sign me up for something I didn’t ask for. It’s a simple as that.
  
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  Jon Quass (jonquass@techhub.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:05 JST Jon Quass
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  I'll just respond to say, thanks for letting me know. I hope things go well, and I like the option to connect withore people.
  @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  
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  Snowshadow (snowshadow@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:06 JST Snowshadow
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  @allen099 That is my point. That is why I am outraged. I am still swearing every time I think about it. Unbelievable the nerve!!
  The Arrogance!!
  
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  Proxima Centauri (proximacentauri@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:09 JST Proxima Centauri
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  @allen099 @Snowshadow @Gargron Mastodon federates by default to all new instances. Bluesky Bridge is only a new instance.
  Your problem is with Mastodon, not with this bridge.
  
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  Allen (allen099@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:10 JST Allen
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  @proximacentauri @Snowshadow @Gargron Which is why I asked @Gargron to opt out.
  And, being ok with seeing several problems in one scenario, I also don’t like being opted into something I didn’t ask for.
  
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  user8e8f87e (user8e8f87c@berlin.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:13 JST user8e8f87e
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  @allen099 @proximacentauri @Snowshadow @Gargron You can also block all bridged bluesky instances. This bridge is a big chance for the fediverse to gain more relevancy. You can move to an instance not federating with them, but you shouldn’t expect @Gargron’s mainstream instances to do so.
  
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  Allen (allen099@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:16 JST Allen
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  @user8e8f87c @proximacentauri @Snowshadow @Gargron I completely agree… And that would be the next step. I would simply spin up my own instance. But as a resident of this instant, I see no harm in asking.
  
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  Jon Quass (jonquass@techhub.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:19 JST Jon Quass
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  I just checked and Mastodon does have a whitelist mode instances can use of they really want control over their data.
  "This mode is intended for private use only, such as in academic institutions or internal company networks, as it effectively creates a data silo, which is contrary to Mastodon's mission of decentralization. This setting was known as WHITELIST_MODE prior to 3.1."
  https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/config/#:~:text=This%20mode%20is%20intended%20for,as%20WHITELIST_MODE%20prior%20to%203.1.
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  zeitverschreib [mastodon] (zeitverschreib@social.zwoelfdreifuenfundvierzig.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:25 JST zeitverschreib [mastodon]
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  @snarfed.org I trust that you will change OptOut to OptIn before your bridge goes online.
  Just to make sure, I hereby prohibit the bridging of any information from this instance to BlueSky.
  Furthermore, what are your plans for posts with more than 300 characters? I hope that you are not planning to forward incomplete posts to Bluesky, possibly destroying their meaning.
  #nobridge
  
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  José/Joana de Castro Arnaud (jcastroarnaud@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:29 JST José/Joana de Castro Arnaud
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  I have no interest of connecting into Bluesky, and I'm offended by your assumption that me, and most people, would be interested (opt-out instead of opt-in).
  I call for #fediblock of bsky.brid.gy, and I'm blocking you. Thank you for listening.
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  Snowshadow (snowshadow@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 23:48:31 JST Snowshadow
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  @proximacentauri @allen099 @Gargron Maybe...
  What irritates me is that I left social media for quite a period of time b/c I was fed up with the nonsense going on in corp. owned social media platforms. So I found out about fediverse and now threads is here and bluesky.
  That's fine...I just don't want to see any of it or interact with those instances and I have blocked them...I don't want that toxic element in my TL.
  
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  Snowshadow (snowshadow@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 02:38:34 JST Snowshadow
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  @user8e8f87c @allen099 @proximacentauri @Gargron I have blocked the instances.
  
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  Thomas (coastgnu@norden.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 02:38:37 JST Thomas
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  chris@strafpla.net (chris@mstdn.strafpla.net)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 02:38:40 JST chris@strafpla.net
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  @user8e8f87c @allen099 @proximacentauri @Snowshadow @Gargron I have yet to find someone explain to me the difference between the proposed #bluesky bridge and someone following me from a Hubzilla instance.
  While my instinctive reaction was “leave us alone” I didn’t find a definition for “us” and I don’t think that the angry people have.
  My conclusion is that the bridge is *exactly* what the rest of the #fedi is. All the drama is stupid.
  Shun it for size or lack of moderation, not for existing.
  
