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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 22-Jun-2025 03:35:33 JST Jupiter Rowland
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@craignicol Redundancy. Resilience against losing the server that you're on by being on another server simultaneously.

Also, just because you can spread your identity across multiple servers and even server types, doesn't mean you can only have one identity.

Look at me, for example:
- I have @Jupiter Rowland on the Hubzilla hubs hub.netzgemeinde.eu and hub.hubzilla.de.
- I have my "in-world sister's" channel @Juno Rowland on the same two Hubzilla hubs. It's still a separate and fully independent identity, and I could clone either of them to other Hubzilla hubs independently from one another. Like, I could clone @Jupiter Rowland to hub.hubzilla.hu and @Juno Rowland to klacker.org or whatever.
- I have my in-world image-posting channel @Jupiter Rowland's (streams) outlet on the (streams) servers streams.elsmussols.net and nomad.fedi-verse.hu.
- I have my Fediverse meme channel @Jupiter's Fedi-Memes on (streams) on the (streams) server streams.elsmussols.net; I haven't cloned it yet.
- In addition, I also have my non-nomadic WriteFreely blog @Aus Hypergrid und Umgebung and my non-nomadic Lemmy account @Jupiter Rowland.
That's six fully separate, fully independent Fediverse identities, even though Mastodon and most of the rest of the Fediverse (anything that doesn't understand nomadic identity) perceive them as nine identities. And as you can see, what you may have taken for utter science-fiction two minutes ago is being daily driven in the Fediverse right now. And it has been for well over a decade, for longer than Mastodon has been around.

Why have I cloned my identities? For the very reason that nomadic identity was invented in the first place: redundancy. Safety. Always having a live backup. Resilience against servers shutting down or malfunctioning. It was invented because its inventor, the creator and then-still-maintainer of Friendica, kept seeing Friendica users lose everything whenever a Friendica node disappeared. And he understood that the only way to really make an identity resilient against server shutdown is for it to reside on at least two servers simultaneously.

If glasgow.social goes belly-up unexpectedly, you lose everything. Potentially forever. Good luck starting over from scratch.

If hub.netzgemeinde.eu goes belly-up, I lose nothing because I still have the identical clones, live, hot, bidirectional backups, on hub.hubzilla.de.

Tell you what: A while ago, hub.netzgemeinde.eu did go belly-up. The queue worker was so overloaded that the hub was bogged down. Nothing went in, nothing went out. Without a clone, I would have been fscked.

Luckily, I had my clone. I logged into hub.hubzilla.de and used my clone to a) do what I'd normally do on hub.netzgemeinde.eu and, especially, b) alert the admin who was on vacation. He and the Hubzilla lead developer ssh'd onto the server and fixed the issue. This might never have happened, hadn't I had that clone on another server.

So you could:
- make a Crohn-related identity and clone it or not
- make a Doctor Who fandom identity and clone it or not
- make an activist identity and clone it or not
- make a Web development-related identity and clone it or not
Oh, by the way: The aforementioned six identites may or may not be all of my Fediverse identities. I may or may not have more than these. You wouldn't be able to tell unless I told you.

CC: @Johannes Ernst @Tim Chambers @Ben Pate 🤘🏻

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #NomadicIdentity
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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 03:37:33 JST Jupiter Rowland
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- Ben Pate 🤘🏻
@Ben Pate 🤘🏻 2) None of the solutions feel very approachable. Documentation is thin, and examples are hard to find. Beyond the text of FEP-ef61, where should I go if I want to start building support into my own apps?
There isn't much documentation because everything is still very new and also due to the nature of what has already been made with nomadic identity via ActivityPub on which base and which level of stability.

Yes, there's Forte. Yes, it uses ActivityPub for nomadic identity. Yes, it has a stable release.

But: It has never been an ActivityPub project that went nomadic.

