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    silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 07:47:42 JST silverpill silverpill
    • pistolero

    @p This is a good analysis, and I can confirm that there is indeed some coordination between the organizations and people you mentioned. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, though. I know some of them well enough to conclude that it is a not a single organization, but a loose group. Some of them seem to be fake, but others seem to be sincere in their convictions.

    I'd like to share a couple of additional links you may find interesting:

    - https://about.iftas.org/yoel/

    Remember this guy? Given the timing, I suspect that some of these projects were supposed to be sinecures for former Twitter employees.

    - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/pulls/140

    This is a draft of a FEP about mandatory CSAM scanning. As one of the FEP repo maintainers, I immediately raised concerns about privacy, centralization, etc. That made me persona non grata at W3C.

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      roko's basilisk (vii@dsmc.space)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 10:37:05 JST roko's basilisk roko's basilisk
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      @silverpill @p

      > I wouldn’t call it a conspiracy though.

      I doubt the bankers of the 1910s were without justification for their security and privacy in the matter, when making plans that affect people they have no right stance making those decisions for. But we can call it “how business is done in this time and place,” and the real problem seems to remain; people who think they know better than the admins are using underhanded tactics to politicize the adoption of technologies, with a motte and bailey for centralized control over all kinds of security beneath the veneer of CSAM concerns.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 10:47:34 JST pistolero pistolero
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      > This is a good analysis, and I can confirm that there is indeed some coordination between the organizations and people you mentioned.

      :bigbosssalute: Thank ye.

      > I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, though.

      I'm a fuckin' lunatic, I'll call it one.

      > I know some of them well enough to conclude that it is a not a single organization, but a loose group.

      The thing is they put out tendrils without acknowledging the coordination or any other kind of transparency about who decided what and when and why. Like, Seirdy puts out his receipts, IFTAS just declares things and then calls people enemies of progress and says "Well, you can't just have a website where people say whatever they want": this behavior is as good as an acknowledgement of an agenda that they don't want to publicize.

      > others seem to be sincere in their convictions.

      Oh, yeah, I mean, I can acknowledge that. I think a lot of them are sincere in their convictions the way Bob McNamara was, though. "Taquiyya is praxis." I don't doubt that there are some that hear these things they're saying and agree with them and push them.

      > - https://about.iftas.org/yoel/

      Am I missing something? It's just a photo of the guy's head.

      > Remember this guy? Given the timing, I suspect that some of these projects were supposed to be sinecures for former Twitter employees.

      That is interesting.

      > - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/pulls/140
      > This is a draft of a FEP about mandatory CSAM scanning. As one of the FEP repo maintainers, I immediately raised concerns about privacy, centralization, etc. That made me persona non grata at W3C.

      *Very* interesting.

      Evan Prodromou, "Board member at CoSocial.ca. Research Director, Social Web Foundation." says:

      > This conversation is not very fruitful, so I'm withdrawing the PR. I'm going to rework this proposal and submit it to the SocialCG directly instead.

      And Jaz shows up as well. Very interesting conversation; worth reading.

      The citation without noting connections is very interesting.
      yoel.png
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        WIP: PhotoDNA Attestation extension (CW: CSAM)
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        As the fediverse grows, moderators and administrators will need tools to help with moderation. In particular, for child sexual abuse material (CSAM), it is important to be able to detect and remove CSAM from the fediverse. [PhotoDNA](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/PhotoDNA/CloudService) is a service developed by Dartmouth College and Microsoft that can detect known CSAM images. It is used by many social networks to detect and remove CSAM. Fediverse server software can use PhotoDNA to detect and report CSAM uploaded to the server before it is distributed via ActivityPub. Thiel and DiResta in their report on [Child Safety on the Federated Social Web](https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:vb515nd6874/20230724-fediverse-csam-report.pdf) note that if each recipient server need to check an incoming message from a sending server, this will cause thousands or even tens of thousands of extraneous calls to PhotoDNA. Instead, they propose an architecture in which the origin server makes a single call to PhotoDNA, and then relays an attestation to all recipient servers. The recipient server can then check the attestation and decide whether to accept the message, without requiring additional calls to PhotoDNA. This FEP expands their proposal into an implementable ActivityPub extension. It is a WIP; I need to confirm with the team from SIO and/or PhotoDNA what the hash function should be, and how a recipient server can confirm the signature from the API.

      2. https://media.freespeechextremist.com/rvl/full/8f2340c499e6975a3c094cf6946e04a2aaf589432db836a13ea73b93554e5f8c?name=yoel.png
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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 15:47:10 JST silverpill silverpill
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      @p

      >Am I missing something? It's just a photo of the guy's head.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoel_Roth

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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:22:15 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @silverpill Oh, shit! I remember his name now, yeah.

      Wonder why they have just a photo of his head. Was there something written there before?
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:22:50 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @pernia @silverpill Except all of the other people mentioned in the thread.
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      þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:22:52 JST þernia þernia
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      @silverpill @p >early life
      EVERY SINGLE TIME
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      þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:45:24 JST þernia þernia
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      @p @silverpill whatever u say, pete bergerstein
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       (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:47:35 JST  
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      @p @silverpill I recall there's been an actual instance for twitter jannies set up after musky Elon booted them.
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       (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:48:02 JST  
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      @p @silverpill https://fedilist.com/instance/macaw.social
      Still up. Don't see anything indicating IFTAS association from the first glance.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:49:05 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @mint @silverpill

      > mastodon
      > posts: 93899 (31.66/day)
      > Posts per user: 88.33

      Many such cases.
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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:49:12 JST silverpill silverpill
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      @p I don't remember, sadly. I believe he was on the front page at some point, but as @phnt says, the site has changed since then (and the guy moved to greener pastures).

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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:49:37 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @mint @silverpill I think I remember their attempt at rezzing their bluechecks.
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:49:44 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @silverpill @phnt It's weird that it'd be omitted from the Wayback Machine.
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      Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 17:04:08 JST Phantasm Phantasm
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      @silverpill @p Doesn't surprise me Evan was involved in that once again. But Gleason actually figured something usable years prior to that with the NSFW MRF. You could easily host an API server and use some local selfhosted model for detection.

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      Organ Ism (fish@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 17:55:58 JST Organ Ism Organ Ism
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      @silverpill @p I like how the guy opened the PR, and the discussions were really well structured and well laid out, brought up lots of other ideas and the ups and downsides thereto; and the freak closes it with:

      > This conversation is not very fruitful, so I'm withdrawing the PR. I'm going to rework this proposal and submit it to the SocialCG directly instead.

      Yeah, of course. Because there's nothing worse than quality discussions poking holes at your proposal, allowing you to learn and adapt. :pinkwojakrage:
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 17:56:48 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @fish @silverpill

      > Because there's nothing worse than quality discussions poking holes at your proposal, allowing you to learn and adapt.

      Yeah, that was my thought, like, they do this stuff because they want to look like they're participating, but they stop fast when it becomes apparent that they can't force an agenda.
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      Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 18:19:24 JST Phantasm Phantasm
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      @fish @p @silverpill I didn't expect this much resistance, let me try to introduce it in my hugbox where people will most likely agree with me by default.*

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      Cheetah Meld (pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me)'s status on Sunday, 19-Apr-2026 04:25:47 JST Cheetah Meld Cheetah Meld
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      @silverpill @p JFC, a few weeks ago I was joking "Countdown to first public server on the Fediverse with Persona-provided age verification", and now I'm finding out some jokers tried to get endorsement for servers running every user-uploaded image by §$#!§-ing PhotoDNA two years ago already. I'm reeling, honestly.

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      silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 19-Apr-2026 05:46:05 JST silverpill silverpill
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      • pistolero

      @phnt @p Curiously, Gleason was supportive of the proposal, although at the time he already moved to Nostr (IIRC).

      Also, some strange things started to happen in the aftermath of closing that PR. I started seeing vague posts expressing moderation concerns on Codeberg and SocialHub (in this thread, for example: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/scope-of-the-socialhub-policy/3506). People suddenly started talking about adding a CoC, etc etc. But every time I asked what this is about, there was silence.

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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 19-Apr-2026 06:36:25 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @silverpill @phnt

      > Curiously, Gleason was supportive of the proposal

      Is that curious?

      > Also, some strange things started to happen in the aftermath of closing that PR. I started seeing vague posts expressing moderation concerns on Codeberg and SocialHub (in this thread, for example: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/scope-of-the-socialhub-policy/3506). People suddenly started talking about adding a CoC, etc etc. But every time I asked what this is about, there was silence.

      HOLY FUCKING SHIT
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      Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 19-Apr-2026 06:47:52 JST Phantasm Phantasm
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      @silverpill @p
      >Curiously, Gleason was supportive of the proposal, although at the time he already moved to Nostr (IIRC).

      That's because 4 years ago when the MRF was created, is also around the time when Fedi was being flooded with nonces (and also after the Matrix channel arc failed). The whole point of the MRF was that you could plug it into something like PhotoDNA, because Poast moderation was getting tired of dealing with nonces on TLs. Gleason was always supportive of things like this and I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't also pushing something like that on Nostr considering how nonce infested that network is.

      > I started seeing vague posts expressing moderation concerns on Codeberg and SocialHub (in this thread

      Kinda reminds me of this which I was reading two days ago, but it is unrelated.
      https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/moderation-norms-on-socialhub-going-forward/8634
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        Continuing the discussion from How to participate in the W3C Working Groups on AP: Attn: @angus It appears that I misrepresented the SocialHub admins/mods, and that the hiding of my post in the topic about the newly chartered W3C Working Group was not a mod action by them, but rather by a community member who didn’t like my tone. My apologies for the error, and for going off half-cocked without first investigating what had happened. However, I stand by the criticism that it’s unwise to enable...
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 19-Apr-2026 06:47:57 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @silverpill @phnt Okay, well, to be fair, the timestamp on the "Scope of the socialhub policy" post is August 1, 2023, and the "PhotoDNA Attestation extension" is from August 4, but I think that was possibly preemptive, because he posted this on August 18:

      https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/scope-of-the-socialhub-policy/3506/9

      > Thanks. So, if I have a problem with how someone is behaving in PRs on codeberg, what do I do next?

      And then in https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/scope-of-the-socialhub-policy/3506/12 and https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/scope-of-the-socialhub-policy/3506/13 , he made it explicit that this was about the PhotoDNA discussion.

      And he directly retreats into "But think of the optics of not thinking of the children!"

      > I ended up withdrawing the PR. I had adapted the proposal in the Stanford Internet Observatory’s Child Safety report into a FEP to start the discussion process. I was attacked personally in the comments, and the FEP wasn’t allowed to be merged. I don’t think it helped our movement to have such vigorous opposition to developing CSAM filtering standards.
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        I ended up withdrawing the PR. I had adapted the proposal in the Stanford Internet Observatory’s Child Safety report into a FEP to start the discussion process. I was attacked personally in the comments, and the FEP wasn’t allowed to be merged. I don’t think it helped our movement to have such vigorous opposition to developing CSAM filtering standards.
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      Organ Ism (fish@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Apr-2026 08:10:26 JST Organ Ism Organ Ism
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      @p @phnt @silverpill > I was attacked personally in the comments

      A lying little freak it turns out eh. 🇨🇦 🥖
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      @fish @phnt @silverpill Yeah, the guy's a cock, right?

