Notices by hallenbeck (hallenbeck@mastodon.social)

@pfefferle @ethicalrevolution @Mastodon @WordPress @snarfed.org

Agree! Open web legend.

@ethicalrevolution @pfefferle @Mastodon @WordPress

Going to sub to that podcast - thanks for the tip!

@ethicalrevolution @pfefferle @Mastodon @WordPress

Love this episode: https://pca.st/o1opa0i9

@evan Seems entirely reasonable and healthy.

@evan Seems like there are a few relatively simple steps Bluesky could take here to allay some fears show real willingness and intent. To put their money where their mouth is and become an authentic collaborator and Good Actor. This to me as a non-expert sounds necessary. Hardly surprising so many form a perception that they have an ulterior motive if they don't take these steps. Seems disingenuous, simplistic, and a bit gaslighty to suggest the debate has arisen because "the fediverse is mean".

@evan Is there any appetite within the community to work with AT to bring those things it does over to AP as part of an open standardisation process? Or if not that then appetite to make AT a W3C standard alongside and in collaboration with AP, acknowledging they serve somewhat different needs? The subtext I am picking up is a fear that Bluesky is leveraging VC funding to rapidly divide and conquer the social web. A sort of zero-sum protocol war funded by a company with a product.

@evan Does that invalidate my question? I'm not an expert on AP or AT, I'm just trying to understand the debate, but from what I've read, there are pros/cons/strengths/weaknesses with both. Are you suggesting that AP can do everything AT can do equally well and that AT is merely a competing standard and a cynical, commercial land-grab rather than an honest alternative?

@evan An interesting follow-up might be: should the Social Web be built on a single protocol?

@tchambers @mackuba @markdarb @mmasnick @mike @snarfed.org

Exactly that 💯

@tchambers @mackuba @markdarb @mmasnick @mike @snarfed.org

Would be useful to have standardised "nutrition information" for decentralised servers. Part of the problem with opt-out/opt-in and other choices is that users aren't even aware there's a choice to be conscious of. Standardised labelling gives consumers a consistent set of accessible reminders of ingredients they might want/need to pay attention to. Same principle could apply to social media.

https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/check-the-label

@mackuba @markdarb @mmasnick

I know, I saw that. I also listened to the podcast where @mike interviewed @snarfed.org. Worth a listen: https://dot-social.simplecast.com/episodes/ryan-barrett

I meant I've personally not met anyone actively hostile to it in my circles. It seems there's a quiet majority who are ok (or indifferent) with it.

But Mike (Masnick) said Bluesky users are fine with the bridge, so make it opt-out that side. Then explore with admins making it opt-out on selected, friendly fedi servers, too.

@mackuba @markdarb @mmasnick @mike @snarfed.org

It seems logical on fedi, where different servers have different rules and governance, that some would be opt-out and some opt-in. I'd personally choose an opt-out server, but I can see why others would choose opt-in. That's kinda the point of being able to choose one's server, right?

@markdarb @mmasnick I've not met anyone on Mastodon actively hostile to the bridge either. People in my circles all welcome it. I don't buy this notion there's a homongenous "fediverse" community even though it gets painted that way because of a noisy minority (I'm guessing minority) with a particular point of view.

@markdarb @mmasnick If Bluesky folk are happy with the bridge, can you make it opt-out by default? I have found most people are happy to bridge. Problem is, they just don't know to in the first place. Discovery is the problem.

@markdarb @mmasnick This. Unless it's opt-out by default, it's excruciatingly painful to get people to bridge. It's hard to explain, hard to make people trust what it is, hard to contact each and every person. It's a never ending battle to try and unfork the divided community, especially as waves of new folk join Bluesky and not Mastodon. Feels like in my community, Bluesky has very much been "winner takes all" and the bridge, while a useful band-aid, doesn't actually heal the rift.

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Back after a mental health break. I never did an intro post before, so here goes:

My name is Charlie. Hallenbeck has been my online pseudonym since the 90s.

I'm nearly 50.

My family have supported Spurs since the beginning, when the club colours were navy blue and we played on Tottenham marshes.

My background is in digital services: data, open standards, user experience, design and development. I've worked exclusively at non-profits in the environmental sector for over 2 decades.

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@evan are there any plans at @swf for exploring AP in podcasting? One of the shining beacons of open standards - it's so ideal. Already a diversity of apps and providers, and Automattic have PocketCasts ripe for enhancing.

@BeAware You object to this because Meta is a part of it? That's it?

@BeAware Why is it not a good thing and why do you hate it?