It evolved from the Red Matrix (2012)
- based on Zot
- channel system; identity independent of account/login
- nomadic
- some non-nomadic protocols available optionally, off by default
to Hubzilla (2015)
- based on Zot, evolved to Zot6
- channel system; identity independent of account/login
- nomadic
- some non-nomadic protocols available optionally, off by default
- ActivityPub added long after the fact, again, optional and off by default
to some intermediate stuff (2018-2021)
- based on Zot6, Zot8 or (would be Zot11, but it's incompatible with Zot6, so it's renamed) Nomad
- channel system; identity independent of account/login
- nomadic
- fewer non-nomadic protocols available optionally, off by default, if any
- ActivityPub added into the core eventually
to the streams repository (2021)
- based on Nomad
- channel system; identity independent of account/login
- nomadic
- ActivityPub in the core as a secondary protocol, optional, on by default
- all other non-nomadic protocols removed
to Forte (2024)
- based on ActivityPub, supports nothing else
- channel system; identity independent of account/login
- nomadic
So Forte looks back at 13 years of multiple identities per account and nomadic identity. When Hubzilla became the first Fediverse server application to adopt ActivityPub in 2017, the family had already had nomadic identity for over four years.

Implementing nomadic identity via ActivityPub meant switching the whole thing away from a protocol that was built around nomadic identity and over to ActivityPub while keeping nomadic identity.

What you seem interested in is what @silverpill is working on on Mitra. And that's to take a non-nomadic, ActivityPub-only, account-equals-identity server application and make it nomadic.

AFAIK, this is still highly experimental. It's done in a development branch of Mitra. I know that Mitra understands Forte's nomadic identity, but I can't even say whether that dev branch of Mitra is actually nomadic, as in whether you can clone an identity on one server running the dev branch to another such server and have them sync back and forth.

If anything, this would be what ActivityPub devs looking at nomadic identity should check out. "Would" because it's still in such an early and experimental state that I think there isn't anything worth looking at yet other than how to make your software recognise Forte's nomadic channels as nomadic.

By the way, silverpill is publishing FEP after FEP in which Forte or Mitra, (streams) and Forte are mentioned as implementations at most. So he doesn't just code stuff together, he also tries hard to make it "official" by casting it into FEPs. So I guess he's still figuring out the basics and documenting them rather than getting actual nomadicity to work out of thin air.

You've basically got two options if you want to turn non-nomadic, ActivityPub-only, account-equals-identity software into something that's every bit as nomadic as Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte.

Either you wait until silverpill rolls out the first stable release of Mitra with full-blown nomadic identity of its own. And then there should be quite some documentation on how it was done.

Or you make an experimental nomadic branch of Bandwagon and join silverpill and @Mike Macgirvin ?️ in getting nomadic identity via ActivityPub going.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mitra #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity
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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Friday, 20-Jun-2025 03:06:26 JST Jupiter Rowland
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@RockManJoe Hahaha.

Tell you what: @Mike Macgirvin ?️ has decentralised Fediverse identities as early as 2011. He invented nomadic identity (https://joinfediverse.wiki/Nomadic_identity, https://opennomad.net/page/nomad/home) almost five years before Mastodon was made. And he first implemented it in 2012 on what would later become Hubzilla (https://hubzilla.org, https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla). That was still almost four years before Mastodon was launched.

Oh, and by the way: Hubzilla is very much part of the Fediverse. It is very much (albeit optionally) connected to and federated with Mastodon. I am replying to you right now from a Hubzilla channel which simultaneously and identically resides on two independent servers.

Nomadic identity is reality now. It is being daily-driven right now, and it has been daily-driven since long before Solid was even announced.

Solid is nothing but Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte (both are descendants of Hubzilla by Hubzilla's creator) as ordered from wish.com. A cheap and shoddy knock-off.

CC: @Johannes Ernst @Tim Chambers @Ben Pate 🤘🏻

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity
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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 18-May-2025 07:23:07 JST Jupiter Rowland
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- Week in Fediverse
@Week in Fediverse :fediverse_light: Also, the 25.5.14 "15th anniversary" releases of the streams repository and Forte.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Streams #(streams) #Forte #WeekInFediverse

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 05:22:57 JST Jupiter Rowland

Happy birthday Mike, and happy anniversary Mistpark and your whole family!

Best wishes from Hubzilla (I've still Got Zot)!

