@diedofheartbreak You aren't making the point you think you are making, you are making it in an inappropriate way and in an inappropriate place, and you should probably take about three steps back.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 13:38:21 JST Hrefna (DHC) -
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 05:51:01 JST Hrefna (DHC) There's value in doing a de jure to de jure comparison and I endorse the several attempts to do such, but also from a practical standpoint I don't think it matters overmuch for where things are today.
For where things are _tomorrow_? For where we can take things? It may matter, but not today.
Today the only really meaningful analysis in this regard from a "debating which is better" standpoint is either de facto to de facto, or de jure to ideal.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 05:48:33 JST Hrefna (DHC) Really my hot take on "decentralization" meta is that the fediverse is not decentralized for any useful definition of the term.
The protocols affordances in this regard are interesting and would allow for several different definitions of "decentralized," but really fundamentally it is hard to argue that it is "decentralized" in any _useful, practical_ sense.
Back to de facto vs. de jure: I don't think we can compare the de facto implementation of ATProto to the de jure implementation of AP.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 05:42:10 JST Hrefna (DHC) "Why would they use a looped cord for determining distance and not just tie it off? It'd make more sense if it was for <reason>"
I have a few guesses as to why they might have, but this is someone who needs to do experimental archeology—actually go out into the field and do this as an exercise—and get out of their own head rather than speculating.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 05:01:05 JST Hrefna (DHC) @DamonHD In general I suspect it's mostly just the patriarchy because it definitely happens without any need for deliberate trolling.
Also IME deliberate trolling has a different flavor to it. While there is overlap, that looks more like trying to get a rise out of the other person, this looks more like "trying to position oneself as higher in social dominance."
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 04:57:36 JST Hrefna (DHC) This is in some ways a fundamentally different pattern of usage, even while being superficially similar, to what a lot of other groups do.
I'm not talking about discussing something, or disagreeing, etc. The fact that I have to make this distinction explicitly should itself tell you something. Especially in places where there's a tacit grouping effect in place.
It's this "imma gonna show up with this complete stranger and show off how smart I am" with no further apparent goal.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 04:51:52 JST Hrefna (DHC) One thing I see a lot of men do that I see a _lot_ less among… pretty much any other group, is show up in other people's timelines to pick random fights.
Not merely "disagree," but "actively pick fights."
They don't seem to realize that that's what they are doing, but it is filled with the various subtle power dynamics and "monkey dance" posturing that men do elsewhere, it's just online instead.
This ties into the "my life is your academic debate or thought exercise" as well.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 20:57:47 JST Hrefna (DHC) Wait are we _actually_ going to get a flamechaser arc in HSR? That wasn't just spun out of whole cloth?
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 19:47:06 JST Hrefna (DHC) Might I suggest that if you want to have a discussion on the academic merits of the Red Queen Hypothesis, how that relates to adversarial models of human development, and how this is supported or opposed by social contract theory the time and place to have that discussion is not on the page of a trans stranger who is talking about modern fascists and drawing parallels to literal nazis using a text written shortly after the Liberation of Paris.
Just a suggestion.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 19:31:11 JST Hrefna (DHC) @helge also sometimes light on fire.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 19:30:54 JST Hrefna (DHC) Me: <makes a point about how nazis behave using a text written in 1944 and how they will invent someone to persecute in the absence of anyone>
Random dude: "well actually someone is always going to be persecuted, human nature"
Then he got offended when I said that it was nazi apologia and said that it was gross to say that 🤷🏻♀️
Mate, you show up for the first time to talk to me, respond to something that was not addressed to you, and pull this nonsense. How do you think this will play out?
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 19:05:17 JST Hrefna (DHC) Saw a video today that tried to use a compost heap analogy for ideas and just…
Men especially: if you've never actually built a composting bin or run a fair sized composting heap previously, maybe don't use composting as an analogy. What you are communicating and what you think you are communicating will tend to diverge.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 18:56:37 JST Hrefna (DHC) @Forest_Gardens k, I don't recall asking for nazi apologists to show up in my timeline, but evidently here we are.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 18:35:04 JST Hrefna (DHC) @Forest_Gardens ???
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:59:50 JST Hrefna (DHC) Threads is actively in the process of that first E right now.
I don't think you even need to assume ill intent—though frankly given that it is meta assuming ill intent is probably wise—that is functionally where this road leads.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:57:17 JST Hrefna (DHC) @cwebber Oh definitely 100% agreed.
That's just an in-flight effort and I'm thinking more "why not before now."
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:55:52 JST Hrefna (DHC) These things also aren't features for us and hinderances for corporate development either.
They are hinderances to us as well. We've managed to work around or overlook them in some corners, but that still cause substantive damage to the health of the system here.
This isn't "yay we found the solution to keep corporations out" this is "we've made this place developer-hostile enough that almost no one, including corporations, wants to develop here."
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:52:38 JST Hrefna (DHC) It also doesn't buy you anything as a company—not because there's no tooling written under "corporation friendly licenses" (as some might assert)— but because there's _no tooling at all_.
So you get very little, you're entering into a fractious landscape already, and it costs a lot. Great.
They could choose to implement in XMPP while they are at it.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:48:26 JST Hrefna (DHC) IMO: The reason it hasn't happened is because there hasn't been a reason to do it.
The current size of all AP servers, combined (that aren't owned by friggin _meta_), is basically trivial and it's an excessive amount of work and numerous legal headaches to integrate even just with mastodon.
To EEE you first have to ermbrace it, and there just isn't a reason to do the first E for most companies.
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Hrefna (DHC) (hrefna@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Nov-2024 07:44:50 JST Hrefna (DHC) ActivityPub would be trivial for a "big player" to take over.
I don't know why people think this isn't true. A completely idealized version of AP that doesn't resemble actual AP?