      Incidentally, @strypey shows up in some of those threads and says sensible things.
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      @p @fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill huh, so hachyderm's insanity was sponsored.

      :blobcatderpy: wait, is the whole federated blacklist mandate sponsored bullcrap
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      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @strypey

      > :blobcatderpy: wait, is the whole federated blacklist mandate sponsored bullcrap

      Yes. See top post; hopefully the thread loads. Only ~100 posts at present.
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      @p @fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill my patience for Current Things is extremely limited and you pasted an opus :cat_sad: i no longer read 500 pages of the fall of man per day
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      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @strypey (But the top post contains a dang TL;DR.)
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      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @strypey The short answer: IFTAS/Oliphant/Social Web Foundation/Newsmast/Fediblock/etc. are all the same people, modulo some regular well-meaning people, and are all funded by the Malthusian nihilist cabal.
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      @p @fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill and here i thought humans were just collectively stupid, as they tend to be
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      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @strypey
      rockpaperscissors_but_its_society.jpg
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      @p
      > @strypey shows up in some of those threads and says sensible things

      Should it worry me that the self-described "free speech extremists" say that, and everyone else seems to think I'm an aspy-hole? It doesn't.

      I try to assume good faith with everyone, always, and ask probing questions in search of deeper understanding. When I get aggressively defensive non-answers, I tend to feel bad, and assume I'm doing it wrong. But maybe I ought to get suspicious instead? Hmm.

      @fish @phnt @silverpill

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      @strypey @fish @phnt @silverpill

      > Should it worry me that the self-described "free speech extremists" say that

      Well, obviously, in my opinion, no. :terrylol2:

      > and everyone else seems to think I'm an aspy-hole?

      :facesofautism: Sir... :autismapproved:

      > I try to assume good faith with everyone, always, and ask probing questions in search of deeper understanding. When I get aggressively defensive non-answers, I tend to feel bad, and assume I'm doing it wrong.

      My 'tism flares up and I am pretty good at reading incentives and terrible at reading affect. "This is not what you'd do if you wanted this; you'd have to want that or the other."
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      @p Reminds me of what Chapman says in the first essay I ever read on Meaningness;

      "... you could recognize sociopaths and eject them. Geeks may be pretty good at the recognizing, but are lousy at the ejecting. Mops don’t recognize sociopaths, and anyway don’t care. Mops have little investment in the subculture, and can just walk away when sociopaths ruin it. By the time sociopaths show up, mops are numerically most of the subculture."

      https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

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      I want to speak up for Evan P, who I think has also been a juicy target for identi-Moonies (eg Jon Pincus, who I wouldn't piss on if they was on fire). Resulting in apparently evasive behaviour on Evan's part that's actually defensive, and a level of sensitivity to the normal rough and tumble of online dev debate that's caused by it triggering memories of being brigaded.

      Eg the SWF hellthread on SH. The people gunning for Evan, mostly the same who later targeted me.

      @p @fish @phnt @silverpill

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      @strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill I wave "Geeks, MOPs, and Sociopaths" at whoever I can convince to listen. Excellent article. (I don't know if you scrolled up and saw OP but you may be interested.)
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      @strypey @fish @phnt @silverpill Well, I'm willing to believe he's a little overly cautious but I see the FEP thread, he's suggesting that everyone use a proprietary Microsoft service, I see reasonable discussion, then I see him back out and then say "I was personally attacked and they didn't merge my FEP, how do I get them banned from Codeberg?" And not just once, I see that same style in the other thread: https://cosocial.ca/@evan/116019337987119280 .
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      > I don't know if you scrolled up and saw OP

      Being a stickler for checking context, I certainly did. My take is pretty much the same as @silverpill's.

      There is a troubling dynamic at work, where states, political parties and legacy media realise the party is over, and are scrambling to hoard what power they can as the neo-liberal, state-corporate order continues to fall apart around them. Some of what you're seeing will be them putting thumbs on the scale.

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      > Being a stickler for checking context, I certainly did. My take is pretty much the same as @silverpill's.

      :bigbosssalute:

      > states, political parties and legacy media realise the party is over, and are scrambling to hoard what power they can

      I should float my "LLMs are replacement for both propaganda outlets and surveillance systems and there is no government on earth that is prohibited from running an army of chatbots" thing past you. I don't think they think the party is over; I think that's why they're racing to fund LLMs. (That's a bit of a digression.⁰)





      ⁰ Quoted from different thread at https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/B5G4gbZi5rQXpibiSG :

      > There are no "can't use amassed LLM sockpuppets to manufacture consent or to conduct massive real-time surveillance campaigns" restrictions against the government (and even when there are restrictions like that, the 2007 warrantless wiretapping and PRISM and the Biden Twitter/Facebook thing demonstrate that the government doesn't really care when there are restrictions) and you can see that the PRC and US are aggressively pouring money into this while governments that don't have much fear of uprisings are making minimal investments. (The room full of Russkies posting at boomers on Facebook is probably going to be replaced with LLMs from Yandex, but Russia's been half-assing their influence campaigns last 20-ish years at least.) That's going to be a qualitative shift in government and that is bigger than clickbait journos getting the ax. I showed you, right, on consumer hardware, it'll do a passable job at summarizing my notifications. You look at the NSA's exabytes under the desert in Utah, you look at the https://www.top500.org/lists/top500/2025/11/ and the US, which had been slipping in the rankings, suddenly ate the top 10 again, China went from owning the top slot to #24. And where you saw only governments before, you see Microsoft and NVidia. (OpenAI has, at current revenue levels, an order of magnitude gap between their $250B commitment to minimum buy for Azure and their revenue of about $3-4B/month. Microsoft already owns 27% and will acquire them unless they get a big contract. They are talking Q4 IPO and they're discussing advertising; advertising will not make up the shortfall and is a dry-hump for businesses that have run out of ideas. But "persuasive reasoning based on natural language analysis" is, in the case of LLMs, dual-purpose: they are eyeing government contracts.
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      >the timestamp on the "Scope of the socialhub policy" post is August 1, 2023,

      Hmm. I see Aug 8, 2023 7:40 PM.

      Indeed, it was not made after the withdrawal of the PR (I confused it with another thread). This one was made right after my first comments on the PR.

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      > Hmm. I see Aug 8, 2023 7:40 PM.

      Yeah, it makes me think that the post was created in order to get ready; you notice he claimed that the discussion was unproductive and then went back to that thread to claim that he was personally attacked (which I don't see in the Codeberg thread) and that the FEP was not allowed to be merged, almost like he decided to withdraw it and make the complaint beforehand.
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      @strypey @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt This article contains a very accurate description of the process fedi is undergoing right now. The conclusion is disappointing, though. Obviously, I didn't read the book, so maybe "Be slightly evil" means something else, but I think there is absolutely no reason to be evil. "Geeks" (to borrow terminology from the article) do not lose because they are not evil. They lose because they don't want to be in charge, and nature fills the vacuum with grifters and sociopaths.

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      > nature fills the vacuum with grifters and sociopaths.

      There's no vacuum if no one needs to be in charge. If you make it impossible to make money on fedi then you can maintain the network without the sociopaths showing up. They're showing up because they want to coalesce influence and they don't like the idea of a side-channel.

      Someone that is an experienced fedi admin and that has familiarity with FidoNet should try to get an interview with Tom Jennings. (I try to bother the dude as little as possible but it's tomjennings at tldr.nettime.org.) FidoNet basically kept their shit together until the Internet displaced BBSs.
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      @p @fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill billionaires are basically systems that reconstruct all of the social systems to serve themselves.

      it should be obvious from this statement that "do nothing" will never be a viable system response to keep them out
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      > "do nothing" will never be a viable system response to keep them out

      If they don't know what they're looking at, it works better.
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      @p @fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill realistically you're just living somewhere that isn't a strategic asset. its like those funny island nations with real republics because the country is so irrelevant it's not stuffed with lobbyists.
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      @strypey @silverpill @p @fish @phnt good people tend not to want leadership because the responsibility and costs can be considerable.
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      > "Geeks" ... do not lose because they are not evil ... They lose because they don't want to be in charge, and nature fills the vacuum

      I agree. In the context of the article, I think "be slightly evil" means being willing to be in charge, eg organising a process for identifying and ejecting sociopaths. With full respect for due process and principles of natural justice, so it doesn't become a tool of sociopaths (ie "slightly evil" not actually evil).

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      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @strypey Well, I disagree. You cannot ever get away from people trying to fuck you, but you can make something that the sociopaths do not understand and deride.
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      @p @fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill they don't understand a lot of what they use :blobcatbeer2:
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      > its like those funny island nations with real republics because the country is so irrelevant it's not stuffed with lobbyists

      Name one. Every country with an identifiable government or other power centre is stuffed with lobbyists. We certainly do in Aotearoa, and I get the impression smaller Pacific nations are the same.

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      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @strypey Bitches don't know 'bout my whatever you said. :drinkin:
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      @light @strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill It's not divisive to recognize that some people can lie, attempt to exploit fedi, or attempt to screw fedi.
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      This is just yet more division. @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill

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      @strypey @light @p @fish @phnt @silverpill that isn't what popper wrote even though it is deeply misquoted.

      the paradox of tolerance is an open society always contains the possibility that people vote away their open society. it is the sine qua non of an open society. once you have thought police "to protect democracy" you no longer have an open society. and have extinguished your liberal democracy.

      the society protects from violence against extreme opinions and vigilance protects against voting the extreme opinions in to place. you can't get rid of it without no longer having the thing you are trying to protect.

      nobody seems to have ever read the book.
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      > This is just yet more division

      Maybe, or is it a legitimate example of the paradox of tolerance? Where tolerating sociopaths in the fediverse dev community (instead of identifying and ejecting them) ends up reducing the capacity of the community to be inclusive?

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      @strypey @fish @phnt @p @silverpill @light
      if you read the book, the context of this claim is after 25% of the book goes on about how much popper hates plato and spent chapters reiterating "plato's republic is authoritarian as fuck, actually"

      the stuff about limited tolerance is spoken in direct context of people exiting a classical authoritarian society and discussing the dangers of grognards sliding society directly back in to hierarchical strong man cultures.

      people don't read it and decide it means calling randos nazis but it was spoken with the very real and ongoing concern throughout time of people rotting democracy back in to dictatorships.

      poppers smugness is that if violence is off the table, then reason holds for the best argument, and the best argument is empirically the open society, so they have the advantage of self-demonstrating being the best outcome and not needing special favor.

      the whole book is very much against authoritarian solutions to problems. unlimited tolerance is spoken next to societies that literally did the "someone is a threat to our power with their words, kill them" behavior people actually misquote the paradox to justify.
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      > nobody seems to have ever read the book

      I admit I haven't (I must), but I did investigate what Popper actually said;

      "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

      https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/paradox-tolerance

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      > defense
      i tend to favor education in how controllers work as a cybernetic concept, because people do understand they are being predated upon but they keep thinking winning one vote means anything.

      it doesn't, really, because they're more like advanced persistent threats or systems that specialize in taking over systems.

      i think i outlined this already with the note that sociopaths are morally comfortable using everyone for their own ends, while normal people don't really do much to stop this, which is probably also the whole point of the mops vs geeks article

      its hard to blame them though because schooling in the USA was literally co-opted to produce easily controlled morons, and the model is replicated worldwide to varying degrees of success.
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      This is all out of context, because what I'm proposing clearly isn't "authoritarian solutions", but systematic defence *against* them. But since we're arguing the toss ...