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #HappyBirthday #Mistpark #Friendica

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Mar-2025 20:06:20 JST Jupiter Rowland
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@Joaquim Homrighausen @Kevin Beaumont To be fair, full data portability via ActivityPub has only been available in a stable release of anything for two weeks.

That was when @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️'s Forte, created in mid-August of 2024 as a fork of his own streams repository and the latest member of a family of software that started in 2010 with Friendica, had its very first official stable release.

And, in fact, Forte just uses ActivityPub to do something that (streams) and its predecessors all the way to the Red Matrix from 2012 (known as Hubzilla since 2015) have been doing using the Nomad protocol (formerly known as Zot). It's called nomadic identity. This is technology that's over a dozen years old on software that was built around this technology from the get-go, only that it was recently ported to ActivityPub.

Now, nomadic identity via ActivityPub was @silverpill's idea. He wanted to make his Mitra nomadic. He started working in 2023. The first conversion of existing non-nomadic server software to nomadic still isn't fully done, much less officially rolled out as a stable release.

If Mastodon actually wanted to implement nomadic identity, they would first have to wait until Mitra has a first stable nomadic release. Then they would have to wait until nomadic identity on Mitra (and between Mitra and Forte) has become stable and reliable under daily non-lab conditions. (Support for nomadic identity via ActivityPub on (streams) worked nicely under lab conditions. When it was rolled out to the release branch, and existing instances upgraded to it, it blew up in everyone's faces, and it took months for things to stabilise again.)

Then they would have to look at how silverpill has done it and how Mike has done it. Then they would have to swallow their pride and decide to adopt technology that they can't present as their own original invention because it clearly isn't. And they would have to swallow their pride again and decide against making it incompatible with Mitra, Forte and (streams) just to make these three look broken and inferior to Mastodon.

And only then they could actually start coding.

Now look at how long silverpill has been working on rebuilding Mitra into something nomadic. This takes a whole lot of modifications because the concept of identity itself has to be thrown overboard and redefined because your account will no longer be your identity and vice versa. Don't expect them to be done in a few months.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Mitra #RedMatrix #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #DataPortability #NomadicIdentity

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 17:00:08 JST Jupiter Rowland
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@VegOS Doch, aber @Martin Holland und @heise online sehen es auf Mastodon. Sei froß, daß sie fediverse-savvy genug sind, um sich nicht zum Verbinden mit Friendica ein Friendica-Konto, zum Verbinden mit Pixelfed ein Pixelfed-Konto usw. zulegen.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 05:39:31 JST Jupiter Rowland
Here's another thing that you may not know about Hubzilla and (streams) yet: Not only do they have quote-posts, but they also have pretty effective anti-quote-post defences.

Hubzilla
Hubzilla has a permission setting named "Can source/mirror my public posts in derived channels". It has been there since 2012 when Hubzilla was still a fledgling project named Red, that's 13 years now.

Whether someone may quote-post ("share") your public posts depends on the setting in the channel role. If your channel is set to "Public", I think everyone is allowed to share your public posts. If it's set to "Private", you can (and have to) grant that permission to your connections individually by contact role. Those whom you aren't connected to are not allowed to share any of your posts.

The "Custom" channel role lets you choose between granting that permission, one out of 17 permissions, to:
- everyone in the Fediverse
- everyone on Hubzilla and (streams)
- everyone on your home hub
- unconfirmed and confirmed connections
- confirmed connections
- only those whom you individually grant that permission
- nobody but you
(streams)
(streams) goes even further. As far as I know, it doesn't give you the option to let everyone quote-post any of your posts in the first place. Not only are you always opted out to the point that only you yourself may quote-post your posts, but you can't even fully opt in.

No matter if your channel type is "Social - Public" or "Social - Restricted", the only ones who are allowed to quote-post even only your public posts are those of your connections who get the permission from you. Unlike on Hubzilla, however, you don't have to fumble around with permission roles, although you may do so to speed things up. You've also got a dedicated switch for this permission on each connection labelled "Grant permission to republish/mirror your posts".

