Notices by maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io), page 2

I also wonder if the great incoherence at the root may be a disjunct between techno-capital motives and social motives … with techno-capital motives reigning supreme and baffled by the indifference of those with chiefly social motives … with big social media being perhaps the wrong place to care about and act on techno-capital issues.

In about 6 months time, we’re going to be 2 years since the Twitter migration, and able to take stock after a raft of elections, a Reddit enshitification and continuous musk and zuck activity. Where will we be?

For me, I’ll imagine the primary outcome will be to have forced a number of people to wonder what the point of alternative social media is while appeasing nerds and helping *some* marginalised people.

And I’m not sure “we” have a good answer without the founding myths.

@thomasfuchs

Astrophotography strikes me as likely to be this, honestly.

Expensive and privileged. Nature based beauty rather than “edgy art”. “technical”/techbro. Aligned with technological advancement. Rural and anti-urban. Provides special knowledge or views only to those privileged enough to acquire them.

#Lemmy wants to have private communities!

See https://lemmy.ml/post/12014733

> Private spaces are a fundamental aspect of human communication. They allow discussing sensitive topics without interruption from outsiders. Supporting private communities in Lemmy gives a major new use case for talking among friends or within organizations. This use case is currently not covered by major Fediverse projects.

Novel for the #fediverse it seems.

@jbwharris @shlee @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

Which, TBC, is all good by me.

It's just that the amount of noise and "drama" necessary to maintain this constant vigilance against what a decentralised social media protocol naturally allows seems like a potential dead end with diminishing returns.

EG, many on bsky that those here would like to talk to have probably left here because of this "noise" however much they align with the values here.

@jbwharris @shlee @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

Yea, for me, the whole "I want a relatively anti-social social media" motive of many on masto seems like something that requires better institutional/infrastructural devices rather than merely distributing it amongst defed, personal blocks and outcries over opt-in/opt-out.

At some point, it seems, some people just want a different system than what this is. Like a closed FOSS Discord.

@shlee @snarfed.org @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

eh ... as with Threads + fedipact, there's likely a spectrum where the louder voices can mask the "middle of the road" voices, for better or worse. Anti-Bridge-Pact?

What exactly is the difference between this and a new instance? I'm genuinely unclear?

Like, do kbin instances respect search indexing preferences? What about other commercial instances like moth?

Is it the relative size of bksy?

@notthatkaren @mmasnick @tomcoates

I'm pretty sure they're mostly all in on BlueSky.

@notthatkaren @mmasnick @tomcoates

My, perhaps uninformed/naive take, is that for those that value decentralisation, the fediverse being "friends" with bluesky/atproto will make more sense over time.

BlueSky/atproto is closer to a different take on decentralisation than anything else going on at the moment. And the fedi and bsky may be better off "together" than "enemies".

@thomasfuchs

Heavy goggles on faces blocking your vision is not a desirable device/object. It’s pretty much common sense.

Only nerds can convince themselves that others will eventually see the light and share and understand their personal interest.

Maybe it’s a bit like the vim cult but with “awesome” graphics to smooth over the nerdy idealism.

@tchambers @Flipboard

Some interesting predictions on here!

Most likely inaccuracy AFAICT is it’s too bullish on Fedi and too bearish on BlueSky.

@aral

Yea I'm on firefox ... tried this and yea no backspace for me ... but forward-delete works ... hilariously bad!

@aral

Huh ... was curious (also about icloud in the browser). Just tried and backspace worked fine?

Also, ignorant of the whole thing (and as someone that doesn't touch these browser app suites) ... it does seem (surprisingly) like they've built out something decent?

@laurenshof @kissane

Yep yep yep.

I think I've said similar-ish things myself (though I can't help you with being fully formed ... nothing I say is fully formed!).

There's probably something to be said too about the de-humanisation of a fractured fediverse. It's hard to care about who you're talking to or whether you've known them before if it's too hard/noisy to find out. And so accounts and follows become more transactional than necessary.

Additionally there's lost follows from migrations

@laurenshof @kissane

Riffing on your "single space" and "getting federation wrong" ... I think there's something to say about the lowest common denominator effect in a federation of multiple platforms where unless all/most platforms/users support something than it doesn't really exist as a feature on the fediverse.

Quote posts exist on some platforms, but not mastodon, so it doesn't matter if you're microblogging.

While I'm all for platform diversity, I feel like many don't realise this.

@laurenshof @kissane

The effect of this (as a not fully formed thought) I suspect is to exacerbate the above. Sub-networks of iso-featured platforms develop. People fracture over multiple accounts across these platforms. Then followers fracture.

The whole *social* side of this becomes a second class citizen at a fediverse level.

The alternative? A protocol + base software that guarantees a "rich"/variable set of formats to establish the feature-set floor and provide "single spaces"?

@tchambers
> Joining ActivityPub would have been a big engineering effort

Genuine and naive question: Is engineering against ActivityPub too hard?

Any time I hear about the task, it’s difficult and often not worth it. Is this an impediment to the ecosystem? Could generic AP software be viably made and shift this, by perhaps at least covering a decent subset of the spec?

@shi @pettter well, same lesson from the pandemic … people need to learn what exponential actually means in practice.

@inthehands for sure!

@inthehands I don’t think any tool has been both fundamental and as anxiety inducing as brew.