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      @nicholas @phnt @p @strypey @silverpill @light yeah, basically. the enemies of an open society are people that close its openness without consent.

      the parable is a note that people could opt to consent to dissolution. but this *sine qua non*. it's no longer an open society if the state "knows better than you" how to vote.
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      ...the rest of the story.

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      @strypey @light @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill

      > the paradox of tolerance

      I don't think the paradox of tolerance is a real paradox; it requires a really terrible premise that eliminates human agency and consequentialists/utilitarians/positivists love to use it to play three-card monte.

      > reducing the capacity of the community to be inclusive?

      I think it's okay to stop people from exploiting fedi, you know?
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      @strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @light See, that's extending the concept of "tolerance" to "unconditional acceptance to the point of death". Nobody that intends to have a tolerant society can *possibly* mean "radical absolute acceptance of the society's death". A tolerant society means what, precisely?
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      > the whole book is very much against authoritarian solutions to problems. unlimited tolerance is spoken next to societies that literally did the "someone is a threat to our power with their words, kill them" behavior people actually misquote the paradox to justify.

      That is more reasonable than the popular definition.
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      > i think i outlined this already with the note that sociopaths are morally comfortable using everyone for their own ends, while normal people don't really do much to stop this, which is probably also the whole point of the mops vs geeks article

      My takeaway was "this is the lifecycle of subcultures".
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      WE HAVE TO GET YOU MORE LETTERS

      YOU CAN ATTACH AN 8MB JPEG TO POSTS BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE ENOUGH LETTERS TO TYPE FOR SOME REASON?
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      > I don't think the paradox of tolerance is a real paradox

      Then I suggest you learn a bit more about the history of the 20th century, or read Chapman's piece about how subcultures fail again. Because it absolutely is. Just not in the way centrist authoritarians claiming to be liberals spin it.

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      > Then I suggest you learn a bit more about the history of the 20th century

      I also don't tend to buy "If you don't agree with my conclusion, you must not know what I know" arguments. I'm pretty familiar with the Malthusian nihilist utilitarians that took power in the 1930s and defined the post-Bernays world.

      > or read Chapman's piece

      I have read it at least twice. I refer people to it frequently.

      > Just not in the way centrist authoritarians claiming to be liberals spin it.

      Well, that was Quinn's point and I think it's a reasonable point.
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      @sampler @icedquinn @fish @p @strypey @silverpill @light The reason is Gargron was autistic about his vision of a Twitter replacement and posts longer than 500 chars look ugly in the UI. It's a problem that will never get fixed because Mastodon desperately wants to be a Twitter alternative including the way it looks and displays threads.

      The actual solution would be to widen the post view and decrease post text size, but that is too much to ask.

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      Tweets having 140 character limit made sense before smartphones, when we used Twitter via sms (text 40404) . Not sure why Mastodon castrates itself for any reason other than fetish.

      Does any Mastodon instance have Twitter-like text messaging or did they ever? I remember statusnet had xmpp built in but I don't think we ever had proper texting set up. (Maybe this is something revolver should consider)

      As long as Mastodon is wearing a chastity belt, the char length be 140 instead of 280 (tweets 2.0 - now twice as much) / 500 (toots are almost twice as big as tweets 2.0 but 500 is a nice round number) because it's a number that actually makes sense

      maybe they can get government funding from EU to implement sms integration to make it easier for the government to protect their users.
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      > posts longer than 500 chars look ugly in the UI

      They look just fine in FediBBS. He should try having a better frontend. (Tweetdeck has always sucked.)
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      Can you prove that you have an autism diagnosis? A lot of people online just pretend to be autistic so they can get free money (see #mutualaid tag) and get away with being rude. I'm not saying you're a liar, but I've seen some things on here before.
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      > The reason is Gargron was autistic about his vision of a Twitter

      I'm not sure if Gargron is autistic and this is neither here nor there. I think the word you're looking for is 'obsessive' (me=actually autistic).

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      > I also don't tend to buy "If you don't agree with my conclusion, you must not know what I know" arguments

      I'm just rolling with the playful banter style of posting you folks seem to favour. I hope it didn't distract you from the point I was making.

      > that was Quinn's point and I think it's a reasonable point

      Sure, but it's totally orthogonal to the point I was making. We don't need to follow the script here folks, we can improv. Go wild! ; }

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      > If multi-post threads really bother you

      Not really, it just seems like at some point, tagging overhead eats the limit. Even Twitter stopped doing that, like, tags and links stopped counting towards the character limit. Mastodon *could* do the former because tags are an extra field (and more or less unconstrained).

      I do think that it does make threads harder to read and participate in (by increasing the likelihood of duplication: if you have two paragraphs and the second one covers something relevant to the first, but people that go chronologically see the first one and then write a different version of your second paragraph before finding your second paragraph; this can compound, it is very funny when it does), but I'm just pokin' yer ribs, I ain't tore up.

      > The default Masto interface is modelled on Pinafore and has been for years. Although the one modeled on TD is still there as an opt-in.

      Ah. I mean...you see the UI that I wrote and use, I'm not sure what Pinafore *is*. (And if it gives you an idea, I used to use the bitlbee Twitter backend as my only Twitter interface. Until they killed off *all* alternative clients, you could have a reasonable time with Twitter by treating it like an IRC channel.)
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      > WE HAVE TO GET YOU MORE LETTERS

      If multi-post threads really bother you I can switch to my Friendica account. I keep forgetting I have it, and I *hate* the cludgy interface with a burning passion. But if you *really* need me to ...

      > He should try having a better frontend. (Tweetdeck has always sucked.)

      The default Masto interface is modelled on Pinafore and has been for years. Although the one modeled on TD is still there as an opt-in.

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      > My takeaway was "this is the lifecycle of subcultures"

      I would say the main point was 'this is why subcultures are unsustainable as a mode of meaningness'. One that can eject sociopaths becomes something else.

      > sociopaths are morally comfortable using everyone for their own ends, while normal people don't really do much to stop this

      ... is just an assumption baked into common usage of the term, which is followed by its use in the article.

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      @strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @light Well, what I mean to say is not "Is there an objective classification?" but "What do you mean when you use that term?"
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      > A tolerant society means what, precisely?

      That's the million dollar question, isn't it. One we've all been grappling with since Popper's time, and probably much longer.

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      >...the rest of the story.

      Pavlov's dogs drooled on queue regardless of whether the situation actually calls for that. Maybe we can be more aware of context that? *sigh*

      https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/116442469604430519

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      > Can you prove that you have an autism diagnosis?

      :facesofautism: Participation in this thread is sufficient for a diagnosis. :autismapproved:
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      > Can you prove that you have an autism diagnosis?

      Can you prove you're a human and not a Trained #MOLE?

      > A lot of people online just pretend to be autistic so they can get free money

      I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten posting requests for money. Can you link to some of these posts to jog my memory?

      Way to utterly miss the point dude. You're not even in same country as the point. I'm not sure you're even on the same planet.

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      > a reasonable thing to say to someone that is trying to get us all killed and being paid ungodly sums of money for that

      Can't think of any good reason to disagree with that.

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      @strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @light Yeah, I mean, I think "You're trying to get us all killed and you're being paid ungodly sums of money for it so I no longer am interested in speaking to you" is a reasonable thing to say to someone that is trying to get us all killed and being paid ungodly sums of money for that.
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      @nicholas @icedquinn @phnt @p @strypey @silverpill @light karl just spent two volumes explaining why Plato and much of the downstream philosophy (western culture) was 'intolerant', 30 tyrants etc. 90% garbage, it's purpose is to nudge us to a lame combo of fabianism with a pretend libertarian shell. they gave him an OBE for licking the boots of the royals. Read Robin Collingwood, forget Popper.
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      > tags and links stopped counting towards the character limit

      In Mastodon there's now a cap on how many characters each tag, link and @mention use up. One of the few benefits of this is limiting people's ability to spam me with massive numbers of links, tags and/or @mentions.

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      > In Mastodon there's now a cap on how many characters each tag, link and @mention use up.

      As usual, they appear to have done something ridiculous.
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      > It's an expression, you know

      Indeed. It's an expression that associates being autistic with various negative personality traits (in this case being obsessive to the point of breaking UX). Like calling anyone who does dysfunctional shit "skitzo" associates that behaviour with being schizophrenic. FTS.

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      > It's an expression that associates being autistic with various negative personality traits

      Likewise with "bastard". I mean, look at it: the colloquial use of the term is describing someone as amoral or brutish and the implication of using the word "bastard" for that is "You act as if you were raised without a father".

      Mainly, though, look: uphill battle trying to get normies to care or to stop being shitty and it is a complete and utter mistake to use their viewpoint as the frame of reference. As far as I'm concerned, they're the ones with fucked-up heads, not me. I don't care whether they have a negative evaluation of me because it is not something that I can alter and it turns out that it's not something that affects my life and I refuse to pretend that I'm not a fucking weirdo. It's more goddamn harmful to let normies define the terms of anything than it is for people to use hyperbole or figurative language.
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      > they appear to have done something ridiculous

      Huh?

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      @strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @silverpill @light Using *character* count to limit *tags* is really effin' stupid, especially given that you could just limit the number of tags if you cared about that. Doing it by character count is, like...you could do this in nginx already anyway. It's really stupid.
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      > No doubt. Most ambitious things worth doing are.

      It's an ambitious *PR campaign*. The fact that it's difficult to do and that things worth doing are also difficult to do doesn't imply that it is worth doing.

      You do what you want, you know, but the only thing that matters is whether or not they can stop you. They can't stop me.

      > If people avoided uphill battles

      If people *didn't* avoid wasting time and energy on shit that doesn't matter, we'd be extinct.

      > the IDF's genocide

      I JUST LOVE

      WHEN PEOPLE DRAG ISRAEL INTO THE THREAD

      BECAUSE THAT NEVER CAUSES AN ARGUMENT ON FEDI

      Here: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/ . Consider it a supplement to "Geeks, MOPs, and Sociopaths", and then round it off by watching the BBS documentary.

      In closing, normies delenda est. @p locuta est.
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      > uphill battle trying to get normies to care or to stop being shitty

      No doubt. Most ambitious things worth doing are.