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  Shanie (shanie@mastodon.tails.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 02:38:43 JST Shanie
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  @chris @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Lucky for you they gave admins an option of what you want done. Good actor.
  A bad actor, for example, is likely already gathering your servers data and training it on a LLM as you have no power over THEIR server; you have *volunteered that data by federating*. Your ToS means nothing. Oops.
  Someone truly worried about privacy would not be federating at all.
  
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  @shanie@tails.ch @snarfed.org@fed.brid.gy @activitypubblueskybridge@venera.social @fedidevs@venera.social @fediversenews@venera.social "it's possible to do bad thing, so there's nothing wrong with bad thing actually"
  
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  @shanie @fediversenews @chris @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs At what point do privacy concerns interfere with basic functionality?
  
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  dogzilla (dogzilla@metrobus.masto.host)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 02:39:21 JST dogzilla
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  @chris @fediversenews @user8e8f87c @allen099 @proximacentauri @Snowshadow @Gargron Isn’t this an example of the Fediverse working exactly as designed? Anybody who really objects to it can just block it. I don’t understand why they’re trying to get the rest of us to do it too – it’s their decision, but it’s not necessarily mine or anyone else’s
  
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  user8e8f87e (user8e8f87c@berlin.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 02:39:26 JST user8e8f87e
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  @dogzilla @chris @fediversenews @allen099 @proximacentauri @Snowshadow @Gargron Yes. Implement the AP protocol and you are part of it; then anybody can decide to block you. That’s how it works. I really hope @snarfed will just implement it.
  (Nice profile picture btw! 🖤❤️)
  
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  tness16 (tness16@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:47:48 JST tness16
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews The big fediverse house, it has a big door, why people have to enter from window ?
  @ghazi
  @nizarus
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:47:58 JST shiri
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  - José/Joana de Castro Arnaud
  @jcastroarnaud @snarfed.org it basically is opt in because someone on one side or the other will have to request the content, either one of your users requests a bluesky account or a bluesky user requests your account.
  And the assumption is perfectly reasonable given that it's essentially just another instance, as if Bluesky spun up an activitypub endpoint themselves. The opt-out is at least a nice gesture (though unnecessary because blocking a server is an opt out regardless).
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:48:12 JST shiri
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  - Ryan Barrett
  @snarfed.org @snarfed glad to see this already underway, sorry however to see the amount of hate you're getting from people who don't understand how the fediverse works... if they think this is bad, should I tell them about Mostr? lol
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:48:19 JST shiri
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  @tness16 @nizarus @ghazi @snarfed.org this isn't a window, it's an adjoining door. It's letting us and them talk without having to first exit the house, walk around the building and re-enter a completely different house.
  And to be clear, the fediverse is both, this bridge is the fediverse in action. What you mean is ActivityPub.
  
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  Johanna, CanCon variant (johannab@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:48:44 JST Johanna, CanCon variant
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  @shiri Shiri that’s the most apt analogy I’ve found so far! May I appropriate that? I find myself sometimes trying to explain fediverse concepts to outsiders.
  I usually resort to the villages-of-many-small-unique-buildngs vs. one-single-monolithic-high-rise allegory.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:48:52 JST shiri
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  @maegul @shlee @snarfed.org @jbwharris I've seen this for a while, many people on here are highly xenophobic. They found a place for themselves and they now want to close the gates on anyone else joining, seeing "foreigners" (other platforms) as threats rather than a foundational part of how this service works.
  On top of that, they often demand ideological purity... it's actually one of the reasons Twitter survives and people use other shitty platforms... because they hopped on here and found only hostility to any way in which their social norms differed from what people considered acceptable.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:49:03 JST shiri
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  - Kinky Kobolds
  @KinkyKobolds @snarfed.org The entire fediverse is opt-out structure by default.
  If you want opt-in I recommend moving to or setting up a whitelist instance (an instance configured to only federate with instances added to the whitelist, meaning all instances are opt-in by your admin).
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:49:13 JST shiri
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  - Sara
  @jeremiah @snarfed.org @sarae The entire fediverse is opt-out structure by default.
  If you want opt-in I recommend moving to or setting up a whitelist instance (an instance configured to only federate with instances added to the whitelist, meaning all instances are opt-in by your admin).
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:49:25 JST shiri
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  - Michael T. Richter
  - Victoria Fierce :vbike:
  @tdfischer @qqmrichter ... you did consent though?
  If you didn't consent you'd have set up your server as a whitelist instance...
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:49:27 JST shiri
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  - DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab
  - Ryan Barrett
  @djsundog @snarfed.org @snarfed The entire fediverse is opt-out.
  If you'd like an opt-in fediverse I recommend finding or setting up a whitelist instance.
  