The effect
This permission has its strongest effect on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte: If one of their users is not allowed to share one of your posts, the Share button is missing altogether. And there's no real way around the Share button.

In fact, the Repeat button is missing, too. If you aren't allowed to quote-post it, you aren't allowed to boost it either. This permission is not about how you may forward someone's content, but whether you may forward it.

Unfortunately, Fediverse users probably everywhere else are not affected by this permission. Users of Pleroma, Misskey and their respective forks can still quote-post you to their heart's content. And I've got my doubts that Mastodon will understand this permission when it introduces quote-posts.

Then again, it's highly likely that Mastodon's quote-post opt-in or opt-out won't work outside of Mastodon either.

Privacy as an extra line of defence
If you really want to be safe, you've additionally got the option to not post in public. Any post that isn't public can neither be repeated (boosted) nor shared (quote-posted).

Both Hubzilla and (streams) give you the option to send a post to the members of a privacy group/access list (think Mastodon list on coke and 'roids), to a specific group/forum or to any individual selection of connections of yours. (streams) also has Mastodon's option to send a post to all your connections; Hubzilla can emulate that with a privacy group with all your connections in it.

Okay, your post will lose a whole lot of reach. But this is a trick that even Mastodon understands in a certain way: If a post from Hubzilla or (streams) has a restricted audience, Mastodon takes it for a PM. And you can't boost PMs, can you?

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Permissions
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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 16-Feb-2025 22:00:18 JST Jupiter Rowland
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@HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 Truth be told, what we could need is a feature comparison between the various mobile apps and Friendica's Web frontend to see what covers what.

I'm not quite sure if any Friendica app actually covers exactly 100% of Friendica's functionality. What they should cover is what's needed for daily driving. But I'm not sure if all of them cover, for example, all features of the built-in file manager and every last one of Friendica's own optional add-ons.

An actually, absoutely fully-featured Friendica app would be voluminous. Not as huge as a (streams) app and not as massive as a Hubzilla app, but big.

In the cases of some features, I'm not even sure how much sense they make in a mobile app. Would a mobile app need all configuration controls for the Web interface? And does it make sense for an iPhone app to brandish the full set of Friendica admin controls if it detects the logged-in account to be an admin account?

Besides, in spite of its old age, Friendica is constantly changing and sometimes introducing new features. Third-party apps will have to keep up with core and add-on development.

And once the now-growing Friendica community has settled in and attracted a few devs, and they discover that Friendica is so modular that it can attach third-party add-ons server-side, and they start developing third-party add-ons, mobile apps won't cover 100% of Friendica anymore anyway.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #FriendicaApp #FriendicaApps

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 16-Feb-2025 16:50:37 JST Jupiter Rowland
- Elena Rossini ⁂
- ben moretti
@Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan: Friendica apps are generally installed and work on your local device.

Friendica's own frontend can be modified extensively with themes built into a node. But there are no full-blown third-party frontends that completely replace Friendica's built-in frontend like Phanpy fully replaces Mastodon's frontend or Mangane fully replaces Pleroma-FE and Akkoma-FE.

Currently, the only platform that gives you a selection of alternative, third-party frontends that fully replace Friendica's frontend is Android because there are quite a few dedicated, native Friendica apps available for Android.

On Windows or Linux, all you can do is install Relatica. But it's an early and not entirely open beta, it's very incomplete and unfinished, and to my understanding, it still lacks important features.

On a Mac or an iPhone, you're completely out of luck. Again, there's only Relatica which is just as unfinished and incomplete as on Android, Windows and Linux. But Relatica for macOS and for iOS is only available via TestFlight which requires an account on GitLab in order to get into contact with the Relatica developers.

CC: @morebento @Elena Rossini ⁂

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #FriendicaApp #FriendicaApps

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Friday, 24-Jan-2025 19:00:31 JST Jupiter Rowland
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The Fediverse also includes the streams repository with a Facebook alternative (made by Friendica's creator at the end of a long string of forks). It offers blocking of accounts/channels as well as entire instances, and on the admin side, it even has a user agent filter that can block servers by user agent/server software. It's capable of locking out e.g. the entirety of Mastodon in one fell swoop, but it's just as capable of locking out Threads, which is what it was originally designed for.

