Notices by maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)

@BeAware

Generally I’m presuming that threads is sucking up lots of people who are alt-social curious. They may have just drifted to doom scrolling there.

Seems to be affecting BlueSky too. Plenty of Brazilians joined, but I’d bet plenty more joined threads.

And I’m not sure it’s spoken about enough. With Threads, big-social just artificially segregated the market (is musk/Zuck really a choice?) and are sucking the oxygen out of alt-social.

It’s imo THE issue with the threads embrace.

@BeAware @hallenbeck

For sure! Thing is I'm not sure mastodon's "product" vision is on board, at least not as much as its users or you and I.

As awesome as masto has been for the fedi, I strongly suspect (and have for a while), that the health of the fedi will depend on how well and how quickly it can move off of its dominance.

In all seriousness, I think platforms should be "good fedi-citizens" and I don't think masto is one.

@BeAware @hallenbeck

Oh I'm well aware. It was a bit of a snipe at what I believe most people mean when they say "compatible with fedi", where what they mean is with mastodon, whose dominance of the fedi I've long thought a net negative.

My one personal stake in this bluesky moment is that it breaks the idea of mastodon's capture of twitter users being the best thing for the growth/health of the fediverse.

@hallenbeck @BeAware

Really not sure mastodon deserves to own the idea of a "federated social media universe". There are commercial concerns with ATP for sure, but iteration and experimentation is very much called for on this general idea, and there are likely things to learn from bsky/ATP. Their focus on UX for one, enabling the mixing & hybridising of decentralised and centralised systems another, especially the scope for enabling new platforms & modularising.

@silverpill

My understanding is that that’s new-ish, so it’ll take time and commitment.

Also, the nature of the fediverse is that being in the protocol doesn’t mean anything really. The actual protocol is what a critical mass of platforms implement consistently. With mastodon’s dominance, that basically means it’s whatever mastodon does.

That each platform has to implement protocol compatibility on its own necessitates this.

So, kbin.social (and likely #kbin itself) is dead.

I only joined the #fediverse in the "twitter migration" and *already* have 2 accounts that died on instances that were "flagships" but just disappeared (kbin & firefish).

No blame or shame for the devs or anything. They tried which is much more than most of us.

But whoever "decided" that true mobile identity isn't a priority for #activitypub / fediverse, probably fucked up.

Why hasn't the fediverse grown more? Instances & immobile accounts!?

Is there any real or serious conversation or work around the idea of a feature-full social media browser?

Basically something like a web browser but for “all the social media” along with useful organisation features too.

For locked down big social APIs, this makes less sense nowadays, but for open alt-social systems, *it is likely the most valuable promise of such systems* that they can become like the web, reachable through an awesome all-in-one app.

@fediverse

As pessimistic as it is ... I don't think I can rule out a #fediverse future 5 years from now ...

where AP/Fediverse is basically just mastodon + Threads + apps ... and a bunch of small-user crusty side projects and unmaintained corporate implementations.

I'm really not convinced that the "ideal" of the fediverse's rich ecosystem is being tended to well enough.

Realistically, multi-protocol clients, bringing in bsky/nostr etc may in time come to fulfill that ambition more than AP apps.

This thread (on threadiverse) reminiscing about 2000s era internet made me think:

A paradox with the current #fediverse:

it's driven, partly, by nostalgia and longing for the "early internet".

And yet, is built in imitation of modern big-social.

I was struck by the thought "does the fedi capture any of these structures, feelings and vibes?"
I don't think so, at all.

The fedi is balkanised big-social, not new-old-internet, and you can feel it, there's unmet longing.

https://lemm.ee/post/35170667

Iceshrimp: A #csharp fediverse platform

Was just told (by @Subversivo ) about this: https://iceshrimp.dev/iceshrimp/iceshrimp.net

#Iceshrimp are rewriting the whole thing (a JS/Node #misskey / #firefish fork) in C# with Blazor for the frontend.

Cool to see. Should handle the performance issues that have plagued the *key forks and maybe provide a new general branch of fediverse platform.

What lang/stack isn't represented on the fediverse now? C++, Kotlin?

@fediverse
@fediversenews

@hrefna @adamhotep @tchambers

I’m probably out of the loop or daft on something. Is there any reason in particular why it’s gonna live rent free or why the comment about screenshots strikes so hard?

@chetwisniewski @GossiTheDog @Quinnypig

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/743/

"The worlds tiniest open-source violin"

Lemmy is experimenting with plugins.

https://lemmy.ml/post/15187879

Still in experimental prototyping stages it seems, but cool to see. Hope it gets worked on and works out well.

Could be an interesting experiment for the Fedi in general?

It’s using rust’s extism, so webaasembly for plugins.

#fediverse #lemmy #rust #extism

Nice demonstration of why mastodon's dominance is problematic

See the conversions here:
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4628
and
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/federating-the-content-of-posts-note-articles-and-character-limits/4087

AFAICT, mastodon's decisions, which are arguably problematic (on which see: https://lemmy.ml/post/14973403) are literally trickling down to other platforms and infecting how they federate with each other as they dance around mastodon's quirks in different ways.

It seems like masto is ruining "the standard" with its gravity.

#fediverse #mastodon
@fediverse

@BeAware @julian

I'm aware ... I'm talking about the "moment" that happened last year where some hype grew around it. Whatever survives now is clearly a distinct project IMO.

@thomasfuchs

As with economics/finance and crypto, AI is driven by the childish hubris of the tech sector to think they're above all of the other fields of expertise.

Otherwise, what strikes me is the urge to rush into an obvious ethics problem. Once the machine is near human sentient/AGI, then ethics dictates you have to be humane to it, which is not what capitalism wants from its machines (see Human History™).

People are actually on BlueSky

There's now a decent measurement of #bluesky user numbers (https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/edavis.dev/bskycharts.edavis.dev/bsky_users_total.html) ...

They've got about 1.6M MAUs ...
& 0.8M Weekly unique users & 0.340M Daily.

That's not nothing!

Roughly double mastodon and 60% more than the whole fediverse (by MAUs, see fedidb.org).

Bluesky is quite "international" with large Japanese and Brazilian popltns, and there's real attrition happening IMO.

Still, let the protocol wars begin I suppose?

@fediverse

@thomasfuchs

The “preparing for new platform wars when your competitors are just going to cede established territory on their own that will be relatively easy to pick up” trap … easy to miss.

The founding myth of all alternative social media spaces is that they are in their essence better places than Twitter.

But so long as their membership is open and their quality reliant on user growth …

in reality they will be essentially the same and the differences, if any, will lie in more subtle/complex aspects easily masked by the founding myth and the celebration it receives from its adherents.

In this alternative social media moment, I wonder how much of a movement there is, which would require IMO a coherent set of motives and beliefs widely held amongst participants.

Instead I wonder if there’s a good deal of myth making, platform hopping, novelty chasing and incoherent motives/beliefs.

I wonder if alternative social media is a movement at all, and if it is, whether it registers at all with outsiders as to what it is about so as to invite newcomers.