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  Shanie (shanie@mastodon.tails.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:37:31 JST Shanie
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  @tauon @fediversenews @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @snarfed.org How to take a point and not at all understand what it means for $500, Alex.
  It’s possible to do bad thing, so take control of your server and prevent it in an active way.
  
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  Shanie (shanie@mastodon.tails.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:37:45 JST Shanie
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  @dogzilla @fediversenews @chris @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs that’s extremely dependent on what kind of privacy violation, but privacy concerns interfere with basic functionality when the admin(s) of your instance get(s) lazy, really.
  If you have active Admins and you can bring your concerns to their table, or they pay attention to #mastoadmin and do their due diligence, you will have a “safer” server.
  
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  Anders Borch (anders@mastodon.cyborch.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:38:06 JST Anders Borch
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  @qqmrichter @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews you have to appreciate someone so openly breaking their instance rules about proper conduct.
  It makes it easier to report and block them.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:38:28 JST shiri
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  @dogzilla @chris @shanie basically always. You're either constantly consciously deciding what level of compromise you're willing to make or you're giving away your privacy and freaking out over nothing.
  
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  Fern Woodsson 🌿 (fernwoodsson@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:38:56 JST Fern Woodsson 🌿
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Awesome!
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:39:48 JST shiri
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  @zeitverschreib @snarfed.org (a) the hashtag goes in your bio (b) that's not going to change, they're being nice, the norm is that bridges don't ask and the only way to have a say at all is to just block the bridge... which you can always do.
  If you feel like your content needs to be opt-in to distribute, you should set all your posts private (bridge will only see them if you accept a follow request from a Bluesky user on the bridge), or you should move to a whitelist server (where your posts will only federate to explicitly approved servers)
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:40:01 JST shiri
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  - Allen
  - Snowshadow
  @Snowshadow @allen099 you are not being signed up for anything with this, it's just another instance translating between the two protocols and all normal tools still apply.
  The arrogance is thinking you can make public posts on a federate platform and dictate how they federate.
  I'll also note that this isn't a corporate person doing this, it's a private individual. Bluesky has promised to federate under it's own protocol since it's beginning, once it does so you will see many instances on the bluesky protocol much the same as we're talking on the activitypub protocol, this bridge just connects the two protocols and a lot of people are interested in implementing such tools because that's the whole point of federation.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:40:12 JST shiri
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  - Luca Sironi
  - Andre
  @PCOWandre @luca in your metaphor this isn't them coming into your house, this is you put a beer on a table labeled free beer for people to come and take. Most people are just taking them and drinking it themselves. You're upset because someone took it and gave it to their friend.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:40:25 JST shiri
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  - Grrrr, Darth Moose Shark
  @grrrr_shark @snarfed.org it neither violates the GDPR (and if you think it does you either woefully misunderstand what a bridge is or what the GDPR covers), and as a privacy advocate... any privacy advocate that actually cares about their privacy rather than the vague concept of privacy would shrug at this.
  You posted publicly and it's visible on another instance... that's all that's happening here.
  I've noticed others below seem to think this is something like a web scraper or that it will do something invasive? A bridge just translates between protocols, once this is up it just means that bluesky users and activitypub users would be able to talk to eachother through this instance with it translating requests between the two (ie. user1@bluesky wants to follow user2@mastodon, they'd follow something like user2.mastodon@brid.gy; user2 will get a follow request from something like user1.bluesky@brid.gy; if they accept then they'll be sharing their posts between eachother)
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:40:36 JST shiri
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  - Don Ray
  @donray @snarfed.org yet you decided the same for us with this comment?
  If you take issue with how your public federated post is federated... then you should join a whitelist instance.
  
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  jeremiah (jeremiah@tldr.nettime.org)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:40:54 JST jeremiah
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  - Sara
  - shiri
  @shiri @snarfed.org @sarae Sure, but this isn't bridging to another Fediverse server.
  I have tools within Mastodon to deal with other ActivityPub servers without talking to admins. This isn't that. This is bridging to corporate networks which is what many of us are explicitly trying to avoid.
  