      If people avoided uphill battles, the US would still be (openly) enslaving black people, South Africa would still have Apartheid, and most people would still have an islampaphobic view of the IDF's genocide, where the Palestinians are getting their just rewards for being mean to Middle Eastern Jews (which they weren't).

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      > A tolerant society is what it says on the tin.

      "These words mean different things to different people. What do you mean when you use the term?"
      'I mean what the term says.'

      It's like "nazis", you know, someone says "That guy's a Nazi" and you have to ask what the hell the guy means by that--does he like authoritarianism, or specifically Hitler's version, or specifically Hitler, or does he hate Jews, or does he just mean that the guy voted for Hillary instead of Bernie, or did he just see him use a slur once and he's inferred beliefs? I have seen *all* of those meanings attached to the word "nazi" and I don't really care what words a person uses to get their meaning across as long as I know what they mean when they use those words.

      > That *includes* tolerating a minority who hold onto intolerant views, in the hopes that the various factors that generate such intolerance can be understood and alleviated.

      Well, sure, but which things count as intolerance and what is tolerance? Which things should be tolerated? Have you tolerated someone if you've tried to alter their views?

      People treat a tolerant society as a good one, but some people have a view of tolerance that doesn't sound good. I think, you know, as long as people can go about their business without the coercive use of force, no matter how weird or unpopular their business is, that's tolerant.

      > Why do you ask?

      Mainly the discussion of the paradox of tolerance introduced some ambiguity.
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      > What do you mean when you use that term?

      A tolerant society is what it says on the tin. One in which there is tolerance of difference. That *includes* tolerating a minority who hold onto intolerant views, in the hopes that the various factors that generate such intolerance can be understood and alleviated.

      Why do you ask?

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      > Using *character* count to limit *tags* is really effin' stupid

      Why? What serious problem(s) are caused by doing it this way?

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      @strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @silverpill @light For one thing, short names on short instances producing short tags. They've enshrined as behavior some half-assed incorrect encoding of the *intended* behavior and this is how you end up with crusty, shitty behavior that is *mandated* because otherwise it doesn't *work*.

      This is why Mastodon should be completely ignored by protocol implementors: they want to be the Mastodon Network, fine, let them. Stop letting them stomp on protocol design because someone on a jithub issue whined until someone did the dumbest fucking implementation that solved half of the wrong problem. It is time to cut them loose.
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      > All the examples I listed could be dismissed in that way, and even more so before they succeeded.

      All of the things you mentioned remain contentious issues, not settled matters of public opinion.

      At any rate, my point was that you feel free to try to win the normies' hearts and minds: I'm not going to stop you. But I would like to convince you that it is fruitless (though you do not seem inclined to agree; that is fine, I don't push, I'm not interested in PR campaigns or advocacy but I think for your own sake you should tell the normies to fuck themselves). I do find it moderately insulting that you default to their opinion being the frame of reference; I think this is misguided because it will cause you problems but I think being called a spergy retard is *less* insulting than the presupposition that a thing is not real until the normies agree, so I'd like to convince you to stop that presupposition, but I am also not really going to try too hard at that, either. I do think you should not try to police the rest of us spergy retards on the grounds that normies might get the wrong idea; I intend to ignore any such concerns and it's irritating to hear them brought up, not least of all because the presupposition that it matters what they think is incorrect. They are defective: LLMs demonstrated this. But that doesn't matter: what matters is you're trying to squeeze reciprocity from a stone that hates you, and you will not get reciprocity from them by letting them decide the game and then playing by the rules that they have constructed specifically to constrain you.

      > Read it. Agree it's insightful.

      I like it; I think it is a reasonable piece to bring up for discussions of scope creep.
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      > It's an ambitious *PR campaign*

      All the examples I listed could be dismissed in that way, and even more so before they succeeded.

      > I JUST LOVE WHEN PEOPLE DRAG ISRAEL INTO THE THREAD

      I'm presuming I'm in sensible company here, in which no one will object to a simple statement of fact about how majority perceptions have changed. Am I wrong?
      http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/

      Read it. Agree it's insightful.

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      > don't really care what words a person uses to get their meaning across as long as I know what they mean when they use those words

      Meanings are not inherent in words, but endowed on them by usage. So I'm not sure how else one could sensibly use language.

      > Have you tolerated someone if you've tried to alter their views?

      Yes, of course, as long as you haven't tried to alter them with coercion. Tolerance is not necessarily acceptance.

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      > Meanings are not inherent in words, but endowed on them by usage. So I'm not sure how else one could sensibly use language.

      Sure, but this is why I say things like "I don't like that term" or "I don't use that term" rather than trying to police someone's use of the term. I say "people" instead of "users" when discussing FSE, for example, and I bristle a little when admins say "my users" instead of "people using my instance" or "people on this instance" or something. I don't like when people call LLMs "AI", because they do not model knowledge, they're just really good at predicting which word comes next. I'm comfortable saying "Don't call it that" when it's a term that has meaning in my profession and then is used sloppily but that's an uphill battle. People used to refer to the box the monitor plugs into as a "CPU" or a "hard drive", and these are incorrect uses of the term because there's not an agreed-upon colloquial use.

      People refer to an obsession with detail as "autism" and I don't argue with them. I've got the 'tism and my 'tism flares up and I start taking things apart or trying to analyze systems or gibbering wildly about whatever (usually computers or the CIA or something; someone sends me a Youtube link and I used to dump six paragraphs about Google at them but I do that a little less now) and that is something that can probably be ascribed to mild autism, but they're using the world colloquially, same way "bastard" is used colloquially.

      > Yes, of course, as long as you haven't tried to alter them with coercion. Tolerance is not necessarily acceptance.

      In the sense that an evangelist tolerates a non-believer, perhaps. But living and letting live is a different thing from persistent attempts to shape someone else; I think it crosses the line from tolerance to soft-intolerance if you persist too much or if you attempt to influence without accepting that you may be wrong yourself. Not saying that's you, just saying I'd call those intolerant; this is one of my complaints about the topic from the beginning of the thread, people with opaque agendas that pretend to engage but are actually just pushing. The issue is summed up by this attempt at dissecting the end of Usenet and a proposal for a future system ( https://archive.is/vJaEG ):

      > Conversations became one man with one microphone attached to a thousand megaphones, and replying was like talking back to the national news broadcast, because you could reply to a shill, but the man giving the shill her script was not listening, because he was running a hundred similar shills, and his shill would just stick to her script, the script he had assigned to her no matter what you replied to her script.
      > Her replies to your reply would be unresponsive, because they came from a script written by a man who had never thought about or foreseen your reply.
      > Conversations came to resemble the conversations you have with a non player character in a video game, a scripted robotic simulation of actual conversation, or the conversations on a help line with an unhelpful third world help line worker to whom English is a second language, and who is reading from a script, a script written by a man whose native tongue is English, but his script is designed to deal with certain common problems that do not in the slightest resemble the problem you have with the product, because the man writing her script did not foresee your problem.
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      > This is why Mastodon should be completely ignored by protocol implementors

      Ignoring what the implementation used by the vast majority of people in the network is not how protocol standardisation works. But you do you.

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      > Guess not. Moving on ...

      Unless it's a DM, Israel is a third rail and the internet is not reasonable.
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      > I'm presuming I'm in sensible company here

      Guess not. Moving on ...

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      @strypey @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill Now, the third rail:

      > All the examples I listed could be dismissed in that way

      No, slavery in the US ended because of a war, not a PR campaign. The PR campaign to end it was a spectacular failure because Cash Rules Everything Around You. A lot of people say a lot of things about what happened and who started it and the Civil War and slavery. Here it is, https://civilwarcauses.org/judah-farewell.htm .

      > most people would still have an islampaphobic view of the IDF's genocide

      This is the most circular: "if the PR campaign to change people's opinions hadn't succeeded, then people wouldn't have changed their opinions".

      > I'm presuming I'm in sensible company here

      Sir, you have mentioned Israel on the Internet. Of course you can presume that everyone will be sensible: no one treats Israel emotionally and only sophisticated and rigorously honest interlocutors ever jump into threads on the internet. Threads are *never* derailed by people that care very much about Israel and that will shit all over any other topic just because they saw someone mention Israel. Israel is definitely not one of fedi's Third Rails.

      I know one of the babka.social admins and *they*, a *Jewish* instance, essentially allllllll the way on the other side of fedi from FSE in the farthest corners, cannot manage to keep people from losing their entire shit when Israel is mentioned. 75% of all UN resolutions that mention at least one polity by name mention either Israel or Palestine, because *diplomats* cannot manage to keep their opinions about Israel in their pants.

      Everyone on earth is very angry at either Israel or Palestine and they all feel it is very important that everyone else on earth have exactly the same opinion.

      > a simple statement of fact about how majority perceptions have changed

      A "statement of fact" doesn't include characterizations: public opinion has shifted away from Israel due to astroturfing; public opinion before was strongly pro-Israel due to astroturfing. These are facts. "It's a genocide. It's islamophobic." These are characterizations, not facts.
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      > Ignoring what the implementation used by the vast majority of people in the network is not how protocol standardisation works.

      Neither is allowing them to dictate the protocol by letting them ignore the process and then forcing other implementers to play catch-up. At some point, you just let them do whatever and give them "best effort as long as it's not too much of a pain in the ass".

      > But you do you.

      I can't be stopped.
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      > Slavery is illegal in the US.

      Because of a war, not a PR campaign.

      > These are facts.

      That public opinion on Israel has shifted is a fact; that it is a genocide is a characterization.

      Geopolitics is amoral. Trying to use terms associated with morality to describe it is about as useful as describing a computer as evil.

      > People's opinions on these facts are neither here nor there.

      My point, yes. Nihil est incertius volgo.
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      > All of the things you mentioned remain contentious issues, not settled matters of public opinion

      Slavery is illegal in the US. The SA Apartheid regime was defeated. Public opinion on the IDF genocide has shifted. These are facts. People's opinions on these facts are neither here nor there.

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      Slavery is not illegal in the US when the slave is someone like a free beer extremist who is incarcerated.

      Public opinion on the idf doesn't matter. Material actions are what change history. Only Iran took action against Israel and it's not working out too well for them.
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      >It is time to cut them loose.

      It is becoming clear that this is not going to happen. Just look at the list of "Consent-respecting quote posts" implementers: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/044f/fep-044f.md#implementations

      Pleroma is next: https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma/pulls/7875

      I don't think it will be any different with FASPs and encryption.

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      @phnt @fish @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @light i do think fedi in general is a failure and nostr is technically more competent. my only meaningful complaint is that type codes should have been strings. they still could become strings given json supports that.

      the fact that there is a range of service options over there (some discord-likes, some twitter-likes, some IRC-likes and even a whatcd style invitation pyramid server) that all mostly just do the thing is kind of damning.
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      @strypey @p @icedquinn @fish @sampler @silverpill @light Eventually that will be the case when they decide to do something dumb. A good example of what is to come is the quote "consent" they decided to do. Nobody but Mastodon cared to implement it fully yet and those that implemented it, implemented it partially so quotes actually work and plan to use the "consent" revocation differently than what Mastodon wants.

