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Jamie Booth (jamie@boothcomputing.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 09:12:35 JST Jamie Booth
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I'm wondering if that means there may be a functional difference between blocking the bridge vs adding the #nobridge tag?

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  An excellent question.
  https://boothcomputing.social/@jamie/111932466479231180
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  HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 04:29:25 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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  #Bluesky #Block
  Very concerning, indeed.
  How would I go about this?
  Would I need to block any and all friendica and hubzillla instances?
  "you should be concerned of the thousands of instances like mine (Friendica and Hubzilla) ...boost your post, then it'll be copied over to Bluesky with no actual connection to you in the network, so your blocks will not apply and you will have no control over the post afterwards."
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 04:29:26 JST shiri
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  @jamie @snarfed.org @oliphant @HistoPol @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed a boost in this case will operate the same as with normal ActivityPub, in which case the block should remain honored. It'll be the exact same as someone boosting your post and whether someone you blocked on AP can see that post.
  I'll note however that the bridge should not be a concern if you're worried about that, instead you should be concerned of the thousands of instances like mine (Friendica and Hubzilla) that will natively support Bluesky. If we boost your post, then it'll be copied over to Bluesky with no actual connection to you in the network, so your blocks will not apply and you will have no control over the post afterwards.
  
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  "...Friendica and Hubzilla) that will natively support Bluesky. If we boost your post, then it'll be copied over to Bluesky with no actual connection to you in the network,..."
  Besser another question, as so far, I had been in favor of #Friendica;
  Does this mean if I were 2 use these 2 platforms, I could never prevent my posts / content from being seen on #Elmo's PayPal platform?!?
  Or is there really no difference?
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  Jamie Booth (jamie@boothcomputing.social)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 05:11:48 JST Jamie Booth
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  From reading some of the other posts and his answer to my earlier post, it seems he is accepting AP blocks in the software. So, both the tag and a block (domain or user) should work the same way.
  
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  Evan Minto (vamptvo@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 05:15:55 JST Evan Minto
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  @HistoPol @shiri Very concerning indeed. I would suggest logging off and going outside if this is a concern for you.
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 05:50:59 JST shiri
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  @HistoPol @jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed The gist is that if you want to prevent your posts from being shared outside of screenshots and quote-posts (where the contents of the post are just copied) the only option is to join a whitelist-only server.
  These are servers that federate only with explicitly approved servers, ie. if someone tries to connect from any instance not on that list they're blocked by default.
  That's kinda the root of the argument here where a great many people have a false assumption that the fediverse is about control of your data when it is quite the opposite. It's like trying to protect your art from being used by others... by marking it Creative Commons.
  The entire design of all federated systems is around open sharing, you can only get control over how your posts spread in a closed system with little or no federation.
  As far as whether or not you use those platforms, my example was regardless of whether you're a user.
  My server federates across multiple different protocols, if I boost your post then your post is probably being made available to multiple different networks automatically.
  The protections and control involved in federated networks is not in how your data is shared, but in how your access is controlled.
  In the fediverse you don't have to worry about a bad admin blocking your access to everyone you know, you can freely move accounts between instances. If you piss of Elon for instance, you're cut off from Twitter and everyone on it... full stop... but if you piss off your instance admin, you just move instances and can still connect with everyone.
  It's also control over your experience in that you're not relying purely on what their algorithms think you should see. If the instance your on has an algorithm set up that you don't like, then you can move instances to one that has the algorithm you like.
  You also have protections against enshittification (the process by which those other networks will draw you in with great features, and then once you're locked in slowly shut down or degrade those features). If features that are important to you start getting shut down on your server... you can move to one that keeps them. If a platform developer does it, another developer can fork the project to keep those features alive.
  You also have choice in terms of clients and experiences. You're using Mastodon and I'm on Friendica (I know your instance type because Friendica shows me a little icon beside posts). I vastly prefer the Friendica experience, and I have the choice to use that. And I can use that without forcing you to use the same interface.
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  I think I owe you a quick #INTRO, as I have not been in contact with you before, so you might better understand my concerns.
  I am a political commentator, as well as an activist. This is why I cannot remain silent:
  This is a global super-election year. #Democracy is up for grabs in about 50 countries.1)--This is how the billionaires and the #autocrats like #Putin and #Xi see it, or how #YoelRoth...
  