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  Kinky Kobolds (kinkykobolds@meow.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:41:07 JST Kinky Kobolds
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  - shiri
  @shiri I know that public posting means it's readable to anyone on the Internet who finds it. But as long as it's on Mastodon, I still have controls to edit and remove things as necessary. My account being mirrored to another service without my consent removes the ability to control my content.
  And besides, the right to reproduce a work belongs to a copyright holder. All it takes is one person who can afford to lawyer up and this becomes a prohibitively expensive lesson in copyright law.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:41:09 JST shiri
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  - Johannes Hentschel
  @johentsch @snarfed.org If you take issue with your post being federated then you really should note that you've opted in already by posting publicly and on a non-whitelist server.
  
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  Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 (chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:41:26 JST Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸
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  @KinkyKobolds @shiri @activitypubblueskybridge this is an excellent point. The bridge would effectively remove a significant layer of control that is inherent in the Fediverse and ActivityPub.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:41:34 JST shiri
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  @Cyrus @gogobonobo @snarfed.org I get the feeling you think a bridge is a scraper...
  Bluesky is about to start federating just under it's own protocol (their equivalent of ActivityPub which others will be able to host servers on the same as we can host servers on AP). A bridge translates between two protocols. Your content isn't getting scraped and uploaded to Bluesky.
  A bridge just means that Bluesky users will show up to us like new users on this bridge. user1@bluesky will turn into something like user1.bluesky@brid.gy.
  
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  DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab (djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:41:49 JST DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab
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  - shiri
  @shiri @snarfed.org @snarfed I promise I know how the fediverse works. have a great life.
  
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  Allen (allen099@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:42:04 JST Allen
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  @shiri @Snowshadow Am I understanding correctly that you think it’s arrogant to simply ask an instance moderator a question, while not threatening to burn the village down?
  It’s cool that people are interested. Where there’s one side, there’s another. The point we’re trying to make is this should be OptIn BECAUSE it’s created by a private entity, that’s all. It’s not an outrageous take.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:42:06 JST shiri
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  - Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲
  @baralheia @snarfed.org that's pretty much already native with how a bridge works.
  When a Bluesky user goes to follow you, you'll get a follow request from that user:instance@bridge (or similiar format username).
  A lot of the confusion and freak out comes from people (a) not knowing how bridges work and (b) taking vague offense because they don't like Bluesky and think that the whole fediverse should conform to their personal standards
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:42:22 JST shiri
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  - hazelnot :yell:
  @hazelnot @snarfed.org reporting you to your server admins for violating rule 7 on your server...
  Bridges are a dime a dozen (literally there are so many out there already and this is open source so good luck de-federating them all without just joining a whitelist server), the fediverse doesn't work the way you think it does, bridges probably don't work the way you think they do, and dogpiling on someone for sharing their project for feedback, especially for offering a polite feature to exclude yourself from the bridge which no other bridge I've seen offers just makes it clear you're an asshole.
  
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  Scott M. Stolz (scott@authorship.studio)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:42:34 JST Scott M. Stolz
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  @Allen
  The point we’re trying to make is this should be OptIn BECAUSE it’s created by a private entity, that’s all. It’s not an outrageous take.
  Out of the over 46,000 independently operated servers on the fediverse, how many are run by private entities? I don't know but I am guessing that it is more than 1.
  
  At least with Bluesky and Threads, it is easy to block. But I am guessing that it would be nearly impossible to figure out which of the 46,000 ActivityPub-enabled servers are commercial and which are not.
  
  And Threads will be connecting to ActivityPub natively. And so will WordPress. Both will bring in millions of users.
  
  I respect people's choice to block whomever they want, but the ActivityPub part of the fediverse already has commercial servers in it. Bluesky would just be one more, which you are free to block.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:43:13 JST shiri
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  @SuperMoosie @snarfed.org @snarfed @blake to be clear, where have you signed up for my server's TOS? And I don't mean that just to be silly, it's very explicitly how the legal take works here.
  You can not apply your TOS to outside users and they can't apply their TOS to you. If you take issue with it you can block the instance.
  And as far as "Bridges should be opt in" that ship passed decades ago, bridges aren't remotely new, this is just probably the first you've noticed.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:43:25 JST shiri
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  @FinchHaven @snarfed.org ... "opt-in or I opt-out"?
  How's that a threat? It's literally how these things work...
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:46:17 JST shiri
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  @unlofl @snarfed.org That's literally a whitelist server, you join a server that only federates with pre-approved servers.
  That's the only functional way if you want to pro-actively avoid being accessible from all bridges. Though to be honest you can also just pay attention to the usernames of whomever follows you to see if it's a bridge account, not like it's hard to spot randomuser:bluesky@instance
  
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  Joshix (joshix@fosspri.de)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 12:46:55 JST Joshix
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  @snarfed.org honestly fuck you. Do you really expect everybody to have enough space in their bios to opt-out of your fucking bs? How many opt-out bs am I supposed to put there?
  