      If they make a change that causes a full on network split that is hard to deal with, few developers would care enough to fix it I think. Same with ActivityPub 2.0 being backwards incompatible. Before this thread I genuinely don't remember the last time I had a pleasant interaction with someone using Mastodon that isn't from this Fediverse part. Loosing Mastodon means nothing to me.

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      [1]: https://willowprotocol.org/
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      @icedquinn @p @silverpill False sense of security, that's what the spec does.

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      @phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @p @strypey @light Good to know that you're against fully supporting Masto-quotes. But I don't see a meaningful opposition anywhere in the network. Like, what's the plan? Let Mastodon/W3C do their thing until incompatibilities accumulate and the network splits? That's exactly what they want, to defederate "problematic" implementations into a tiny echo chamber.

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      https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma/pulls/7875

      This does not implement anything meaningful in the spec and only makes quotes work on Mastodon (because they even fucked up that which worked for years before their attempt).

      Trust me when I say that if the proper workflow as envisioned by Mastodon gets implemented in Pleroma, it gets patched out by most larger Pleroma instances almost immediately. Myself included, so if Nicole doesn't make it a toggle, I will. Nobody but Mastodon wants this, and I don't want the Twitter copy of hidden replies either.

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      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @p @strypey @light Nostr but human readable? That's FEP-ae97

      I was able to get it working (for the most part): https://codeberg.org/silverpill/minimitra

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      Once again, the fediverse communities find ourselves in chaos. How we handle this will determine whether the fediverse survives and thrives, or whether it splits into an archipeligo of island regimes, whose members aren't allowed to talk to each other anymore.

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      Importantly, Peck points out that this is not a one-off process, but one that recurs, over and over again, for as long as a community exists. Sooner or later community always drifts back into pseudo-community, conflict arises and chaos ensues. Successful, long-lasting communities are those whose members get good at recognising this when it occurs, and leading the group through emptiness, and back to community.

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      My favourite section of The Different Drum lays out 4 stages in the life cycle of community;

      * pseudocommunity - everyone is on their best behaviour

      * chaos - conflict arises and everyone tries to escape it, mainly by blaming everyone else

      * emptiness - everyone lets go of their preconceptions, ideological impositions, judgements of others, and so on. Engaging with each other in the here and now.

      * community - conflict is resolved and genuine collective progress can be made

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      Which brings me to an author whose books might contain more actionable intelligence for us than Popper's; M. Scott Peck. Peck is best known for the self-help book The Road Less Traveled (1978). But the pair of books that interest me here were published in the 1980s; People of the Lie (1983) and The Different Drum (1987).

      People of the Life is all about sociopaths. How to identify and defend ourselves against them, both personally and collectively. Different Drum is about community.

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      If we don't acknowledge the reality of our situation, and come up with some carefully delimited ways to be just evil enough to eject sociopaths (or at least identify and defang them), then we are lambs to the slaughter.

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      The very existence of the fediverse is an existential threat to the source of DataFarmers' wealth. This in itself made us a target for all manner of sociopaths from day 0.

      But now we're also a threat to the technofascists ability to manufacture consent at scale, and to sow division between the various political factions and subcultures to whom their technofascism is an existential threat. So we're now a target for a whole new range of sociopaths.

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      So having laid out the geo-historical context, let's bring all this back to the fediverse.

      We are, amongst other things, a movement against DataFarming platforms, which have always been tools of capitalists and corporatists. That makes us, by definition, enemies of the technofascist alliance between capitalists - including the richest men in the world who almost all own DataFarming platforms - centre-right politicians, and actual fascists.

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      In the face of this, capitalists did what they always do when they panic, and formed an alliance with the only people willing to be their stormtroopers against both the pro-democracy movement and establishment liberalism; actual fascists.

      Pretty much *exactly* the same set of circumstances that led to the events of the 1940s, in which Karl Popper wrote The Open Society and Its Enemies.

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      But this technofeudalist alliance broke the last vestiges of the neo-liberal alliance between the centre-right (moderate conservatives and technocratic liberals). Ending the decades-long consensus among the political class that JPB was right and the net was best left to self-regulate. Leading to stuff like the Christchurch Call.

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      Capital had held onto centralised power worldwide since the deal made with aristocracies in the 1600s, and the creation of the corporation. See @Rushkoff's Life Inc. book for details of that history.

      Capitalists needed a way to defend against the existential threat posed by the free internet and the new waves of democratisation movements it had enabled. So they entered into a technofeudalist alliance with SillyCon Valley (already infested with capitalists), to manage public opinion.

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      But the pro-democracy movements came back with a vengance after the Arab Spring. Whatever we might think of that particular set of movements, there's no question that it inspired radicals to return to pro-democracy campaigning. Starting with the Indignados in Spain, Occupy and its offshoots (including ours in Aotearoa), the Umbrella movement in HK, the Sunshine movement in Taiwan, and the Pirate Parties in the EU. Particular in Iceland, after the Pots and Pans uprising.

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      The corporatists responded with 9/11 and the US-led invasion of the Middle East, based on the necon plan laid out in reports by Project for a New American Century;

      https://militarist-monitor.org/profile/project_for_the_new_american_century/

      As well as erecting a new layer of US secret police, starting with the PATRIOT Act, and the creation of the US Department of Homeland Security (under which ICE operates).

      This was a pretty effective distraction for pro-democracy groups, who mostly took the bait and pivoted to the antiwar movements.

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      > it was spoken with the very real and ongoing concern throughout time of people rotting democracy back in to dictatorships

      Like now. Notably in the US and UK, but also in various other liberal democracies. Some historical context;

      The late 1990s began a process of deepening the democratic revolution, in response to the state-corporate system brought into place by the corporatist movement whose goals are articulated in the Powell Memo;

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      @strypey jeez man get a pleroma account
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      > fedi (and void screaming platforms in general)

      Using fedi as a void-screaming platform is a mistake; that doesn't stop Masto but it is a way to make yourself miserable using the platform and also a way to make the platform suck.

      > i'll say something about compiler errors or whatever and people ignore the OP and dive in to shit about the jews

      Sure, that sucks. That is a matter of shitty people using a good platform and there is no way to hack around that.
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      > i don't really get the point of what that spec is meant to do.

      :terrymad: Quote-posts are the cancer that is killing /b/
      :mastodon: But we have to make them because otherwise we're forcing marginalized people to take screenshots if they want to be passive-aggressive at a thread.

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      :mastodon: Just whatever
      :npc: [takes screenshots of consent-disrespecting quote-tweets]
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      > Just look at the list of "Consent-respecting quote posts" implementers

      You don't have to spend much effort convincing me that people keep spreading their cheeks for the Masterdong; I think they should not and intend to not do so myself.
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      > fedi in general is a failure and nostr is technically more competent

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      >Myself included, so if Nicole doesn't make it a toggle, I will. Nobody but Mastodon wants this, and I don't want the Twitter copy of hidden replies either.

      That is not to say that I hate the "feature" completely. To me Pleroma is about choice, so if the Mastodon way™ is implemented (which it probably will), I don't have a problem with it as long as it is an optional feature, because clearly someone wants it. Same way signed fetch is a toggle. Doesn't really matter which way. Disabling it in the backend and returning revoked/non-approved quotes as normal instead of some "hidden" field in MastoAPI, or having a toggle in the frontend that makes "hidden" quotes the normal ones.
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      @p @silverpill proper forum platforms do deal with it, though. zulip lets people self-set topics and moderators can forcibly re-change topics. forums had pinpoint delete or migrate to new threads. threaded presentations also let you cut off and ignore a branch thats not relevant.

      mastodon't is inherently a void screaming platform.
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      > "We must not claim to prevent what we cannot prevent." (Many fediverse developers don't understand this.)

      No, this is explicitly the approach. "People think followers-only posts can't ever be seen by non-followers so we need to hack around it because otherwise we'll get cancelled by Are0h." Many such cases. Sad!
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      > Like, what's the plan? Let Mastodon/W3C do their thing until incompatibilities accumulate and the network splits?

      They are not meaningfully a part of the fediverse at this point. They have made a Twitter. It is no longer a platform that you use to communicate with friends: it is a broadcast-only circle-jerk and when it fails to be a broadcast-only circle-jerk people that want to "control the experience" and that can't distinguish between startup dipshittery and tech built by people to communicate with each other. Look at the early posts by the hachyderm dipshit, that guy's like "Oh, this isn't going to work, we have to eject these people and we have to make it advertiser-friendly because if we don't then fedi will never replace Twitter!" I don't want to replace Twitter with a shitty clone of Twitter: I want to replace Twitter with something good.

      I intend to have a platform to communicate with friends and strangers. I don't really care if Mastodon decides to create a desert and call it peace. They have fundamentally different goals. Nobody complained when Gab fucked off (and they were, in many cases, fucked off before that: https://pastebin.com/E0k5fcd6 ), but somehow Mastodon is important? Go look at what they're putting onto the network: https://mastodon.social/explore .
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      The nice thing about quote retweets is they let people repost without necessarily putting it in on their timeline. If your account is followers only and all your posts are followers only but you retweet public posts there is still data leaking.


      Pleroma slept on the implementing quote retweet, so I even though it took Mastodon like 6 years to add them, it's our punishment that we need to stick with their way of doing them because we dropped the ball.
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      @silverpill @icedquinn @fish @sampler @p @strypey @light The Fediverse part I care about does not include Mastodon as I've said above. I loose almost nothing if they stop federating tomorrow. So if they want to split from me into some normie mainstream network, their loss, I didn't care anyway. This Fediverse will continue to exist and arguably be better without them.

      But to answer your question properly in the perspective of someone helping with server development and not a user, I've been vocal about the issues with new proposals as you've probably seen many times already and I will continue to do so. But it's not like someone at Mastodon actually cares about criticism, they are the GNOME of this network. W3C is a different beast and so far has been focused on things nobody cares about (C2S and OAuth2 discovery for C2S). If they decide to do something stupid, like pushing more JSON-LD, I've been also vocal about that, but not like I can do much than that when Evan blocked me over the grant disagreement and he's mostly the one running the show. @a is the only one sane there even with the JSON-LD enthusiasm. So far they only introduced E2EE which is still half-baked and not a proper spec anyway (key distribution is missing completely), while being something very few will care about I think. If you want E2EE messaging, just use XMPP or one of the other 5+ apps for it.

      If incompatibilities arise, like the quotes one, they will get fixed eventually like I've done previously with other servers. The quote issue has been very down on my list of things to do and I didn't have a good idea of how to fix the UX, so that's why I didn't touch it at all. But if the incompatibilities are too big, at some point you have to stop making excuses for the bully and just cut them off. They can't act like the sole arbitrator of the network/protocol and everyone keep bowing to them. In that way, the hidden quotes is a similar hijack to what they did with the subject/description field. Taking what they made and altering it to something they don't want.

