Notices by smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) (smallcircles@social.coop)

In Holland we have an analogy to gauge whether someone has too much #ownership + decision making power in a project.

This by simply asking the question: "What would happen if you walked under a bus tomorrow?"

Which are the top 3 most prominent and vital #FOSS projects you would nominate to be equipped with bus-free zones and in-house dormitories for the dev crew?

Utterly biased for fedi, I already say mastodon, so that option no longer counts.

My oh my..
Could we even find 3 for that list? 😛

@bhaugen @serapath @cwebber

This discussion is very interesting. Unfortunately it is lost in fleety, threadrotting in fedi timeline history tomorrow.

To the general vision, I'd say let's make it happen.. gradually and sustainably 😅

I have ideas..

https://discuss.coding.social/t/proposal-start-a-fellowship-to-explore-the-social-web/571

And there is action already:

https://discuss.coding.social/t/wiki-vision-for-a-fedi-specification/563

Hop on, and join the fun, you are invited. 😃

@serapath @cwebber

Thanks a lot for these resources. I will have a look! 👍

@cwebber fabulous! Stuff to 👀

You mention "Message passing" vs "shared heap" architectures and it occurred to me how fast this shift to pioneering in "decentralized/distributed solution design" space and entering entire new computing paradigms currently is.

Where once more tech is running way ahead of responsible use. Technically all is possible. Reality is we stumble ahead, no best-practices, impl on-the-fly.

We take as it were big bets on future direction, may overlook externalities.

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@cwebber

Not only are the implications of the BS shared heap architecture easily overlooked and consequences come later, this has been the de-facto approach for any decentralized web technology thus far, including AP. Where hard-tech mindset and focus dominates.

And yes, the complexity warrants all that attention.

Yet there's less thought and attention payed to how DX, UX system / application / solution design should cope in the higher levels of the stack, and esp. in FOSS circles.

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@cwebber

Making it extra hard to bridge the technology adoption chasm beyond early adopters, while the decentralized ecosystem suffers protocol decay.

Re:new computing paradigms.

> "local-first p2p social networking at scale"

.. someone said.

That buzzwordy sentence might see us enter a new exciting social web of adventure, if we don't squander the opportunity.

Technical all is once again possible. Martin Kleppmann inspires with generic local-sync protocols, universal back-ends, etc.

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@cwebber

But thinking about exploring technical possibilities is way out of lock-step again, speeding ahead of how one would use this shiny technology to build useful things on top of in the best possible way.

I have difficulty wrapping my head around picturing a local-first social network at scale where CRDT's p2p synchronise application state and data of all actors - people, apps, services - in the social graph between 1,000's of peers. So many options, what approach is even feasible?

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@cwebber

Meanwhile there are already hundred or more local-first projects and vendors who are independently building "the right way", in other words fragmenting into indvidual explorations with little cross-pollination and co-creation.

Why isn't there already an IETF local-first working group, or something similar?

Well.. someone should step up to the plate to do that, that's the wait now. Lotta work for volunteers and no funding beyond hard-tech. So this is up to vendors then, I guess.

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@serapath @cwebber

I agree. Or rather something is missing.

Right now all the entities that are founded to serve the FOSS community are like arcane and distant temples and mystic shrines that we devs must make pilgrimage to and pray for the right support.

These temples need to come closer to people, come down to earth where they fly aloof, and built bridges too.

This bridgebuilding is part of 2 themes of social coding movement: #SustainableFOSS and #FSDL, Free Software Development lifecycle.

@cwebber which is what I did for six hours too, fanning out into broad comms with many friendly people. That's what going #FediViral means. 😅

Or maybe we should call it #FediBloom 🤔

@cwebber

Calling @Chartodon

"Following" is about the poorest social networking interaction we could implement.

"Following" is also freaking cringe as a concept.

#ReimagineSocial? 🤔

I am sorry people. There are too many replies for me to respond to them all. Please check other branches of the discussion as your question may already be addressed there.

Many good insights brought up.

Have my mastodon closed now to not be distracted all the time :D

Btw, though many were boostworthy I didn't boost any toot, as it would only increase my (moral/ethical induced) workload to reply.

In that sense discussing on fedi is no fun. Most people aren't up to par with branches in the thread, and you become kind of content manager / entertainer that points out all the duplicates or repeats themself. 😅

Cool! 🚀

> #Nova is a #JavaScript (#ECMAScript) and #WebAssembly engine written in #Rust and following data-oriented design principles. It is currently nothing more than a fun experiment to learn and to prove the viability of such an engine, but may very well become something much more in the future.

https://trynova.dev/blog/why-build-a-js-engine

https://github.com/trynova/nova

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42168166

@hrefna running an amateur chemistry lab at home? I had to look up Natron.. I think I may have made it in a hi-school chemistry class while making soap. Is that your goal too?

As a kid I used to do my own fun but reckless chemistry experiments in a small room in our attic. Looking mostly to separate dangerous substances that explode or burn from common household materials. It is luck that my parents' house didn't go up in flames.

It is a pity that #Peertube has never been well integrated with #Microblogging. The primary way we become aware of a #video is when someone drops the URL in a toot, and we open it in a separate tab. We watch while not logged into the particular @peertube instance, thus not giving likes and having interesting discussions in the comments section.

Same is true for #Pixelfed and #Mobilizon etc.

While organically building my social graph for years, this stuff just doesn't reach my timeline mostly.

@Goffi @rakoo @hrefna

Ah yes, I know about #Ayllu and chatted with the dev. A very nice project. I did not look into the specifics of their XMPP implementation.

@Goffi @rakoo @hrefna

Oh, some opportunities for interop there then possibly? Or #ForgeFed over XMPP 😜

@rakoo @hrefna @Goffi

Gotta say that XMPP looked attractive for a much broader set of use cases than IM. Everything neatly specified, streamlined standards process, etc. Yet no one in the ecosystem going beyond IM it seemed. And for a broad adoption we also need to get people on a broad adoption of XML again. I wouldn't mind, but yea..

The XEP Process itself and how things are organized around it are maybe nice for inspiration and/or adoption in a new protocol effort.