Notices by just small circles 🕊 (smallcircles@social.coop), page 2

@evan @silverpill @mariusor

Yea, those are things that can be said in hindsight. Maybe there was also the implicit expectation that the standardization process would continue in similar fashion as with other W3C recommendations. Not accounting for the organic growth in the grassroots developer ecosystem with its very particular social dynamics and how that would severely complicate things over time by accidental complexity popping up all over the place.

@evan @silverpill @mariusor

I mean AS/AP are quite unique in this regard, in the way things came together from the bottom upwards when it comes to formal open standards formation. Unique evolutionary process needed too.

@evan @silverpill @mariusor

Sounds like a very good direction, and perhaps a ❤️ → 💕 direction there.

Every vote is a very opinionated one anyway, I guess, and depends on the expectations one has wrt to the protocol stack and the future of fediverse and social networking, and how it fulfills current (app) needs.

@evan

Marriage happiness levels as in..

- Making up, falling in love again
- From love to passion
- From passion to deep mutual affection
- Trending towards unhappiness

@silverpill @mariusor

I don't think you can say that. AS has more uses than with AP. I know of at least:

- Linked Data Event Streams
- DCAT-AP and DCAT-AP Feeds
- Linked Data Event Notifications

And as for #ActivityStreams relation to #ActivityPub I'd say - and it is the argument I make in the GH issue - that we have a vocabulary without good grammar and language rules. The AS social primitives are loose words, and you can construct any gibberish with them and try to make it popular slang.

Funding Open Source like public infrastructure

> To protect the digital foundation of essential government services, governments should invest in Open Source as public infrastructure and shift from consumption to contribution.

https://dri.es/funding-open-source-like-public-infrastructure

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44896433

#FOSS #FreeSoftware #OpenSource #Funding

📢 CALL TO FEDIVERSE

Tons of discussion about seeking alternatives to #Microsoft #Github, now that it has become part of MS's #AI division.

What made GH so popular, we should ask? Well, a ton of features and services on top of #git and a huge platform that makes exploring millions of #FOSS projects easy, are among the reasons I suppose.

The #ActivityPub @forgefed project funded by #NGI0 via @nlnet is creating open standards to provide the same, *native* to the #fediverse!

Yet they need HELP.

@silverpill @thisismissem @feps

Your last sentence is rendered in Mastodon web UI as:

> That would explain why shortcodes separated by "しゅいろ" are not rendered.

@aral @judell @jonudell

Not sure I understand. Are you against a plugin model, since that allows anyone, including bad actors to build plugins?

@aral @judell @jonudell

Yes, of course. I referred mainly to the model itself, rather than the way they give shape to it.

@aral @judell @jonudell

Btw, the event-based approach is also what attracted me to Datastar. One of the devs who works in gaming (hence focus on performance and intermediate UI) is using a bootstrap for both hobby and work that is event-sourced and has NATS and SQLite on the back-end by default.

More generally it is interesting to consider event-driven architecture e.g. for the collaborative social web i.e. fediverse.

I'm looking for simple tech to experiment with that a bit :)

@aral @judell @jonudell

Correction. *Worked* in gaming. Is now working for NATS, hence that tech choice.

(Aside: NATS recently wanted to dodge out of Linux Foundation and apply different licensing, but ultimately and under much public pressure, cancelled that trajectory again.)

@aral @judell @jonudell

I wonder what your thoughts are regarding the sustainability model of #Datastar they came up with.

- They founded a non-profit for custodianship.

- Their Datastar library is fully self-contained, considered feature-complete. Simple, concise code, available to anyone.

- This library contains a plugin mechanism. Any added feature is an extension.

- Anyone can build/offer plugins. Datastar has free + paid ones.

That is not an open core model exactly, isn't it? Musing 🤔

@aral @judell @jonudell

Agreed. It is refreshing to see that creating neat web functionality is still possible, without having to hack & slash a full Rube Goldberg machine into perpetual motion, just for the "Hello world" start of ones creative ideas :)

@judell hey, this is very interesting. The old VB UI in a new web jacket. I just tooted about the Rube Goldberg machine that is modern web dev, and in some ways I was more empowered at the start of my career in 1997 with Visual Basic.

https://social.coop/@smallcircles/114878688112419149

You might have a look if maybe there isn't a cool combination to make with #Datastar at https://data-star.dev which recently went v1.0

They continue where #HTMX stopped, in #hypermedia land, where they use #WebComponents for complex UI.

Oh, I just remembered I also wanted to ping you, @aral about this v1.0 release, regarding #SmallWeb and #Kitten. So here goes. The current website is running #Datastar 1.0.

https://data-star.dev/essays/v1_and_beyond

@judell

@linos @andypiper @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube

The issue I see with the Object Links FEP is that it boils down to: "If I know you adhere to the FEP, now I know to apply special logic to as:Link". May work well if we only do (micro)blogging. Is it a good general mechanism for a heterogeneous interoperable social web?

I am thinking more of: "Use existing open standards". Web annotations comes to mind. Specifically an annotation motivatedBy linking.

https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/#linking

@mariusor @rimu

This looks to be a fabulous candidate for an #ActivityPub #FEP 😃

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/standards/fep/54

@silverpill @steve @helge

Yes, that is true. It is essential that everyone remains independent, seeks collab in the areas of direct mutual benefit.

@silverpill @steve @helge

FYI I cross-referenced this toot on the forum:

https://discuss.coding.social/t/proposal-start-a-fellowship-to-explore-the-social-web/571/5