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Sunday, 19-Jan-2025 11:18:09 JST Jupiter Rowland
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@Mike McCue Does this feed include anything concerning the guy who is the technological edge of the Fediverse personified, @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️?

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Nomad

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Jan-2025 23:13:18 JST Jupiter Rowland
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@Audun Doesn't seem like there's any active developers either.
Um, Friendica has only just released a new version less than two weeks ago. It is very much still under development, and it has multiple active main developers, especially @Tobias.

Oh, and @Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ isn't the Hubzilla main dev anymore either. In 2018, he has passed Hubzilla on to the community in the shape of @Mario Vavti and @Harald Eilertsen to concentrate on the advancement of Zot. He launched Osada (2018), Zap (2018), another Osada (2019), yet another Osada (2020), a new Mistpark (2020; that's Friendica's old name), a new Redmatrix (2020; that's Hubzilla's old name) and Roadhouse (early 2021).

His current works are an intentionally nameless and brandless social networking application from October, 2021, which the community has decided to refer to as (streams) after the name of the repository and still experimental Forte from August, 2024, which is the first Fediverse server application to ever rely on only ActivityPub for nomadic identity.

Mike is working on both almost all alone and entirely in his spare time. He has officially "retired" from software development effective September 1st, 2024, so he has more important things to do in his spare time like tend to his land in Australia. You can't expect something from him that looks like several million dollars have been spent by a Silicon Valley corporation on the UI design. Or from anyone in the Fediverse.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 04:48:21 JST Jupiter Rowland
- Elena Rossini ⁂
Interesting things are going on in the Fediverse right now. And unexpected things.

See, I've always thought that when the shit hits the fan on Facebook, the Mastodon crowd would barge in and drag everyone to Mastodon, no questions asked, no explanation. And we would end up with another few million people for whom the Fediverse is only Mastodon.

I was also afraid of this happening because I know nobody who's on both Facebook and Friendica. In general, Friendica users have quit Facebook long ago, often after Facebook disrupted Friendica's Facebook connector.

Now the shit does hit the fan. But apparently, even on Mastodon, many people are becoming aware that Mastodon is not a good drop-in replacement for Facebook. And that Friendica is much closer. I mean, one of the most important features on Facebook are groups, Mastodon doesn't even know what groups are, but on Friendica, they're an integral part.

It's almost a miracle: Mastodon users are trying to guide Facebook users to Friendica. This also means it's likely that the new Friendicans will know that the Fediverse extends beyond Friendica. I mean, they'll find out anyway because Friendica indicates which server application a post or a comment comes from.

We might be getting to the point where the biggest buzz in the Fediverse quits being self-hosted GoToSocial (and that was the big buzz around New Year) and switches to the oldest surviving project in the Fediverse, not to mention something that's so very much not Twitter-style microblogging for a change.

The reason why Mastodon is so abuzz with Friendica talk is because those who try to guide Facebook users to Friendica often don't know much about Friendica themselves, and now they're shouting into the void for help, hoping that someone catches the hashtag.

I myself am not much of a Friendica expert. It's been a while since I've laid my hands on it. But: I'm connected to a lot of rank-and-file Friendica users. I think I can cover Friendica's entire core bubble in two steps or three at most.

I've succeeded in helping someone interested in Friendica by importing their post onto my stream and repeating it to my own contacts (thanks to Hubzilla introducing repeats). It definitely worked for @Elena Rossini ⁂; I guess she would barely have been able to write her newsletter post about Friendica (read this if you want to get folks off Facebook) if I hadn't stumbled upon her request for help, picked it up and forwarded it. In fact, I can be sure to always reach someone competent in Friendica this way. (Same goes for Hubzilla and (streams), but that's another story, and I could step in and assist myself, too.)

That said, I'm not too keen on manually searching for Friendica help requests and relay them one by one. I could subscribe to mastodon.social's #Friendica hashtag search feed instead. I could even try to make it a channel source and automatically relay what comes in this way to my connections. But that'd flood all that stuff onto the timelines of my hundreds of Mastodon connections as well. If it worked in the first place, because we've got a growing suspicion that this is broken currently.