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  Scott M. Stolz (scott@authorship.studio)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 13:05:38 JST Scott M. Stolz
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  I think a lot of people think that Mastodon is the fediverse, and then freak out when they find out that it is actually connected to all of these other things too. I am guessing no one told them what federation is and how it works.
  
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  DavidB (davidbhimself@firefish.city)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 13:18:48 JST DavidB
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  @scott@authorship.studio This was my feeling when the Threads freakout happened last summer and it has been confirmed since yesterday.
  
  A lot of Mastodon users don't understand the first thing about the Fediverse and federation.
  
  And it's concerning when some of those people are Mastodon admins.
  
  #Mastodon #Fediverse #Federation #Consent #Privacy #BlueSky #Threads
  
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  Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲 (baralheia@dragonchat.org)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 13:28:15 JST Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲
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  @shiri @snarfed.org You misunderstand me - I'm well aware of how follows work on Fedi. What I'm suggesting is that there be an additional active consent prompt via DM specifically for the Bridgy Fed bridge when someone follows you through the bridge - the idea being since BlueSky is an external service and not part of the Fediverse, this not only informs users that Bridgy Fed is a thing and gives them control over whether or not they will allow their posts to be bridged over to BlueSky independent of their normal Fedi follow settings.
  
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  Evan Minto (vamptvo@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 13:28:29 JST Evan Minto
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  @shiri This is increasingly how I'm inclined to treat these crybullies. Ryan's doing really important work to move the Fediverse forward and these are people who just get off on abusing strangers online. They'll never be satisfied.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 13:28:32 JST shiri
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  - Thomas
  - Dorothea Salo
  @coastgnu @dsalo congratulations... y'all chose opt out exactly as offered?
  
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  Johannes Hentschel (johentsch@hostux.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 13:28:48 JST Johannes Hentschel
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  @shiri
  OK it's good that you're going around explaining to people what a bridge is but I don't see a lot effort on your side to understand the deeper implications that people associate with bsky, the ones that sets it apart from "worse bridges". As a privacy advocate you must have come across people who take issue with their friends storing photos of them on gPhotos? That's the spirit. Yes, a bridge translates: we eschew what follows after.
  @snarfed.org
  
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  Nora🇲🇽 (nora@tiflo.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 15:18:51 JST Nora🇲🇽
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews
  @javido ¿ Nosotros aquí en tiflo como quedamos con esto?
  
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  JP (byjp@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 17:09:25 JST JP
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  @javido (Disculpe, estoy aprendiendo español!) ¿Quieres "bridge" a Bluesky con tecnologías de asistencia para invidentes? (¿Es esto “Tiflo”?)
  (Excuse me, I’m learning Spanish!) you want to “bridge” with Bluesky with assistive technologies for the blind? (Is this “Tiflo”?)
  
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  petrescatraian (petrescatraian@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 17:09:27 JST petrescatraian
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  @hazelnot I don't get why people get angry over a freakin' bridge, yet they have no issue with the existence of projects like #BirdsiteLIVE. This is just so entitled. If you don't want to have your content available live on every place, just post it with a different privacy option smh
  
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  hazelnot :yell: (hazelnot@sunbeam.city)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 19:59:43 JST hazelnot :yell:
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  @petrescatraian techbros understand consent challenge (impossible)
  
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  petrescatraian (petrescatraian@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 19:59:47 JST petrescatraian
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  @hazelnot you give consent when you publicly post something online. In fact, guess what, I can see your profile and whatever you publicly post without even logging in to your instance. How? I use a web browser.
  Did you also give your consent to an obscure 3rd party app to display your content inside it? No. Let's just ban them all then, just like Xitter and Reddshit did, or like Meta/Faceshit did in the 1st place.
  Oh, it's so great when we have stuff to help us reach content, from friends, from people we follow, but God forbid someone else reaches our content from other parts of the internet. Those that want that are just techbros.
  
