Notices by Ben Pate 🤘🏻 (benpate@mastodon.social)

Pspsps #Fediverse

I'm collecting info for a Federated #Map server. Something that would let people share info and comment on what's going on at specific places out in the world.

There are lots of ways this might be useful to our community, so I've written a super-rough-draft spec on my website.

https://benpate.dev/annotated-maps

Just like #Bandwagon, this app would sit on top of #Emissary so most of this is already built. We just need to connect the dots.

#AskFedi #FediHelp
https://mastodon.social/@benpate/115335093845889524

Thanks for the links, Andy :)

It looks like places.pub is a data service that maps OSM data into ActivityPub, along with some examples of how locations fit within the ActivityPub spec, yes?

And, my next step is to reach out to @Edent to ask more about his blog post. This looks pretty close to what I'm thinking, here.

Both of these are a pretty good starting point to build from. Thanks!

@andypiper @johannab @evan @Edent

@evan @johannab @andypiper @Edent

I wish I could, but I have to miss this FediForum.

I’m still getting caught up from my trip this past week, and part of that will be reading through all of the ideas that are coming together on location.

I’ll brush up on your work as well.

There’s just so much to to, and so little time 😫

Could you all help me brainstorm something?

Do you think there would be any use for a Federated location sharing app? Something that would let you mark an annotate locations in the world to share places of interest with your friends or to publicize things that are happening.

We could make a distributed, location-based search engine that pulls up all of the annotations within some radius.

Yes? No? I’d love to hear if this community thinks it would be valuable.

#Spotify has earned its ire from the #Music community - maybe mostly because of the increasing #enshitification of the platform.

But here’s a really great summary of a presentation from the CEO that demonstrates HOW to grow software from nothing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaaS/s/8YE2C9MY8r

This☝🏻is the playbook that the #Fediverse competes with, and a blueprint for how we can win at this game.

https://bandwagon.fm/2025-september 👀

More updates to #Bandwagon are now live on https://bandwagon.fm, including a beautiful embeddable player, Federation improvements, and upgrades to the core application.

We're continuing to move the #Fediverse forward for #Musicians and #Artists

Let me know how it works for you, and what would be the best next thing to work on.

@gregalotl @julian @reiver

Yes 💯

On the Fediverse, the hard part is connecting the payment to the payment to the IP that you're purchasing. It means adding in a whole layer of identity and permissions that probably don't exist on most servers.

I believe sub.club managed this with a private "invite only" Mastodon feed, but we can go more granular than that.

I have a prototype working with #Emissary and Bandwagon.fm, and we'll need this tech on many more platforms to make a real difference.

Regardless of the payment method, it’s still extra work to figure out who has paid for which content, and most Fediverse servers don’t have this in place yet, so crypto wouldn’t solve that part of the puzzle.

Separate from that, I’m pretty down on crypto - specifically because it seems like an end run around having a well-regulated banking system.

But I’m willing to be open; is there a good reason to look into crypto payments BEFORE direct bank transfers?

@gregalotl @julian @reiver

That was the main point of my presentation at #Fedicon2025, that:

1. We need a real payment infrastructure here on the Fediverse.

2. We need to do it well, to avoid the (numerous) sins of the past.

3. I'm doing that right now, PLEASE HELP ME OMG.

I can't wait until the videos are up, then I can just link to that presentation a thousand times, because I laid out my entire life's purpose in it.

@mro @gregalotl @julian @reiver

Yes. I'm looking into Taler and Interleger (Open Payments) for direct fiat currency transfer.

And yes, payments are *very* different from how (most of) the Fediverse works right now.

There was an service called sub.club ~ which unfortunately shut down recently ~ that was experimenting with charging money for access to premium newsfeeds.

I'm doing that now with #Emissary, along with letting bands sell albums over Bandwagon.fm

@mro @gregalotl @julian @reiver

@julian

I honestly thought it was just me 😇

@FenTiger @julian @evan

This is a good point, though I'm not clear how different servers would handle outbox requests for activities that they don't support. I'm pretty sure mine would just die.

My big concern with OAuth tokens is that they require me to give away write access to my Fediverse identity when I "like" or "reply" to something, which could easily be an attack vector.

We talked about scoping OAuth tokens, but it feels like a lot of moving parts. More details later

I'm genuinely behind on this. I've skimmed Evan's FEP, but a lot of OAuth complexity is still opaque to me.

It seems like the missing piece with using the C2S API would be *figuring out* what endpoints I can call to initiate an activity.

Does FEP-d8c2 implement discovery in some way that I'm not seeing? Or, is this something *still to be defined* and I'm just jumping the gun, here?

@evan @thisismissem @julian @naturzukunft

A question for all of you on the #Fediverse (and especially #Musicians, #Writers, and #Artists) who sell your work online:

Do you know how you receive payments right now?

I want to connect the most fedi-friendly platforms into #Bandwagon, #Emissary, and beyond.. so I'd love to hear what works best for you :)

Hey Lutin, thanks for the heads up. This is exactly what Emissary is for. I’ll try contacting the community to see if I can help.

@lutindiscret @zkat

After months of work, I'm excited to share these updates to #Emissary that let you sell #Music on the #Fediverse with #Bandwagon.

* Use YOUR OWN Stripe account
* Sell music as digital downloads
* Sell exclusive memberships to band updates
* 0% fees from me

This is free for everyone now, and will become a part of Bandwagon Premier when it launches later this year. More details are in the blog post:

https://bandwagon.fm/2025-july

Let's go make some noise.

So they’re letting me host a session the #Fedicon conference on August 1st in Vancouver, CA

I’ll probably ramble about: #Music, #UX, and #Commerce on the #Fediverse

What do you all want to talk about?

https://fedicon.ca

Yes.

To be more explicit, and in the context of Bandwagon, album sales are just buying premium access to album downloads. Albums are federated, but the one-time purchase is not.

But you can also make a premium feed using “circles” letting followers buy access to a stream of updates that ARE federated. Members-only items come through as DMs from an otherwise public “Follow”

@silverpill

I’m calling it here. New work on online payments and private news feeds in #Emissary is done.

I still need to do thorough QA and write documentation, but all of the major features are feature complete.

It’s been a frustratingly long road - nearly three months since this kicked off - but I’m super excited to get this out the door.

Expect some cool videos soon, and a final release in the next few weeks.

🎉

I'm often grumpy about how "loose" the #ActivityPub protocol is. So it's important that I also point to positive examples of how to do it well.

https://w3id.org/fep/b2b8: "Long-form Text" is a great set of concrete terms and concepts that moves the #Fediverse forward in some really good ways. As we continue growing beyond "microblogging" we need this, and more stuff like it.

Thank you to @evanprodromou for putting your time into this document. It's a solid investment for everyone.