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wakest ⁂ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Thursday, 10-Jul-2025 09:23:44 JST wakest ⁂
@linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan this makes me think what happens when you Quote post (using the newly defined mastodon way) a video from @peertube or a book review from @bookwyrm, isn't this already a way of embeding into a different context?

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  silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Thursday, 10-Jul-2025 09:23:42 JST silverpill
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  @liaizon @linos @bonfire @pfefferle @smallcircles @evan @peertube @bookwyrm Mastodon can't do this but FEP-e232 implementations can embed multiple objects. I'll try to make two links here
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  silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Friday, 11-Jul-2025 05:26:06 JST silverpill
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  @linos Yes, it is related to quoting. On my site these links are displayed with previews: https://mitra.social/post/0197f1ac-4acd-bd2b-bcfa-c30ddbeb95a4
  They are styled as "twitter quotes", but can also be styled as "embeds" (and inserted into the body of the post, rather than attached to it).
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  André Menrath (linos@graz.social)'s status on Friday, 11-Jul-2025 05:26:07 JST André Menrath
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  @silverpill Linking is good, I wonder if this can be fine tuned, to say whether to embed that target object or not. I guess it's maybe kind of related to quoting. I'll have to check quote implementations.
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2025 13:21:59 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @strypey i don't think that's healthy or necessary. We have a lot of conversations going on because we have a lot to talk about. And people have different communications styles. Some people love a good old-fashioned forum flame war, and others want to coordinate 1:1 via private messages.
  
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  Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2025 13:22:01 JST Strypey
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  > I disagre that this is a disconnect, we worked hard to solicit the discussions
  It certainly sounds like you did. To be clear my use of "disconnect" was *not* an accusation of malpractice on anyone's part. I was noting a suboptimal outcome - people chiming in post-consultation instead of during - and trying to debug it. In the context of a larger, ongoing discussion about pan-fediverse dev;
  https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/against-fragmentation-unifying-dev-discussions-with-forum-federation/5402
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  Andy Piper (andypiper@macaw.social)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2025 13:22:02 JST Andy Piper
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  @strypey there was an extensive SocialHub thread, the FEP process, also yes it was mentioned on our blog and in other posts and chat spaces. Unfortunately not everyone who is now providing feedback saw it it in all those places - I disagre that this is a disconnect, we worked hard to solicit the discussions. @renchap @linos @smallcircles @silverpill @liaizon @bonfire @evan @peertube
  
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  Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2025 13:22:04 JST Strypey
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  > it would probably have been good to have this discussion when we asked for comments, now we are deep into implementation and did not get much feedback when asked for it
  That's a sign of a disconnect that needs addressing. Where did you ask? On dev watering holes (SH, FediDevs, etc), or just in a micro-post and maybe your own blog?
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  Renaud Chaput (renchap@oisaur.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2025 13:22:06 JST Renaud Chaput
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  @linos We discussed "partial quotes" when working on quote posts, and decided not to explore this because you could easily change the text of what you are quoting to make it misleading but still attributed to the original author. Also it would probably have been good to have this discussion when we asked for comments, now we are deep into implementation and did not get much feedback when asked for it :(
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  André Menrath (linos@graz.social)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2025 13:22:07 JST André Menrath
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  I wonder if Mastodon quotes aren't technically related more to embeds than "actual quotes". Cause what a Mastodon quote is doing is always referring to the whole quoted object (Note) without specifying where (and of course the consent, which is magnificent!). So maybe an embed could just be an extended Mastodon-quote where it is specified where it is in the content, e.g. via just using <embed> tags.
  "actual quotes": being able to quote parts of something, putting it into context (where in content) and being referring to the whole origin source.
  I see that we should continue this discussion on socialhub/the FEPs discussion places.
  
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  just small circles 🕊 (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2025 13:22:08 JST just small circles 🕊
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  The issue I see with the Object Links FEP is that it boils down to: "If I know you adhere to the FEP, now I know to apply special logic to as:Link". May work well if we only do (micro)blogging. Is it a good general mechanism for a heterogeneous interoperable social web?
  I am thinking more of: "Use existing open standards". Web annotations comes to mind. Specifically an annotation motivatedBy linking.
  https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/#linking
  
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  André Menrath (linos@graz.social)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Jul-2025 13:22:10 JST André Menrath
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  @andypiper As you wrote a FEP for quoting, I really wonder what you think: isn't it that linking, embedding and quoting have quite something in common, so shouldn't their implementations be derivatives from each other?
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jul-2025 02:35:55 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @strypey sometimes, I want to have an open conversation with everyone. Sometimes, I want to talk to people who are directly working on a problem.
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jul-2025 02:35:56 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @strypey I was replying to the idea of "unifying dev discussions with forum federation".
  
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  Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jul-2025 02:35:58 JST Strypey
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  I can't work out how this reply relates to the thread. I'm guessing it's a response to the SH thread, in which case probably best to argue your case there.
  Of course, if my vision pans out, there would be no arbitrary separation between "here" and "there", just a set of commonly-understood UX patterns that create distinct, federated spaces for;
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  > old-fashioned forum flame war, and others want to coordinate 1:1 via private messages
  ... and any other communication style folks use.
  
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  Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jul-2025 09:02:52 JST Evan Prodromou
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  @strypey OK. Good luck!
  
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  Strypey (strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Jul-2025 09:02:54 JST Strypey
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  > sometimes, I want to have an open conversation with everyone. Sometimes, I want to talk to people who are directly working on a problem
  This seems perfectly reasonable on the face of it. How does it relate to;
  > "unifying dev discussions with forum federation"
  Are you responding to the bit where I argued for public conversations as default? In case it's not clear (and I'm pretty sure I spelled this out), I'm not arguing against private conversations happening at all.
  
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