So here's the shortcut: Maybe some of you Friendica users can subscribe to the #Friendica hashtag search feed on Mastodon yourself and see what's going on there. Here is the URL:

https://mastodon.social/tags/friendica.rss

I'd ask if Friendica has per-connection filters, but the hashtag is so busy with support requests in the wake of Facebook's extra enshittification that there's hardly any cruft in-between that needs to be filtered now.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative
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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 10:27:48 JST Jupiter Rowland
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@Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣 And the best part: The Open Nomad website itself is actually part of a Hubzilla channel. (And quite obviously so.)

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't nomadic with at least one clone itself.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #NomadicIdentity

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Saturday, 07-Dec-2024 04:13:13 JST Jupiter Rowland

Wondering whether I should un-Superblock the various official Mastodon accounts. I've blocked them to unclutter my stream and free it from content that I'm not interested in. Still, since their posts come to me as boosts, they end up on my list of unread activities. And so do all comments from after the posts were boosted to me. These posts often have well over 100 comments. And here on Hubzilla, when I receive a post, and that post is being commented on 150 times, this doesn't count as one unread activity. It counts as 151 unread activities. That's two features that Hubzilla has but Mastodon doesn't at once.

I mean, when something from these accounts is being boosted to me, I get a notification for the post and then 100+ notifications for comments either way, regardless of whether they're Superblocked or not. And when I scroll through those notifications of content that I can't access because it's Superblocked, I have to pick out the few notifications in-between about activities from connection that I haven't Superblocked.

I might just as well un-Superblock them. Okay, then I might be tempted to see that propaganda that at least implies Mastodon is either the best there is in the Fediverse or the Fediverse. Not to mention the masses of comments from 99.9% Mastodon users, most of whom think the Fediverse is only Mastodon, most of the rest of whom think there's nothing better in the Fediverse than Mastodon, and none of whom has read even one other comment in the thread because Mastodon has no concept of conversations.

And I might be tempted to comment on 40 comments which essentially say the same because nobody on Mastodon ever reads other people's comments (because nobody receives them in the first place), and which are based on the assumption of there not being much/anything else in the Fediverse except Mastodon.

I might end up being blocked by another few dozen Mastodon users for whom my comment was the very first activity they've received from outside vanilla Mastodon, the very first one with over 500 characters, maybe the first one with text formatting, not to mention the freakish-looking long-name mentions (no, I can't turn them off, they're hard-coded, and they've been since some four years before Mastodon was launched).

I might even end up in another dispute between "the usual suspects" from Calckey, Akkoma, Friendica etc. on the one side and fundamentalists who want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon on the other side.

But at least I can mark over 100 comments read in one fell swoop by actually loading them.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 07:43:05 JST Jupiter Rowland
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- Tim Chambers
@Tim Chambers It's sad that it's always Bluesky, Threads and Mastodon. The Fediverse is only represented by Mastodon, only Mastodon and nothing but Mastodon, as if there's nothing else. Always.

The Fediverse's quality in microblogging is always measured in what vanilla Mastodon can and can't do. If Mastodon lacks something, the Fediverse lacks it.

But the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. Not even in terms of microblogging.

Pleroma is microblogging, part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
Akkoma is microblogging, part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
Misskey is microblogging, part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
Firefish is microblogging, part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
Iceshrimp is microblogging, part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
Sharkey is microblogging, part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
Catodon is microblogging, part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
Mitra is microblogging, part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
And that's only a selection.

None of them are related to Mastodon. None of them have even a grain of Mastodon in them. They're fully independent developments.

Feature-wise, they all blow Bluesky and Threads and Mastodon out of the water. In fact, if you want "the Fediverse", read, Mastodon to have a certain feature, Misskey probably has it right now. If Misskey doesn't, Iceshrimp or Sharkey may have it. And that doesn't say anything about the more Facebook-like and even more powerful parts of the Fediverse yet.