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  Ghazi (ghazi@mastodon.tn)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 00:07:34 JST Ghazi
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  @tness16 @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews @nizarus I'm a little bit torn regarding this issue. While it is good to be able to interact with new people who prefer Bluesky for whatever reason, some people don't want their posts shared outside of the fediverse.
  Whatever we post here is publicly accessible to anyone anyways, so I don't think this is a completely bad idea.
  
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  Ric is writing a short story (grislyeye@toot.io)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 00:07:43 JST Ric is writing a short story
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews Trying to figure out how to access this, but @grislyeye.com doesn't seem to be working, and the docs aren't clear.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 06:19:46 JST shiri
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  @gregsie @snarfed.org they're already doing the right thing from the start and exceeding expectations, offering any such feature is totally abnormal for a bridge.
  Maybe you should consider whether you're doing the right thing by coming into the fediverse with assumptions that bridges should be opt-in when in the community they've always been automatic, opting out purely by blocking.
  And in regards to the GDPR (A) nobody outside of a GDPR country cares (B) GDPR applies as much to bridges as it does to other instances, if it's illegal for the bridge to operate then it's also going to be illegal for multiple core AP functions to operate as well.
  
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  Greg Walker :manjaro: (gregsie@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 06:19:47 JST Greg Walker :manjaro:
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  You have this totally the wrong way round and are not respecting user privacy. If you're making big changes like this the default should be opted out, not opted in with a choice to opt out.
  Don't be a dick like Facebook et.al do the right thing from the start.
  Also we Europeans have stronger data protection laws and I suspect you're breaking them.
  #respectuserprivacy
  #GDPR
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  tness16 (tness16@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 06:34:55 JST tness16
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  @jamie @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge
  I am not against the people of Threads or BlueSky my opinion is the management of relationships between these two very different worlds, a world of enormous capital based on profit thanks to advertisements and a free and voluntary world which seeks tranquility
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  Jamie Booth (jamie@boothcomputing.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 06:34:56 JST Jamie Booth
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  Assuming the big door in this context is to join an ActivityPub server, I know several people who came here when Twitter blew up and weren't warmly welcomed. Lots of people telling them they were doing it wrong, etc. So, they left and went to places like Threads or BlueSky. This is giving them a chance to be on their instance of choice (BlueSky) and still follow their friends who did stay on ActivityPub.
  
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  tness16 (tness16@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 06:35:12 JST tness16
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  @jamie @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge with this bridge the infiltrations of artificial intelligence will go unnoticed and will spread like a cancer. There are a lot of questions for example spammers who will enter through this bridge who can stop them? The list of questions is long.
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  Robur (roburleconquerant@mastodon.underworld.fr)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 06:35:26 JST Robur
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  You may want to check compliance with GDPR before doing this.
  @aeris you may be interested in this.
  
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  Jigme Datse (jigmedatse@social.jigmedatse.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 06:42:26 JST Jigme Datse
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews I'm undecided about Bluesky, but I was undecided about Threads. My thing with Threads was, "I'm a single person instance (now a 2 person instance briefly a 3 person instance) so the damage done while I'm not around is minimal". Bluesky seems to be *trying* to be not a problem, but I'm not sure they will prove to be not a problem. Thanks for your work.
  
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  Jamie Booth (jamie@boothcomputing.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 06:53:25 JST Jamie Booth
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  I think it's ok to question the management and assess the risks (as long as you don't do it in a vacuum...AI is/will be an issue on ActivityPub as well). But, I also would remind you that there are real people who just want to get along and interact with their friends who happen to be on ActivityPub. This bridge allows that.
  
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  tness16 (tness16@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 07:19:23 JST tness16
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  @jamie @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge
  Let's assume that the intention is good, it's true, social relations are important, I agree. Will the bridge only allow humans to pass? or bots too?
  
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  Jamie Booth (jamie@boothcomputing.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 07:19:36 JST Jamie Booth
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  My guess is it won't have any way to know. But I don't know if BS has a bot tag like Mastodon.
  I would also say not all bots are bad. You can have bots that report traffic or weather. Governments have bots for distributing information.
  I feel like a lot of the responses to this have been reactions to the worst possible scenario. That rarely happens. Reality is somewhere in the middle.
  
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  tness16 (tness16@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 08:01:39 JST tness16
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  @jamie @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge There is good and bad everywhere, I am like anyone who loves this fediverse world as it is with these current flaws, and the motivated people who each try to improve it on their own. I hope the bridge follows the same logic.
  