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  ...former head of #Twitter's Trust and Security department, might have phrased it. 2)
  We have all seen what has happened to #Twitter. What many still don't know, is why he is supposedly burning a lot of money with the purchase: 3).
  #Musk and his #TESCREAL 4) adherents from Silicon Valley are vying for world domination. #Elmo already is the world's most...
  
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  ...influential fascist, just considering his market power regarding #SpaceX 5) and the "voice" he has as #X owner. By turning off his #StarLink service in #Crimea, he has successfully prevented potentially victorious strikes by #Ukraine against #Russia's invasion force.
  But they are not the only #billionaire group vying for even more power. The most...
  
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  ... successful has so far been the #FederalistSociety in conjunction with the #CenterForNationalPolicy (#CNP), among whose major feats are putting #Trump in the #WhiteHouse and hijacking the #US #SupremeCourt. 6)
  #Autocrats like #Putin and #Xi trying to gain influence through military and economic means are the other group of people trying to destroy #Western #democracies by disseminating...
  
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  ... #disinformation and carrying out #CyberWarfare.
  And, last but not least, another, even more dangerous #PayPal of #Elmo, #PeterThiel, is enabling governments around the globe to get rid of opponents. The dangerous spyware he owns, #Palantir, is being used e.g. to hunt down investigative journalists in #SouthAmerica 8) and elsewhere 7) and for #discriminatory...
  
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  ...#PredictivePolicing. 8)
  *2024 certainly isn't the year to remain silent:*
  #Poland lost and regained its democracy twice already.
  The *US* might lose it to a ruthless autocrat in 2025.
  And #Ukraine is fighting tooth and nail for its #democracy.
  //
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  1) https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/12/2024-elections-around-world/
  2) https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/111086529042597457
  3) https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110079043525873237
  4) https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110565890923413442
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    Hi @adriandaub, (1/n) #TESCREAL--the dangerous billionaires' philosophy I listened to your fascinating interview (1) with #ThomasZimmer. (1) Also, I had a brief look at your #Wikipedia entry. When I read in the shownotes that this was about your book, which I haven't read, "What Tech Calls Thinking" is a lively dismantling of the ideas that form the intellectual.. (1) Is This Democracy: 25. The Ideology of #SiliconValley vs the Idea of Democracy – with #AdrianDaub https://i.sonnet.fm/RQFbqC2AHnRZ6jWY6
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  ...5) https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110895646106566535
  6) https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110682464056461528
  7) https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110916599773179434, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353352542_Palantir%27s_Surveillance_Empire_A_Story_of_American_Policing_Patriotism_and_Profit,
  8) https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/journalism-latin-america-under-attack-spyware
  9) https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd
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    @liquor_american@universeodon.com Lol, congrats, I was waiting for someone to raise this point. Yes, you are right. They are *not* the brightest tech kids on the block. There are quite some more. One of the more strategic luminaries is #PeterThiel, #Elmo's old PayPal. #PsyOps: https://toad.social/@jimstewartson/109468496999674966 #Bio: https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110021993291888143 #PizzaGate, #QAnon: https://toad.social/@jimstewartson/109469232244842653 #AI General: https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110323739545391429 And not to forget: The hugely successful spyware, #Palantir. @timnitGebru@dair-community.social @nathans@infosec.exchange
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  Very interesting, how is it possible that you boosted my #Intro thread, even though I have #NoBridge in my bio and am not even a member of your group?!?
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  Thanks for the explanation, Shiri.
  I pay attention to such thinks, but even with hindsight, I do not see such a group reference.
  On #Mastodon, groups are also possible, but I forgot how to use them, as I used them so little.
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 08:02:06 JST shiri
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  It's because that's not the bridge, that's a Friendica group about working on such bridges. Friendica supports group accounts that you post to by tagging the group.
  Group accounts work by boosting every post that tags them.
  The initial post was made to the Fediverse News, Fediverse Developer Discussion, and AP-AT-Bridge Group groups, which is why you'll see them boosting almost every comment throughout this entire thread. Anyone who didn't explicitly removed them from the references is posting to that group as well.
  The bridge will not appear as a single account. The bridge will translate accounts through it, so if I made an account named Shiri on the official bluesky server, then followed you through the bridge you would see a follow request from shiri:bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy (name formatting probably will differ slightly), likewise that would be the name that would appear for everything I do through the bridge with your account.
  If you wanted to block my specific bluesky account from accessing your account, you could block it as normal and it'll work just the same as it always has.
  With # NoBridge in your bio, when I go to look up your account through the bridge I either won't get anything at all as if you don't exist or it'll tell me that you've opted out of the bridge.
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  " But you would need to choose a platform with better permissions and moderation tools.
  For example, you would want to control who can comment on your posts and be able to delete comments that are toxic. "
  Very true.
  However, I have a very strick block policy and in 98% of cases, the threat of using it, helps.
  I always wonder a little bit what happens, after I block s.o.
  My understanding is, that his/her posts remain, but we cannot see each others posts anymore (counter-block, mostly)
  