If Mastodon wants to evolve, it will first have to catch up to the rest of the Fediverse.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Catodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 21:40:19 JST Jupiter Rowland
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- Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic
@Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic I still wonder how people coming from Facebook are not able to find out about Friendica, Hubzilla and co, as their experience with Mastodon must be very unsatisfactory. But then again, most people have no media competence whatsoever.
Well, for one, Friendica and its descendants have never gone viral. It doesn't help that everything in the family prior to (streams) was made under the assumption of "if you build it, they will come". And especially Friendica was made in an era when phone apps were gimmicks rather than absolute necessities.

Hubzilla lived on Friendica converts most of the time because Friendica was just about the only place where Hubzilla was known at all. I guess most people who jumped ships from Friendica to Hubzilla did it for even more features they might need. This is also why nothing post-Hubzilla really took off: It was mostly known on Hubzilla, but just about all that Hubzilla users knew about it was that it had fewer features than Hubzilla. And people either didn't know or didn't care what was improved in comparison with Hubzilla.

Besides, nobody on Facebook expects there to be a free, decentralised Facebook alternative. And if they don't expect it, they don't Google for it, and they don't stumble upon it. If someone invites them to Mastodon, it's usually either a huge surprise that a free, decentralised alternative to anything exists, or they don't notice that Mastodon is free and/or decentralised.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Hubzilla

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 21:39:53 JST Jupiter Rowland
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- Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic
@Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic Especially because they make it look like the Fediverse is a) Mastodon and b) all kinds of other stuff that actually doesn't really matter. As you've said, most of the time, they post about Mastodon and only Mastodon as if there's nothing else out there. Lumping everything that isn't Mastodon together, keeping it separate from Mastodon and only marginally touching it, if at all, makes it seem like the non-Mastodon Fediverse isn't worth bothering.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon

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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 21:39:50 JST Jupiter Rowland
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- Christine Lemmer-Webber
@Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic But I don't understand why Mastodon is so popular.
In order to understand it, you have to go back to Mastodon's origins in 2016.

Mastodon was brand-new. It was somehow discovered by German press that a German lad almost fresh out of school had developed a "Twitter killer". Searing hot story in Germany which quickly spread beyond Germany.

There was also Pleroma, also from Germany, but Pleroma got nothing because it had made the mistake to position itself as an alternative Web UI for GNU social rather than direct stand-alone competition against Twitter.

There was also diaspora*, a Facebook alternative, but it was nothing but a distant memory of a crowdfunding campaign in summer 2010, in the wake of the Cambridge Analytica story, which raised $320,000 when $12,000 were the goal. But diaspora* itself wasn't released with a bang. Some six years later, it was still a public alpha, it was fairly lack-lustre, and the entire development team had to be replaced on the way. Most people had entirely forgotten about it, even tech journalists.

There were also GNU social (formerly StatusNet), Friendica and Hubzilla, but like Pleroma, the general public had never heard of them.

And so it seemed like this boy from Jena had made something that had never been done before, also because he had a ready-to-run software product and not a plan and a crowdfunding campaign.

Fast-forward to 2017. Certain fringe groups were chased off of Twitter: furries, otaku, LGBTQIA+. The only halfway Twitter-like place that at least some of them had heard of was Mastodon. So that was where they invited each other. Within no time, #awoo was one of the hottest hashtags on Mastodon.

It was especially then that Mastodon grew faster than anything else in the Fediverse.