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  Mark Gardner (mjgardner@social.sdf.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 17:59:24 JST Mark Gardner
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  I’m looking forward to following #Bluesky accounts here. It seems like the other side has lots of knobs for twiddling opaque algorithms and all my follows, but precious few for moderating what I see from the *individual* “knobs” I follow there.
  
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  F4GRX SÃ©bastien (f4grx@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 17:59:31 JST F4GRX SÃ©bastien
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews i dont want ANYTHING to do with bluesky.
  
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  soc (soc@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 23:47:38 JST soc
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  @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews No thanks.
  
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  Allen (allen099@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 23:47:41 JST Allen
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  @shiri @user8e8f87c @snarfed @Gargron @proximacentauri @chris @Snowshadow @dogzilla I had messaged @snarfed.org to ask about opting out and Ryan couldn’t have been any more respectful. He’s also looking at a way to make it opt in (https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/835#issuecomment-1942046208)
  I apologized for being part of the heat and look forward to supporting Ryan’s work when possible.
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 23:47:43 JST shiri
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  @user8e8f87c @snarfed @Gargron @proximacentauri @chris @allen099 @Snowshadow @dogzilla you missed the point of what a bridge is if you're saying you hope they implement it... A bridge isn't some web scraper, it's a translator between protocols. It speaks the AP protocol and one side and the AT protocol on the other.
  
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  Macumba Macaca (macumbamacaca@mastodon.nl)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 23:48:21 JST Macumba Macaca
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  @allen099 man, that issue is one hell of a dumpster fire!
  
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  Allen (allen099@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 23:55:52 JST Allen
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  @macumbamacaca It is indeed, but that’s what happens when passionate people collide in a new-ish environment. We’re all trying to find a way to get what we want, and hopefully fair compromises can be had for any of these challenges.
  Wishing you a beautiful day!
  
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  jakob (jakob@soc.schuerz.at)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 03:57:04 JST jakob
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  Use Friendica... and you can do it now!
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 05:49:14 JST shiri
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  @roburleconquerant @aeris @snarfed.org you only need to check compliance if you're in a GDPR country (they are not), and GDPR's stance on this will be the exact same as on federation in general (as such if this is illegal than the entire fediverse is illegal to begin with)
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 05:49:27 JST shiri
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  @f4grx @snarfed.org congratulations, you don't have to have anything to do with Bluesky. But bridges are a normal part of federation, if this feels threatening I strongly recommend you read up on how ActivityPub (the protocol used by Mastodon) works, how bridges work, and the history of bridges in the fediverse.
  Odds are you'll never see any personal impact from this whatsoever unless you make friends with someone who's on Bluesky or share something that goes super viral (in which case you'll probably be thankful for this because you have zero control over screenshots, but through the bridge you'll still have access to blocking, deleting, and editing of posts)
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 05:49:40 JST shiri
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  @soc @snarfed.org I recommend then either blocking the bridge or selecting one of the options they provide to opt-out. Their # nobridge tag is thorough because it'll also opt you out of other bridges running their software, but if you don't like that you can just block their bridge's instance.
  Be aware though that if you're on the fediverse and not on a whitelist instance, you will be bridged to all reasonably compatible federated networks.
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  Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Saturday, 17-Feb-2024 16:03:19 JST Jupiter Rowland
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  @F4GRX SÃ©bastien Back in 2016, the very moment he launched Mastodon, @Eugen Rochko himself forced Friendica and Hubzilla upon all Mastodon users without ever letting them opt in.
  
  They've been causing discomfort and blocks ever since with their cultural differences, their un-Mastodon-like behaviour and their staunch refusal to become like Mastodon.
  
  Oh, and they, too, were connected to Mastodon through bridges, and while Friendica has since switched to ActivityPub, Hubzilla still is.
  
  And where was the protest when (streams) forced itself upon Mastodon in October of 2021 in the same way as Hubzilla? Through ActivityPub-to-Nomad bridges and with largely the same non-Mastodon-like culture?
  
  CC: @Scott M. Stolz
  
  #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Bluesky #Bridge #BridgyFed #BlueskyBridge
  
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  F4GRX SÃ©bastien (f4grx@chaos.social)'s status on Saturday, 17-Feb-2024 16:03:20 JST F4GRX SÃ©bastien
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  @scott we understand. As we want the choice. You cant force anything on us.
  
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