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  I am a political commentator, as well as an activist. This is why I cannot remain silent:
  For someone like you, you would probably want to post publicly, to as many platforms and protocols as you can, so you reach a wider audience. But you would need to choose a platform with better permissions and moderation tools.
  
  For example, you would want to control who can comment on your posts and be able to delete comments that are toxic. Mastodon does not have this capability, but most platforms that have threaded conversations give you that ability.
  
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  #groups
  "Not yet. They're working on it. "
  Oh, maybe one of these issues that were delayed after all last summer. Small wonder I never got it really working, LOL.
  "And everything...working groups/forums now is afraid that Mastodon will re-invent the wheel in a way that's the most incompatible possible to what already exists on more than half a dozen Fediverse projects."
  That sucks. Why would @Gargron waste limited resources on (I guess?) FOSS that could be used?
  
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  I pay attention to such thinks, but even with hindsight, I do not see such a group reference.
  That's because Mastodon doesn't tell you that
  - it's a group (because Mastodon doesn't understand the concept of groups)
  - it's on Friendica (because Mastodon does its best to shield the existence of non-Mastodon Fediverse projects from its users)
  On #Mastodon, groups are also possible, but I forgot how to use them, as I used them so little.
  Not yet. They're working on it. And everything else that has working groups/forums now is afraid that Mastodon will re-invent the wheel in a way that's the most incompatible possible to what already exists on more than half a dozen Fediverse projects.
  
  What you mean is probably Guppe, but that isn't built into Mastodon and a far cry from what's possible on Friendica.
  
  CC: @Jamie Booth @Oli @Ryan Barrett @Luca Sironi @Andre @chronohart
  
  #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica #Groups
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  Jamie Booth (jamie@boothcomputing.social)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 08:40:54 JST Jamie Booth
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  Based on Ryan's response and some of the other descriptions, it sounds like the bridge software knows how to handle AP block requests. So, they should be the same.
  
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  @HistoPol It is my understanding that boosts won't be passed on if you block the bridge or add #nobridge to your profile because the boost still has you as the original author. This would be true no matter which software a person is using.
  
  But if someone quotes you (on any platform, not just the ones mentioned) or takes a screenshot of your post, that would not be blocked. And people can do that now without the bridge. Windows comes with software that allows people to take screenshots. So do phones. And most other fediverse platforms other than Mastodon allow quoting.
  
