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   hallenbeck (hallenbeck@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 10:22:03 JST hallenbeck

   • BeAware

   @BeAware The only thing I'm interested in with regards to Bluesky development is what their plans are for interop with AP and how they plan to become a part of fedi, not spin up and alternate competing fedi. Ultimately, I'd like to see ideas from both worlds combined into one standardised, interoperable whole. But I get the sense in their comms and persistent lack of acknowledgement of AP that they see AP as a failure and AT as the one true protocol.

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     hallenbeck (hallenbeck@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 10:12:55 JST hallenbeck

     It's quite disheartened just how apparent it is becoming that BSky doesn't want to be a part of the #fediverse but wants instead to compete with and, presumably, extinguish it. Or have I misread what The Atmosphere is all about?

     https://c.im/@youronlyone/113059552749585167

     Would much rather see collaboration, not this naked, tech-bro, testosterone-rich competition.

     #Bluesky #Mastodon #ATmosphere #Fediverse

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     hallenbeck (hallenbeck@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 10:27:12 JST hallenbeck

     • BeAware

     @BeAware why would they? VC funding tends to necessitates a certain degree of selfishness, for better or for worse. It's the nature of the beast.

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 10:27:47 JST BeAware

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     @hallenbeck facts. It's also the reason that Threads barely discusses the Fediverse and hides it behind 3 menus.🤦♂️

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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 12:30:35 JST BeAware

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     • maegul

     @maegul @hallenbeck 🤨 there's *many* other federated softwares besides mastodon....

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 12:30:36 JST maegul

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     • BeAware

     @hallenbeck @BeAware

     Really not sure mastodon deserves to own the idea of a "federated social media universe". There are commercial concerns with ATP for sure, but iteration and experimentation is very much called for on this general idea, and there are likely things to learn from bsky/ATP. Their focus on UX for one, enabling the mixing & hybridising of decentralised and centralised systems another, especially the scope for enabling new platforms & modularising.

     BeAware repeated this.
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     BeAware (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 12:34:22 JST BeAware

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     • maegul

     @maegul @hallenbeck I'm on the boat of "pick which platform you want, but we should still be able to communicate".

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 12:34:23 JST maegul

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     • BeAware

     @BeAware @hallenbeck

     Oh I'm well aware. It was a bit of a snipe at what I believe most people mean when they say "compatible with fedi", where what they mean is with mastodon, whose dominance of the fedi I've long thought a net negative.

     My one personal stake in this bluesky moment is that it breaks the idea of mastodon's capture of twitter users being the best thing for the growth/health of the fediverse.

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     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 12:38:38 JST maegul

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     • BeAware

     @BeAware @hallenbeck

     For sure! Thing is I'm not sure mastodon's "product" vision is on board, at least not as much as its users or you and I.

     As awesome as masto has been for the fedi, I strongly suspect (and have for a while), that the health of the fedi will depend on how well and how quickly it can move off of its dominance.

     In all seriousness, I think platforms should be "good fedi-citizens" and I don't think masto is one.