Fast-forward to early 2022. Elon Musk had announced that he might buy Twitter. The first big Twitter migration wave was kicked off. And everyone who fled from Twitter into the Fediverse landed on Mastodon. Why? Here are some reasons.
- There were many more Mastodon users who'd invite people to Mastodon than there were Pleroma users who'd invite people to Pleroma, and especially in the western world, there were far more than there were Misskey users who'd invite people to Misskey. Not to mention their respective forks or stuff that wasn't made to be a Twitter alternative.
- For simplicity reasons, Twitter escapees were never given the choice between Fediverse projects. Instead, they weren't even guided to the project websites but to certain instances, mostly mastodon.social. Not only because more choice would have overwhelmed the Twitter escapees more, but also because you can only tweet so much in 280 characters.
- Precious few Mastodon users even knew back then that there was more to the Fediverse than Mastodon, much less what there was. Thus, nobody on Mastodon invited anyone from Twitter to Calckey or so.
- It actually seemed like Pleroma, Akkoma and the westernised Forkeys slept through the migration wave because there weren't actually masses of people guided from Twitter to one of these.
- Neither of them really had that one big official lighthouse instance that could withstand a massive migration wave of hundreds of thousands or even millions of users. I guess their users were rather cautious. All this in spite of especially Pleroma and Akkoma requiring much fewer server resources than Mastodon. Only Misskey had and still has a lighthouse instance that a) can hold loads of users and b) with a domain that makes it look like this lighthouse instance is Misskey.
And so the Fediverse ended up with millions upon millions of people who initially thought that Mastodon, or even the Fediverse itself, was only mastodon.social. Or mstdn.social or mas.to if their inviters were too lazy to type on their phone screens. But most of the time, it was mastodon.social.

A typical Fediverse invite tweet looked like this back then:
join mastodon its twitter without musk https://mastodon.social

No link to joinmastodon.org. No mention of instances, much less other instances. And no mention of the rest of the Fediverse.

Well, and now that Mastodon makes for 70% of the Fediverse, and at least every other Mastodon user still doesn't know about the existence of a Fediverse outside of Mastodon, there are still more people trying to invite 𝕏 users to Mastodon than people trying to invite 𝕏 users to anything else in the Fediverse combined.

Tech media and mass media don't help either. Mastodon had a huge boom, but everything else in the Fediverse didn't. Thus, Mastodon was noticed by tech media and mass media, and everything else in the Fediverse wasn't. Thus, tech media and mass media only wrote about Mastodon, but hardly about the Fediverse itself and never at all about Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey/Firefish, Sharkey, Iceshrimp etc. because they never even noticed that any of these exist. Thus, the general public read about Mastodon, but hardly about the Fediverse and not at all about anything else in the Fediverse. Thus, people only know Mastodon.

And now you have next to nobody on Pleroma trying to invite people from 𝕏 to Pleroma.

You have next to nobody on Akkoma trying to invite people from 𝕏 to Akkoma.

You have next to nobody on Iceshrimp trying to invite people from 𝕏 to Iceshrimp.

You have next to nobody on Sharkey trying to invite people from 𝕏 to Sharkey.

But you have loads of people on Mastodon trying to invite people from 𝕏 to Mastodon.

You have loads of people on Mastodon trying to invite people from Facebook to Mastodon because they've never even heard about the existence of Friendica, much less Hubzilla, (streams) or Socialhome.

You have loads of people on Mastodon trying to invite people from all kinds of commercial silos to Mastodon because Mastodon is all they've ever heard of, and besides, they try to race Bluesky in terms of user numbers.

When it comes to microblogging, we now have:
- Bluesky: the next Twitter. Also with easy onboarding because it's centralised. (Bluesky nerds: "Ackchually..." @Christine Lemmer-Webber: "ACKCHUALLY...")
- Threads: Meta Platforms = Facebook = Zuckerberg = evil!1!!
- Nostr: Either you've never heard of it, or it's a playground for cryptobros by cryptobros.
- Mastodon: The only non-commercial alternative to the Birdcage known to mankind, but WAYYYYYY too complicated because you have to choose an instance! (Not like both joinmastodon.org and the official app railroad you to mastodon.social. Not like the official Bluesky app doesn't let you pick a PDS to join.)
- Pleroma: :person_shrugging: Never heard of that.
- Akkoma: :person_shrugging: Never heard of that.
- Misskey: only known in Japan.
- Firefish: :person_shrugging: Never heard of that.
- Iceshrimp: :person_shrugging: Never heard of that.
- Sharkey: :person_shrugging: Never heard of that. Apparently, not even the 2SLGBTQIA+ community.
- Catodon: :person_shrugging: Never heard of that.
- Mitra: :person_shrugging: Never heard of that.
- And so forth...
In short: Mastodon is only so popular because nobody knows anything else. Its only advantage over the rest of the Fediverse is that many more people know it.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon
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