  The fediverse has over 100 different projects and multiple protocols already connected to it. If you are concerned that people will quote you or boost you on other networks, you might want to consider a whitelist servers where you only allow approved Mastodon instances.
  
  With or without the Bluesky bridge, you are about to be outnumbered by Threads, WordPress, and other projects coming online. ActivityPub is an open network, after all. Always has been.
  
  But the nice thing is that you can control who you connect with by blocking or whitelisting. In your case, being on a whitelist server would probably address your concerns.
  
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  Unless it was recently added, groups are not a thing on Mastodon itself. I do know in the Mastodon side of things a lot of people use Guppe: a.gup.pe/ for groups, which work in the same fashion as Friendica groups, just with no moderator/admin.
  In the case of the groups, all 3 have it in their description that they're groups.
  Because Mastodon has no support for groups there's no indicator anywhere other than the description that an account is a group account.
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  For journalists the value of the fediverse is in not getting silenced. It's here to amplify voices in that fashion so that nobody can be silenced, for good or ill (ie. you can block Nazi instances so you don't see them, but you can't stop a Nazi instance from existing or sharing content).
  If you operate in a "I control where my message goes" manner, then you're operating in a manner that can be very easily silenced. It drastically limits your reach.
  It's one of those fundamental things where you can't have it both ways, control over your reach is inherently limiting to your reach.
  And when talking about the fight against fascism, uncontrolled spread is very much preferable as they can't silence you. If you are careful in your security you can post from an account until the fascists shut down your server... but the post will still be out there floating around. And you can just as easily stay on the network by starting a new account every time they shut down a server... they'd have to shut down the whole network to stop you.
  Bridges make it even harder for them because then you can also jump between platforms and if they can't shut down your server they'd have to shut down every single bridge... which new ones can be started with trivial ease (a lot less work and resources than starting up normal instances).
  There's nothing they can do to you over a bridge that they can't already do without a bridge, in fact they have less control through a bridge. But you on the other hand have your voice amplified even further.
  Additionally the whole fediverse gets stronger as it encourages development on both sides, if one starts lagging behind in features/quality it permits users to move without "leaving" the fediverse.
  If Bluesky starts pumping hardcore propaganda and silencing leftist voices... then the bridge offers a light, showing the abuse and giving them a way out that doesn't involve starting over from scratch.
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  "If you operate in a "I control where my message goes" manner, then you're operating in a manner that can be very easily silenced. It drastically limits your reach.
  It's one of those fundamental things where you can't have it both ways, control over your reach is inherently limiting to your reach."
  Excellent point, Shiri. Taken.
  However, please...
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  @shiri
  "...have to shut down the whole network to stop you.
  Bridges make it even harder for them because then you can also jump between platforms and if they can't shut down your server they'd have to shut down every single bridge..."
  I begin to like #bridges. #FascismProof and #AutocracyProof, so-to-speak :)
  @jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed
  
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  HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:01:24 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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  "If Bluesky starts pumping hardcore propaganda and silencing leftist voices... then the bridge offers a light, showing the abuse and giving them a way out that doesn't involve starting over from scratch."
  How so? I have not read that you can migrate you #BlueSky account to another #Fediverse platform, say, #friendica
  However, for me the single biggest #exit barrier is, that I...
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  HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:01:39 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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  ...would lose my over 40k posts again, and *a lot* of them are important to me, as I regularly reference back to older posts. Furthermore, convos/discussions, such as these, are of value and are also worth keeping for future reference. They'd be lost, too, by moving. AFAIC, there is only one #Fediverse platform that permits migrating posts, but only internally, too.
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  HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:11:55 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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  @scott
  I really do like the concept of *#ThreadedConversations*.
  Why is #Mastodon not using this code, too, @Gargron? I know many people, from artists to #LGTBTQIA+ to #BIPOC and political dissidents who feel attacked but would like to speak out. This tool / code would empower them to do this but kick out the #haters.
  
