Notices by AP-AT-Bridge Group (activitypubblueskybridge@venera.social)

@shiri @informapirata @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews

Well, migrating followers (just followers) should really be a standard feature of ActivityPub then.
One that must be implemented by all the supposed AP compatible projects

Nobody is gonna buy the theoretical reach of all the same people, like real freedom to change fediverse provider.

cc @evan

@informapirata @luca it used to work with a different protocol, Friendica has been ActivityPub based longer than Mastodon has been alive.

Always remember that Mastodon is well established to be a poor neighbor in the AP community, not supporting the full spec and often implementing their own non-standard solutions.

@luca I understand your difficulties, but always remember that Friendica is compatible with ActivityPub BUT it works with a different protocol and its profiles are particular objects that contain a kind of unique key

@shiri

I didn't knew this thing that you can't migrate your follower from mastodon to friendica 😐

From mastodon to pleroma (and i think also misskey) it works.

cc @informapirata

@shiri @jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed

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...just the pics, but the interaction with contacts.)

PS:
I know:
...there are tools for exporting (beside the point)
...many people here even autodelete there posts (utterly different use-case)
...it's better than on most corporate sites (yes, but still just "rudimentary" flexibility, at least on #Mastodon.)
...that #Firefish(?) (still?) supports own-post migration (but that was no choice when I joined)

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@HistoPol @jamie @chronohart @luca @PCOWandre @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews @snarfed @shiri Proposal 1:
Yes, but the "like", "share" and "answer" buttons are hidden or disabled for Babsi; furthermore Freddie's fediverse address ("@freddiemiller@friendica.xyz") is hidden so that it is not easy for Babsi to mention him. Perhaps it is even possible to prevent textwise selection and copying. But even if copy & paste would be possible, as @HistoPol mentioned, no trail would be left. ->

@shiri
I did this using a Tool migrating from the (now) #DeadBirdSite.

Still, not being able to migrate the convos is NOT an "alternative", but an *escape hatch*."

One example, that many will know:

Imagine, that you invented 1000's of hours uploading and curating pics and shorts on your #Instagram account.
For whatever reason, you cannot maintain your account. Starting a new one, you lose all your work (it's not just...

@jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed

@HistoPol @jamie @chronohart @luca @PCOWandre @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews @snarfed @shiri
Of course, you are right regarding the issue of boosting content. So I would like to intervene a little bit earlier.
If, e.g., Babsi on Bluesky follows Mary on Mastodon, Mary already has given her consent to interact with BS via the Bridge. But now Freddie, another fediverse user who has NOT given this consent, answers to Mary's post. Question: Can Babsi read Freddie's comments?
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@HistoPol @jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed The alternative is making a new account and re-adding the same people.

I had to do that when I moved from Mastodon to Friendica.

@shiri

Highly interesting.

I think this sentence is missing the alternative method to #AccountMigration:

"The way out is because you can leave without severing connections."

@jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed

@scott

Copy and paste is possible, anywhere, always, yes.

Difference: copy & paste will not leave a trail to your original post, a link will.

#Mastodon was supposed to have quote posts last summer. Then @Gargron sent a lengthy explanation that resources had to be recomitted to fix backend features. Since, I haven't heard anyhting new regarding this, but I have not searched for it either.

@HistoPol @jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed missed this earlier, but the way out isn't usually account migration, that's a very specific and non-standard function that Mastodon implemented (Mastodon has a bad habit of only half-implementing ActivityPub and then rolling out it's own features and forcing everyone else to comply with their non-standard nonsense... they're kinda the internet explorer of the fediverse)

The way out is because you can leave without severing connections. I'm not saying you won't have to re-add people... but that you still have the option to re-add people. If someone deletes their Twitter account... they lose access to everyone that's only on Twitter. If Bluesky is bridged (and no ifs ands or buts, open bridges will exist despite people's complaints) and they delete their Bluesky account... they'd still have access to those same people.

The whole reason Facebook sticks around and maintains enormous power is because so many people don't have the option to leave without making themselves second class citizens in their communities. (Literally the only reason I have a facebook account... if I could access them over fedi, I'd delete my account in a heartbeat)

@scott I don't think so. Other Hubzilla or Friendica instances that receive a Hubzilla post over AP can still boost it over there, right?

The reply control from your instance won't stop Mastodon users from replying either (though it will stop you seeing those replies, and to some extent will reduce the visibility of replies).

I think it all comes down to what's outlined in https://foggyminds.com/display/c6ef095f-1165-ce77-d6de-73f618365846 (saw that post a little after my reply above) and open federated social media in general being built around own-access-choices rather than data control, outside of posting modes with very limited reach which *should* be implemented with more privacy than they are.

Because if the user is primarily associating with the Bluesky community (ie. someone who left Bluesky for Friendica) that may be the first place they find you. They may also not be tech savvy enough (or just not care) to realize it's an AP account they can bypass the bridge to reach.

It was also to highlight that the moment Bluesky starts federating... they stop being the only ones on that protocol, many many Friendica instances are ready to immediately federate with Bluesky as soon as that happens.

Once the plugin updates, I know I'm one of them. There's a number of people who chose Bluesky over anything else that I'd look up and add to my follow list.

After that, some time later there will be AT only servers cropping up, basically AT's equivalent of Mastodon will appear. It'll eventually likely turn into it's own ecosystem with some people preferring one over the other for this or that feature (like some people may prefer the fact that AT has a proper verified user system as opposed to AP... which just has a weak hacked version)

@HistoPol @jamie @oliphant @luca @PCOWandre @m @chronohart @snarfed

@shiri

"...have to shut down the whole network to stop you.

Bridges make it even harder for them because then you can also jump between platforms and if they can't shut down your server they'd have to shut down every single bridge..."

I begin to like #bridges. #FascismProof and #AutocracyProof, so-to-speak :)

@jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed

@scott

" But you would need to choose a platform with better permissions and moderation tools.

For example, you would want to control who can comment on your posts and be able to delete comments that are toxic. "

Very true.
However, I have a very strick block policy and in 98% of cases, the threat of using it, helps.
I always wonder a little bit what happens, after I block s.o.
My understanding is, that his/her posts remain, but we cannot see each others posts anymore (counter-block, mostly)

@agrinova

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I guess I can answer this question now: once s.o. quotes or boosts your content (= new post) you lose control of your content and cannot prevent it from being shared.

I'd say, unless you limited the post to your followers, however if one of your followers were on the #Friendica or #Hubzilla platform, they'd still be able to quote your post and then you'd still lose control,...

@jamie @chronohart @luca @PCOWandre @activitypubblueskybridge @fedidevs @fediversenews @snarfed