      At worst, you can always take ap-next, add some FEPs, strip JSON-LD and call it LitePub 1.0.
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      > The Fediverse part I care about does not include Mastodon

      SECONDED

      > So if they want to split from me into some normie mainstream network, their loss, I didn't care anyway.

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      > This Fediverse will continue to exist and arguably be better without them.

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      > At worst, you can always take ap-next, add some FEPs, strip JSON-LD and call it LitePub 1.0.

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      @icedquinn @fish @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @light The way Nostr is designed as a protocol is way better than what ActivityPub is and I don't mean the transport/federation part of it. And you can't fix ActivityPub without breaking some backwards compatibility. But hindsight is 20/20.
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      > I think QRTs are stupid and if anything I'd gut them out

      So, my suggestion for this was just "If an object[type:"Note"] is linked to in a post, the server can determine this by doing a very fast lookup of the object URL and then decorate it with metadata the same way that replies and quote-posts are decorated with metadata and the frontend can decide if it feels like displaying it as an inline quote or an abridged inline quote". This makes it easy to use them in frontends that don't support quote-posts (you just put the /objects/ URL in), it's performant (every single backend, even mine, has a really fast "Does this object exist anywhere?" lookup, because they all have to), and then support for creating them can be as easy in the frontend as it is currently: you just put the quote-posted URL at the end of the post. I will probably end up doing this, at least on the backend and on FediBBS; I might add it to FSE's Pleroma-BE and the patches will be public.
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      > If your account is followers only and all your posts are followers only but you retweet public posts there is still data leaking.

      I'd be cool to give people more fine-grained control of scopes at the user-level, and I don't think anyone can force you to federate an RT, but there's no foolproof way to solve "data leaking" when something has to leave its origin. Superficial ways of making things not show up might be enough to satisfy most people: personally I'd like it if I didn't have to look at one-sided conversations on my timeline because it's private and I don't follow everyone involved. But people are bound to complain when they find out something doesn't *really* work the way they expected it to. And that's what's going to happen with Mastodon's proposal.

      > it's our punishment that we need to stick with their way of doing them because we dropped the ball.

      I don't like the idea of being punished over a feature I never liked anyway. I think QRTs are stupid and if anything I'd gut them out, but I get this is mostly a culture-clash between people who treat fedi to varying degrees more like Twitter and people who don't. But at least QRTs as they are now work exactly the way you'd expect them to, and Mastodon wants to do something else that won't.
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      @sicp @icedquinn @fish @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @light Just the fact that people complain about leaking data on this network is proof that trying to prevent it is a never ending battle. Truth is, you cannot enforce what is effectively DRM on your posts in this network, this network is purely operated on implied trust everybody puts on all instance administrators without even thinking about it.

      https://evilmaid.net/blog/trusting-trust-fediverse/index.html

      Also related to more scopes, Pleroma develop now support scoping of repeats ported from Akkoma. IMHO a dumb feature that shouldn't exist, but to each their own.

      >But people are bound to complain when they find out something doesn't *really* work the way they expected it to.

      Once again, "We must not claim to prevent what we cannot prevent." Warnings that posts may leak when trying to compose a lockpost or a DM are the only solution to that. Users will freak out, but that's the reality. You cannot lie yourself out of reality.
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      > Truth is, you cannot enforce what is effectively DRM on your posts in this network

      YOU ARE ON A FUCKING ROLL
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      > threaded presentations also let you cut off and ignore a branch thats not relevant.

      This is mostly a frontend problem. "Fuck this subthread" should be a per-user deal. Webshits don't know how anything worked before Jesus "Google" Christ came from the sky to give them goddamn AJAX and they can't do shit about shit. Mail clients solved this and you don't need to implement it on the SMTP/IMAP backend, you put it in the client and let the client do killfiles. Even shitty email clients can deal with loading 1,000-message threads and displaying them at once: how many fedi clients can show you 100 posts at a time without making both the backend and the browser chug nuts?

      > mastodon't is inherently a void screaming platform.

      The solution to this is to not use Mastodong.
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      >mastodon't is inherently a void screaming platform.
      Mostly because Twitter is also that and Mastodon wants to be Twitter. You can't have a meaningful discussion in 500 chars, because it limits your expression into sentences with keywords more than a proper way of typing out your thoughts. Or you are forced to do 🧵1/♾ like has been the case in this thread. People made virtual thread composers that let you write a post and then convert it to 🧵1/♾ once you are finished. And people made the inverse for people that are used to writing 🧵1/♾.

      Doesn't help that 🧵1/♾ people should at some point just write a blogpost, because nobody is reading a twenty reply thread.
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      > https://evilmaid.net/blog/trusting-trust-fediverse/index.html

      Good writeup.

      > Also related to more scopes, Pleroma develop now support scoping of repeats ported from Akkoma. IMHO a dumb feature that shouldn't exist, but to each their own.

      Neat. I also think it's dumb but I figured it's the kind of thing people'd want anyway. People can do dumb things as long as I don't have to join them (QRTs, private posts)

      > You cannot lie yourself out of reality.

      Again as long as I don't have to, if they want to screw everyone else out for choosing not to drink the kool-aid then I say let them: I share the sentiment if there was a big netsplit I can't imagine shedding any tears; nobody can make me upgrade anyway and I think its funny there's an overtone on their side of a netsplit being a worst-case scenario whereas over here most people are indifferent to the idea.
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      > because nobody is reading a twenty reply thread.

      But they *are* reposting it because it's Important.
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      @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light That sounds good, I figured you could achieve something to that effect with an MRF but I don't know how to write those. Do tag me if you do it so I can shove it into FBE.
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       (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Friday, 24-Apr-2026 19:27:26 JST  
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      @sicp @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @light QRTs aren't actually QRTs, it's just a field in object you can set to an existing post ID. Useful for attaching old posts in the middle of the thread in a way that makes them federate and also saves a click if your frontend supports this. I just added a quote ID field in my bloat fork's post for for that.

      RT: https://cum.salon/objects/d51b838e-3357-4b34-83f9-c40f0248cc67
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      > I figured you could achieve something to that effect with an MRF

      It's a little farther into the post ingestion than MRF; I think you could do it with an MRF, though.

      > but I don't know how to write those.

      It is really easy if you look at your instance's Noop MRF.

      > Do tag me if you do it so I can shove it into FBE.

      I promise to attempt to remember to tag you but I am terrible at remembering who thought a thing was a good idea when I write something.
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      @mint @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @light > QRTs aren't actually QRTs, it's just a field in object you can set to an existing post ID.

      Yeah and I mean, that's how I'd expect them to work and they should work; anything more complicated than that is just flouride.

      > Useful for attaching old posts in the middle of the thread in a way that makes them federate and also saves a click if your frontend supports this.

      And that's a fine and good use for it, my dissatisfaction just stems from how they're socially used to drag in retarded twitter bullshit.

      > I just added a quote ID field in my bloat fork's post for for that.

      Cool. I might merge that into my fork whenever I actually get to making one. (I've got a very long list of things to put in it.)
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      @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light Pressing F for gab federation tbh.
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      @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Nothing of value was lost.

      There was a lot of the same hand-wringing: "they're the most active instance!" and it's like...do you want to see that activity? For at least a month, the *majority* of their activity was a single account that posted three times per second. I saw the bot, killed the bot, could not tell Gab about the bot because Gab blocked FSE. (Gleason was working at Gab at the time, I told Gleason and offered to help Gab quell the bot problem and told him to pass along the offer to Colbert; Gleason agreed but Colbert says Gleason never relayed the message. At the time, it was in my own interest to stop the flood at the source because Gab was essentially DoSing FSE by constantly flooding us with bot shit. I got to do k-means and come up with interesting ways to automatically detect bots, I was having fun.)

      And now it's handwringing, what if we lose Mastodon? What *if*? They're as bad as the Gablins. There are people using fedi to communicate and there are people using fedi to broadcast and try to push their agenda and, you know, fuck the latter category.
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      @KLVAnt @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal "What if fedi is less popular?", they post on the eighth least-popular platform on earth.
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      >"they're the most active instance!"
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      What a day that was. My whole mentality expired :robcolbertsmile:
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      That should be on a T-shirt.
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      @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light I've been telling torba for years killing federation was a mistake but I suspect he got ordered to do so by the feds
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      @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey The main issue with federation was that Gab was cramming shit in that no one wanted and they had the clunkiest UI (which Gleason turned into Soapbox, which is still the worst fedi UI) so they were bleeding users into fedi. They had to cut it off to stop people from going "I can still talk to my friends but I don't have to use Gab?" and hopping to a sane instance. Regular shit on fedi was a "pro" feature on Gab, they were suffering massive downtime, they botched federation (by putting Gab on as many relays as would take them, so they were spending all their bandwidth delivering bot posts to the rest of fedi) and they covered it in ads for whatever low-rent hustle Torba was doing. They expected that they could use fedi to get people to join Gab, based on the way they were talking, and when it went the other direction, they had to kill federation.
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      @sicp @fish @icedquinn @light @p @phnt @silverpill @strypey

      If I can just take a screen shot or copy/paste your tweet I don't see the problem with having a QRT system that does the same thing.

      Let's just go the middle ground and have a QRT system that ignores consent.

      Consent is just a legal fiction anyway. What's next, people can retroactively retract consent?

      Sounds like something mastodongers would go crazy over....
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      Hey I'm in the third comic! But the gostse is gone!
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      @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @light

      The point I am trying to make is not about Mastodon specifically. It's about network effects. I believe that in case of a network split almost all developers and users will defect to the Mastodon side, even those who are making fun of Mastodon today.

      It's not going to be like Gab.

      Of course, this situation is mostly theoretical, I don't expect it to happen within the next 2-3 years. And obviously, I don't think that we should be especially concerned about being cut off from the Mastodon Network. I am talking about building a viable alternative.

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      “For at least a month, the *majority* of their activity was a single account that posted three times per second. I saw the bot, killed the bot, could not tell Gab about the bot because Gab blocked FSE.”

      Gab used to have a bot account called “jsheistydiety” that posts hi-res screenshots of low res boomer memes at multiple times per minute. And it had a comped yellow circle during imagocaust 2024.

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      > Gab used to have a bot account called “jsheistydiety” that posts hi-res screenshots of low res boomer memes at multiple times per minute.

      So, that's something I saw; I suspected that the Gab Trends was gamed so I did some analysis but it was really difficult to get some sort of clean view of Gab Trends (clickwrapping plus downtime plus their shit was difficult for both humans and bots to read). But I found this group of accounts that would all post the same set of Pepes and then randomly they would post the same link as all the others did, and then that link would show up on Gab Trends.