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  Scott M. Stolz (scott@authorship.studio)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 09:11:58 JST Scott M. Stolz
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  @HistoPol On platforms like Hubzilla and Streams (and most other platforms that support threaded conversations), you have more control.
  
  Basically, a threaded conversation is a container, and the person who started the conversation controls what goes into that container. If you, as the person who started the conversation, don't like what someone said, you can delete their post. Since it is part of your container, a delete notification goes out to everyone participating on your thread and the post gets deleted for them too. The person who originally posted it would still have their copy, and their followers might still see it, but it would no longer be distributed via your thread to people following the thread. You can also prevent someone from commenting on your post at all, which in that case, their comment gets rejected and is not distributed to anyone.
  
  It works similar with forum topics, except the forum owns the initial conversation. The administrator or moderator can delete posts and restrict commenting.
  
  The threaded conversation model gives you more control over the conversation than non-threaded platforms based on pre-X Twitter.
  
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  @HistoPol
  I begin to like #bridges. #FascismProof and #AutocracyProof, so-to-speak :)
  That is one of the main reasons the fediverse exists and and is structured the way it is.
  
  There still are some concerns about trolls commenting on your posts, but that can be dealt with using the proper tools.
  
  “The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.” -- John Gilmore
  This applies to the fediverse as well.
  
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  @HistoPol
  That sucks. Why would @Gargron waste limited resources on (I guess?) FOSS that could be used?
  I don't necessarily think that Mastodon development intentionally aims for as little compatibility with the rest of the Fediverse as possible. It might just as well be a case of refusing to acknowledge that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon or a case of not even knowing what the rest of the Fediverse can do.
  
  However: Mastodon is notorious for ignoring a) standards and b) stuff that already exists. Mastodon does not fulfill the ActivityPub standard to a tee. It's just as close to it as it has to be and diverts from it wherever it feels like it.
  
  One example is the sensitive flag for images. There's something for this in the official ActivityPub standard. And yet, when Mastodon adopted ActivityPub, it decided to not only have its own home-brew, non-standard, undocumented sensitive flag but to also not support the ActivityPub standard flag at all.
  
  AFAIK, (streams) lets you flag images in your file space as sensitive because Hubzilla does. However, when you flag an image as sensitive, and you embed it into a post that also goes to Mastodon, then Mastodon will treat this image as unflagged. (streams) jumps through a hoop now and puts Mastodon's non-standard sensitive flag on all images in posts that have the hashtag #nsfw and/or #sensitive.
  
  Also, it's strange how long it takes Mastodon to implement quote-posts or groups. Both things that have been around since 2010 when Friendica was launched. There's a whole bunch of Fediverse projects that have groups/forums, for example, the various Reddit replacements. Misskey and all its forks have quote-posts. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have always had both.
  
  So, given Mastodon's track record, chances are that Mastodon's implementation of groups becomes incompatible both with how Lemmy communities and /kbin magazines work and with how Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have groups/forums implemented.
  
  #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Groups
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 16:47:16 JST shiri
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  @HistoPol @jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed missed this earlier, but the way out isn't usually account migration, that's a very specific and non-standard function that Mastodon implemented (Mastodon has a bad habit of only half-implementing ActivityPub and then rolling out it's own features and forcing everyone else to comply with their non-standard nonsense... they're kinda the internet explorer of the fediverse)
  The way out is because you can leave without severing connections. I'm not saying you won't have to re-add people... but that you still have the option to re-add people. If someone deletes their Twitter account... they lose access to everyone that's only on Twitter. If Bluesky is bridged (and no ifs ands or buts, open bridges will exist despite people's complaints) and they delete their Bluesky account... they'd still have access to those same people.
  The whole reason Facebook sticks around and maintains enormous power is because so many people don't have the option to leave without making themselves second class citizens in their communities. (Literally the only reason I have a facebook account... if I could access them over fedi, I'd delete my account in a heartbeat)
  
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  @shiri
  Highly interesting.
  I think this sentence is missing the alternative method to #AccountMigration:
  "The way out is because you can leave without severing connections."
  @jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 19:02:54 JST shiri
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  @HistoPol @jamie @oliphant @snarfed.org @luca @PCOWandre @chronohart @snarfed The alternative is making a new account and re-adding the same people.
  I had to do that when I moved from Mastodon to Friendica.
  
