Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 18:49:03 JST maegul

   • Erin Kissane

   @laurenshof @kissane

   Yep yep yep.

   I think I've said similar-ish things myself (though I can't help you with being fully formed ... nothing I say is fully formed!).

   There's probably something to be said too about the de-humanisation of a fractured fediverse. It's hard to care about who you're talking to or whether you've known them before if it's too hard/noisy to find out. And so accounts and follows become more transactional than necessary.

   Additionally there's lost follows from migrations

   • Embed this notice
     Brendan Jones (brendanjones@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 18:48:58 JST Brendan Jones

     in reply to

     • smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)
     • Erin Kissane

     @smallcircles @kissane @maegul @laurenshof This is why I want more topic-based features. Yes, scrolling my home feed is great for serendipitous topic-agnostic content discovery from the amazing people in my network, but in the end I’m mainly here to talk about specific topics.

     So following and filtering on hashtags and keywords in lists feels hugely important for enabling opt-in communication on topics relevant to each person.

   • Embed this notice
     Erin Kissane (kissane@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 18:48:59 JST Erin Kissane

     in reply to

     @maegul @laurenshof I’ve been fussing with some adjacent ideas since summer, but Meta keeps getting in the way of a writeup :/

     I really like that Masto account migration focuses on people over posts, though I’d like both. I’d like to see the same focus on the interpersonal reflected in the design of our conversations, which would mean bringing context forward and unifying fragmented feeds. (I have a suspicion that this is largely a software/app problem.)

     Brendan Jones repeated this.
   • Embed this notice
     smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 18:48:59 JST smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

     in reply to

     • Erin Kissane

     @kissane @maegul @laurenshof

     I compare to how I do social networking offline. It's all personal and nearly always opt-in.

     One joins a tennis club and then has nerdy talk about 'ball spin' in the canteen. At school the meeting about next year's policy is only relevant to parents having their kids there.

     Who starts shouting on the public square and expect people to close their ears if its not relevant to them?

     Yet on fedi we get a single follower/following spout to filter many-community comms.

   • Embed this notice
     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 18:49:01 JST maegul

     in reply to

     • Erin Kissane

     @laurenshof @kissane

     The effect of this (as a not fully formed thought) I suspect is to exacerbate the above. Sub-networks of iso-featured platforms develop. People fracture over multiple accounts across these platforms. Then followers fracture.

     The whole *social* side of this becomes a second class citizen at a fediverse level.

     The alternative? A protocol + base software that guarantees a "rich"/variable set of formats to establish the feature-set floor and provide "single spaces"?

   • Embed this notice
     maegul (maegul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 24-Dec-2023 18:49:02 JST maegul

     in reply to

     • Erin Kissane

     @laurenshof @kissane

     Riffing on your "single space" and "getting federation wrong" ... I think there's something to say about the lowest common denominator effect in a federation of multiple platforms where unless all/most platforms/users support something than it doesn't really exist as a feature on the fediverse.

     Quote posts exist on some platforms, but not mastodon, so it doesn't matter if you're microblogging.

     While I'm all for platform diversity, I feel like many don't realise this.