      There was some recipe bot that would shit recipes scraped from recipe sites and the guy was claiming to be a Vietnam War sniper (his account was something like "sniperss"), right, a member of a unit that didn't exist during the Vietnam War, and now he's a "hotel chef" and he purported to be posting his own recipes but he wasn't even using the same units consistently; his top posts were all spelled and punctuated properly but his replies were all weird shit definitely not written by an American and he'd end them with "thank you,,david", weird shit. So I noticed a lot of accounts had that pattern, their top-level posts were

      The most reliable indicator was that the bots would engage in some really easy-to-analyze behavior: they'd post uniformly around the clock (humans sleep), the overwhelming majority of their activities would be posts/reposts. That is, very few likes and very few replies to people that didn't tag them, very few follow/unfollow/block; this is expected of spambots, right, they aren't going to put any effort into something that doesn't put something on your screen, but they would reply when you interacted with them because it's worth their time to evade detection. So their replies read like they were written by offshore clickfarm dudes, like someone was running a few hundred bot accounts and then they'd send the replies to some sort of centralized place, right, like so they could reply "no im not bot" or "thank you,,david". You could plausibly run a massive farm like that, like several hundred accounts per guy. (They didn't have an obvious commercial interest, so it's possible that people were right with their suspicion that Gab was using clickfarms to look more active than it was.)

      But the behavior made it easy to detect them: I wrote a little script that would look at all of the activity an account did, look at the ratio of normal activity to broadcast-style activity and how flat their activity was over 24 hours, and then draw a sparkline graph so I could visually inspect. This was really helpful for identifying bots, no ML stuff required even. And then once that was easy to do, I could do k-means clustering to see who was following them, and I iced about a hundred accounts on FSE that had posted just gibberish or nothing at all but were following only Gab spambot accounts. (I hated the spam and it actually cost me money by forcing me to upgrade boxes on Frantech, but it was fun to come up with bot-detection stuff.)

      > And it had a comped yellow circle during imagocaust 2024.

      I don't know what that is, like I heard something had to do with making image-posting a "Pro" feature, but I also don't really have any interest in Gab except where they intersected with fedi.
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      Quote posting is for dysgenic people. So I don’t think it should exist.

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      @Leyonhjelm @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I have never seen it get regular use for anything besides drama/bullshit/engagement-whoring.
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      I didn’t care what they thought before and that isn’t changing now

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      @Leyonhjelm @p @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey zogbots quoting stuff is like throwing up the bat signal to call for help when they're getting trolled. Or for whatever reason they want to promote stuff, but they can't just use repost - I need my comments on top instead so I can play theater kid. This post was actually about me, it's mine now.
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      @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey

      > Gab was under intense pressure to be able to stay online after multiple hosts deplatformed them over allowing total free speech

      "Complete freedom of speech unless it is anime or you ask questions about glowies or you notice how many bots there are or you are FSE, which is a hive of subversive neonazis and communists, or you point out a hole in Epik's VPN or you investigate Gab's finances or you point out that deleting your account silently fails if you have been verified."

      They weren't kicked off for freedom of speech. They were kicked off because they antagonized literally everyone in order to prop up the persecution story. I met Utsav--having a PR guy that couldn't stop saying gamer words to journalists when they declined to go to his hotel room was a really stupid move to begin with--and half the sentences that come out of his mouth start with "We must fight the". They fork Mastodon and their announcement is them shitting on Mastodon. They fork Brave and they shit on Brave in the announcement. They were insular when they weren't antagonizing literally everyone. The only reason anyone heard of Gab was that there was a "left-wing bias in the tech press and Silicon Valley" thing going around in 2015 and so after Torba had Gab built, he started spamming an HN networking board (that is, a private board for people that had been HN-funded startup founders at some point) with "BUILD THE WALL I HOPE YOU ALL GET DEPORTED TRUMP MAGA 2016" and ignoring "Please stop that, this is a business board, not a politics board" until he got banned. That is, he committed suicide by janny in order to have a hook to call up journos and go "They banned me just for being a Republican! That is why I am making my own Twitter that doesn't have the left-wing censorship" and do a bunch of interviews. Literally no one would have heard of Gab if that PR push hadn't succeeded and that was the only move in his playbook: he shits on people so that he can complain about their reactions. It gets attention but it ensures that he has no friends, so when the social justice pitchforks come out (because he spends time antagonizing them too), he has no one willing to say a word in his defense: if you're in a position to do something about it, Torba had either burned you or burned one of your friends.
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      @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light Gab was under intense pressure to be able to stay online after multiple hosts deplatformed them over allowing total free speech, aka criticism of zog, woke etc. Gab was a pilot program for the regime to eventually produce today's post-woke musk version of twitter. Free speech was winning the argument against the regime shills on gab so its federation was killed to recreate a scenario where gatekeeper guys could maintain authority.
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      @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light I applaud your anti spam efforts. I think ai spam was a bigger problem on gab in the past because they were trying to disguise the loss of users that killing federation represented. I can understand why gab today is being given the truth social treatment on modern fedi.

      Originally the dissent memes were on discord, and they only moved to gab once discord got taken over, so gab is now like a historical host for dissent content. The regime is going to promote mainstream twitter over alt twitters.

      This was the argument I had with graf which is that to survive as an alt twitter you have to have anti-regime moderation. Otherwise it's a step backwards into discord era. I'm defeded from poast because in my view they run things like a woke website and it's insincere spirit of dissent. Gab was basically a middle finger to trump, nobody was gatekeeping shit on there, the regime guys were just getting dog walked over and over again until they quit.
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      @Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey

      > so gab is now like a historical host for dissent content

      I went there for a few days in 2016 or 2017. I posted some images and then I wondered aloud how Gab was different from Twitter: Twitter was alleged by Jack and Biz to be "the free speech wing of the free speech party" and that was bullshit eventually. So then I saw this "Gab" thing and it was supposed to be like that but forreals this time and I checked it out and I wondered aloud, "How is this any different from Twitter? There's no real guarantee except a promise and we had that with Twitter and look how that turned out." and I got screamed at by some guy with a Bible quote in his bio and wraparound sunglasses in his avatar. I knew it was full of bots because years later, I started getting inundated with "StormGirl1488 has followed you". I didn't see any "dissent". I do know a lot of people that think ranting about Jews qualifies as dissent but I saw enough of that on fedi, I didn't need to go to another website to see that.

      > Originally the dissent memes were on discord

      Discord didn't exist when dissent memes were getting passed around.

      > I'm defeded from poast because in my view they run things like a woke website and it's insincere spirit of dissent.

      I'm not sure what this means, but before Poast arrived on fedi, people were accusing me of being "woke" or being "another Torba" and that shit didn't land on FSE and it doesn't land on Poast, though they're a little quicker with the block button. niggy (SAY HER NAME) hacked UMN and CUNY and lives on Poast and that's dissent (and a fun time).

      > Gab was basically a middle finger to trump

      Gab was shilling for Trump from its inception until Trump was unbanned from Twitter. I got those emails, too. I got the "Please beg President Trump to join Gab!" and then I got this one where the subject line was wishful clickbait:
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      "I don't know what that is, like I heard something had to do with making image-posting a "Pro" feature, but I also don't really have any interest in Gab except where they intersected with fedi."

      Basically, somebody paid for the jsheistydeity boomer bot's Pro feature, so it could continue spamming hi-res images (4k) of boomer low res memes (320x240 pixels).

      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal

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      Are you talking about bluesky
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      @sampler @fish @light @phnt @icedquinn @strypey @p I hope Bluesky buys Mastodon at some point. I don't see any reason for them to compete with each other.

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      @p @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey We went through all this effort to cancel-proof our anti-woke speech, and just because they killed torba's audience doesn't mean I have to listen to graf karen me about how to oppose zog. How many regime shills do you think I've fought with over the years online? He is nothing special, I've already surpassed a dozen others just like that.
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      @p @StarProphet @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey

      Dread compiled some pretty detailed analytics on Gab's "fake" userbase - was probably the biggest thing that contributed to him getting kicked.
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      @p @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I would also like to add that all my critiques of Epik proved founded as fuck the instant they suffered on of the worst hacks of the last 20 years....ditto that with Gab.

      I told both of those fucking clowns they had issues someone could drive a truck through.
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      ^This is pretty much the definitive Blab timeline.
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      @ins0mniak @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey That sounds like a pretty fun place.
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      @p @silverpill @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @strypey

      Like "hey ins0mniak you just downed a 40oz of bud ice....what's going on?"

      I just heard someone say shit like "user acquisition strategy"

      same thing happened in Clarendon. Cool hood, but a bunch of shitweasles put up a small plate restaurant charging people $500 a night or whatever. Point is if there aren't barfights, tiddies flashing at random and late night Korean joints...its not Clarendon. Said restaurant was chased the fuck out in less than 6 months.

      Point is: I chill in Clarendon as I suspect many on here would prefer and I don't want to chill in dainty limp wrist-ville
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      @silverpill @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @light

      > I believe that in case of a network split almost all developers and users will defect to the Mastodon side, even those who are making fun of Mastodon today.

      Almost all users are on Facebook or Twitter. Fedi is a tiny, tiny speck by comparison. "More users" doesn't mean "better fedi".

      :gnujihad: It is true that Gab didn't have a lot of hackers, but I've never heard someone discuss Pleroma's "user acquisition strategy".

      Numbers don't mean a lot if they're not qualified. If most of the webshits go to Mastodon and the weird hackers stick on the rest of fedi, the rest of fedi is where I'd like to be. Most developers are on Busky and Twitter. Most users are on Twitter. Facebook has more users than that.

      > It's not going to be like Gab.

      :gnujihad::smug2::blacksam:

      > I don't expect it to happen within the next 2-3 years.

      Sure. Bridge crossed when came to.

      > And obviously, I don't think that we should be especially concerned about being cut off from the Mastodon Network. I am talking about building a viable alternative.

      Then I'm not sure what you mean.

      I would like everyone that wants to be free to be free. I am less interested in trading that to accommodate a larger number of people. First thing, I intend to have a place for myself: I am going to be somewhere. There are people like me and I can be in the place with those people. There are people that want a place that is not like the place I want; I don't need to be in the same place as them.

      Monterey Park has some of the best Chinese food in the US. Wonderful place, fun to just wander around. There's nowhere quite like that area. So even after I moved up to Arcadia, when I went somewhere to eat, I'd usually go somewhere around Monterey Park, Alhambra. The city council in Monterey Park was trying to increase tax revenue by bringing in more franchises: they wanted an Applebee's and a TGI Friday's. This got shat on by the people that lived there because the reason they lived in Monterey Park was that it was Monterey Park. If it turned into Irvine or whatever, there'd be no reason to live in Monterey Park. And for people that didn't live there, there was a reason to go to Monterey Park: it was unique. There's no reason to go to Irvine (unless you want to see the world's first beige Walmart--city building codes, all buildings are beige, all signs are brown, so this was the first Walmart to not have a grey-blue facade and blue sign). But the Beijing Pie House was in Monterey Park. Late-night meat-skewers place I went to with fluffy. Hot pot places, tea shops, etc. Things unique to the western half of the San Gabriel Valley. So people that lived in Monterey Park didn't want it, people that visited Monterey Park didn't want it, but the city council did, because it was much more tax revenue than the noodle stands.