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  HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 19:06:13 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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  I did this using a Tool migrating from the (now) #DeadBirdSite.
  Still, not being able to migrate the convos is NOT an "alternative", but an *escape hatch*."
  One example, that many will know:
  Imagine, that you invented 1000's of hours uploading and curating pics and shorts on your #Instagram account.
  For whatever reason, you cannot maintain your account. Starting a new one, you lose all your work (it's not just...
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  (2/2)
  ...just the pics, but the interaction with contacts.)
  PS:
  I know:
  ...there are tools for exporting (beside the point)
  ...many people here even autodelete there posts (utterly different use-case)
  ...it's better than on most corporate sites (yes, but still just "rudimentary" flexibility, at least on #Mastodon.)
  ...that #Firefish(?) (still?) supports own-post migration (but that was no choice when I joined)
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 19:31:22 JST shiri
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  Like I said before, all of that is non-standard functions that the vast majority of the fediverse doesn't even support.
  I think you might be confusing ease and possibility. Few people even when moving instances within the fediverse are going to have that option (save for those moving between two instances of the same platform).
  It's not whether there's some convenient tool to move your posts or other data.
  It's about whether after the move you can still get the same updates and talk to the same people.
  Think of it in terms of the oldest surviving federated network: changing email accounts.
  Before SMTP (the federated email protocol), you had to have accounts on every server with people you wanted to talk to. After you only had to have one account, but could readily move about the network to other servers if you got fed up with your server's bullshit or another offered better services.
  (And for the record, public bridges with no opt-out methods exist for email as well)
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  Luca Sironi (luca@sironi.tk)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 19:40:51 JST Luca Sironi
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  - shiri
  I didn't knew this thing that you can't migrate your follower from mastodon to friendica 😐
  From mastodon to pleroma (and i think also misskey) it works.
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  @luca @informapirata Some platforms have specifically gone out of their way to support Mastodon's non-standard functions... that doesn't make them standard or a platform as deficient for not supporting them.
  A lot of that has to do with the relationship between them, where many of those are newer platforms inspired by and emulating Mastodon. Friendica on the other hand is one of the old school platforms that looooong predates Mastodon, so supporting any of their non-standard stuff is a monumental task (it's easy to support something when you're starting from scratch)
  
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  shiri (shiri@foggyminds.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 20:00:35 JST shiri
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  @informapirata @luca it used to work with a different protocol, Friendica has been ActivityPub based longer than Mastodon has been alive.
  Always remember that Mastodon is well established to be a poor neighbor in the AP community, not supporting the full spec and often implementing their own non-standard solutions.
  
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  informapirata ⁂ :privacypride: (informapirata@mastodon.uno)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 20:00:36 JST informapirata ⁂ :privacypride:
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  - shiri
  @luca I understand your difficulties, but always remember that Friendica is compatible with ActivityPub BUT it works with a different protocol and its profiles are particular objects that contain a kind of unique key
  @shiri
  
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  Luca Sironi (luca@sironi.tk)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 20:00:41 JST Luca Sironi
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  Well, migrating followers (just followers) should really be a standard feature of ActivityPub then.
  One that must be implemented by all the supposed AP compatible projects
  Nobody is gonna buy the theoretical reach of all the same people, like real freedom to change fediverse provider.
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  @shiri I'm actually pretty sure Friendica put up Activitypub a few months later than mastodon, but otherwise I agree with what you say.
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  @luca In reality, when it comes to migrations, Friendica does much more than any other ActivityPub-compatible platform, such as importing all the messages and contents of the old profile...
  Friendica cannot be responsible for Mastodon's flaws 🤷🏽♂️
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