      Now, I left Twitter in 2016. At that point, it was largely carried by momentum, so I left later than I should have. All of the reasons I joined Twitter to begin with were present on fedi, and more: I could hack shit, I could talk to the other people that were hacking shit. Here we are: we wouldn't be having this conversation if we were just Twitter users. There's a reason to be on fedi: the hackers and artists and weirdos are here. I don't have a tenuous place, because I'm here as long as I run the pipes. That eliminates an entire class of reasons to second-guess myself when I speak. And everyone here is like that. No one's really worried about saying something that gets them shadowbanned. This is a unique and wonderful place. If glowies want to coopt it and use "but you can't diverge from *Mastodon*", I'm not budging a goddamn inch, and I'm going to encourage people that value fedi to do the same. "Shittier version of Twitter" isn't the network I joined. I have put money and time and work into fedi and Rochko and Gleason and Pincus and Kissane and Jaz-Michael King and Even Projomout and the rest of them can eat shit if they want to turn fedi into a worse hell than the one I left when I finally bailed on Twitter.

      So, that's my flag planted: :gnujihad:
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      @p @Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Yeah Gab courted Trump, and when the Trump campaign looked at their non-bot engagement/users laughed them outta the room.

      Torbu then made up some bullshit story about Trump wanting Blab censored and started barking about how freezepeach was under attack, begged for money, then set up a mirror that reposted every one of Fat Orange Carnie's CAPS RIDDLED tweets.

      Pepperidge Farm 'membas...
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      @phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal hey i made that fedi gab boomers meme a long time ago (it was edited from a "toot" meme posted by SJW/J at the time)
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      @Spooke @SilverDeth @Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I tagged like half the fuckin' glowieverse in that other post because they all block FSE before they even start up the server.
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      @SilverDeth @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal I gotta ask but does a majority of mastodon even see anything said on this side of the fediverse? I was under the assumption that they've probably blanket defederated a majority of instances or people on this side of the fedi anyways.
      I don't think anything changes too much in the event of a split at this point.
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      @SilverDeth @p @Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Everything that idiot says is a fucking lie lol.

      Dude he kept crashing the site because he and Rob knew fuck all about computer and he was legit blaming it on "Chinese state actors disrupting his massive political infuence"
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      @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey

      > gab vibe after getting purged by woke discord mods

      This is because if you cannot host something then you have made yourself a serf. I don't suggest it.
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      @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @p @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I miss the gab vibe after getting purged by woke discord mods one after another, we finally had a server that felt like it was /ourguys in charge. Of course you knew the mods were really fed connected, but the community culture was whole heartedly fuck the regime. Torba probably wanted Trump on board for business reasons, but the reality is team trump tried and failed to win over "groypers" and other alt right types on gab and eventually just gave up on trying. Now you have instances where every mod is a fed loyalist and you get banned for challenging them. You can just tell we're back to HR karen in charge. Everything promoted on twitter is astroturf slop, it doesn't feel real. Being able to go full edgelord was exciting and now it's just back to getting deplatformed.
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      @SilverDeth @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light I didn't really have any awareness of gab's spam behavior on other instances as one of their local users. There was a real lefty censorship problem at the time that you needed a no-ban server to combat. Now that twitter version 2 is around gab does not have much purpose anymore as a test ground, the gatekeeper paradigm has already been updated. If you tell fed loyalists to go fuck themselves, you get banned anywhere else, and you don't get banned on gab, but it's been made irrelevant since nobody is there anymore and you can't interact with anyone on the wider internet without federation.
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      @Spooke @Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @p @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey

      They probably don't see 90% of what we or I write. So it goes.

      Speaking personally, I'm not posting for reach, validation or recognition. I'm ranting to blow of steam and chilling with mutuals - people who I am constantly learning from.

      Frankly, my chief "hobby" is reading the musings of my carefully curated collection of techies, online racists, brilliant skitzos and hilarious shit-posters.

      "It t'ain't much, but it t'ain't nuthin' 'neiher."

      I might be, no exaggeration, one of the most blocked, shadow-banned and throttled people on the entire internet. I an so black-listed in the much benighted "real world" that re-entering any professional career in my field(s) is laughably impossible. (I am not allowed to fly on planes, and between 2006 and 2017 I was locked out of any bank except small credit unions).

      Whether I should be proud of that or not, I leave to each person's interpretation.

      But, to loop back to the beginning, if there was only me and my small google buried website screaming into the void to nobody, I'd probably still do so, because I am simply that much of a belligerent Scotsman/stupid Irish potato-nigger.
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      Gab shill? The sad thing is how you're not even being paid to be this retarded.
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      @p @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal Always trying to figure out what the heuristic is that lands fse in permapreminorityreportban and dsmc just skates by.
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      @p
      > Wait until you see the new IFTAS thread

      Do share.

      @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @silverpill @light @Mammal

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      @SilverDeth @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Wait until you see the new IFTAS thread.
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      @icedquinn
      (I'm finally able to post as my server stopped erroring out)
      I was thinking more about the "mops" verses the "fanatics" or geeks or whatever they are called.
      I didn't get to the bit with the "sociopaths" before I wrote it off as yet more terminally online "we're so kool" elitism.
      Sorry if it wasn't clear.
      @fish @phnt @p @strypey @silverpill

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      @p @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light team gatekeepers gets over confident in their safe zone so it's fun to btfo them every once in a while. we don't need gab for that, but that's why it was originally fun
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      > Always trying to figure out what the heuristic is that lands fse in permapreminorityreportban and dsmc just skates by.

      IFTAS. The IFTAS people put FSE at "Tier 0".
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      @vii @p @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey i'm working on it, I can only yell at so many faggots a day, i also don't go out of my way to yell at them..
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      @p @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light what got you on the naughty list do you think
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      @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii Because FSE's the one they can't kill and because I am famous and sexy and I do not have a fixation on Jewish people.
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      @vii @p @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey gray man
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      @p @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal

      The worst part about getting targeted by feds is they will send dozens of beautiful women to you to try and take you down. They'll take you out on luxurious dates and try to spoil you with fancy bottles and the drugs celebrities take. Trips to Vegas

      I managed to cheat the system, enjoying the beautiful women and their gifts with none of the jail time or cooperation.
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      @p @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal I mean it might. Having people fixate on Jews seems to be one of the games out there, but it’s really hard to fixate on Jews and nice tits at the same time.
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      @vii @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Do...do you think that factors in?

      Because A LOT OF THINGS WOULD LINE UP IF ALL OF THE POOP-FETISHISTS HATED ME BECAUSE I AM A TIT-ENJOYER
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      @p @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light tomato tomahto man if you're fighting the government on speech policies it's not nazis who are trying to shut you down
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      @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii

      > it's not nazis who are trying to shut you down

      ...Yes, it is. It's *both*. And it's not just me, Alex Linder tried to get the DRC admin arrested: https://media.freespeechextremist.com/rvl/full/e46f62ce82ff1663ec67924950e0cd4a38f6a25eea10e59db0a0e517507ba762 .
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      > The worst part about getting targeted by feds is they will send dozens of beautiful women to you to try and take you down. They'll take you out on luxurious dates and try to spoil you with fancy bottles and the drugs celebrities take. Trips to Vegas

      ...So, uh...
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      Yall fedposting in here?
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      @sampler @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @SilverDeth @p @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light Guess I need to glow harder to get a mossad wife sent to honeypot me. :k_whoa: :putin_want:
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      @vii @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey This is not the video I meant to attach.
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      @vii @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Okay, *this* is the video that I was looking for.
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      @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii

      > there are no nazis, there's just zionists pretending to be one.

      I have had this discussion with about a dozen people a day, every day of my life, starting with the day that I decided to name a Pleroma instance "free speech extremist".

      Curiously, there's always a flare-up of this sort of conversation in threads where I have noticed glowies. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action, and it stops at three but I think if I could say "every goddamn time"...Look, I don't mean to bite your head off but I'm going to if you start insisting that you're blowing my mind with the truth bombs and that I'm brainwashed and that because I don't think the shit you think now, then I must think the same shit you thought five years ago. You walk from point A to point B and you think everyone that isn't at point B with you must be at point A. "Everyone I don't agree with is a Zionist shill." Okay. "Wait, that's not what I said!"

      > there are no nazis, there's just zionists pretending to be one. nazis don't have any government resources to throw at you. it's more splc fuentes type stuff

      Turns out it's *exactly* what you said.

      You didn't look at the image. Alex Linder tried to get the DRC admin arrested by signing up on his instance and threatening to blow up a bunch of Jewish hospitals. You don't need "government resources to throw at someone". I've seen the atomwaffles and I have seen the gablins and I have seen lil Dickie Spencer and I have seen the GLR fanboys and you can go ask what they think about me. I don't intend to engage on this topic because:

      > it's more splc fuentes type stuff

      YOU FUCKING DOOMSCROLLING MONKEY

      WHILE YOU ARE HALLUCINATING LINKS TO THE SPLC

      THIS WAS A THREAD ABOUT IFTAS

      WHICH IS PAINTING A BULLSEYE ON FEDI

      AND LEGIT *IS* LINKED TO SPLC MONEY

      AND THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY

      WHICH IS THE FUCKING CIA

      AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT EVERY GABLIN THAT TRIED TO CAUSE TROUBLE WAS SECRETLY LINKED TO THE SPLC

      IN ORDER TO DERAIL A CONVERSATION

      ABOUT CONCRETE EVENTS

      OPENLY

      GODDAMN OPENLY

      OPENLY LINKED TO THE SPLC

      THIS IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO ME

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      @p @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light there are no nazis, there's just zionists pretending to be one. nazis don't have any government resources to throw at you. it's more splc fuentes type stuff
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      @ForbiddenDreamer @sampler @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal Only if it gets me blowjobs from Chinese spies. Or hot glowies.
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      > I told this lib on twitter he sounded like a gay jew

      Did everyone on the bus clap?
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      @ForbiddenDreamer @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @p @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light I told this lib on twitter he sounded like a gay jew and he accused me of "listening to tucker carlson and candace owens." (Lmao).
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      @sampler @p @Mammal @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @silverpill @strypey @vii

      WTF?

      I was ripped off. All I got was 200k+ in legal bills, permeant admission to the no-fly list and yearly visits from the FBI.

      How do I get this "hawt special agent" package?
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      @vii @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Goddammit, I am all over the map tonight, sorry.

      > but it’s really hard to fixate on Jews and nice tits at the same time.

      COUNTERPOINT:
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      I didn't say that Mastodon and W3C are the same thing. They are just two organizations whose interests are not aligned with ours.

      Historically, there wasn't much collaboration between them (despite the fact that all W3C regulars are Mastodon users). I think Gargron, as a builder, has no patience for bureaucracy and linked data nonsense. But now he is removed from his CEO position so I expect things to change. They are already changing, as the recent announcements show.

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      > Let Mastodon/W3C do their thing until incompatibilities accumulate and the network splits?

      I don't understand how these 2 very distinct galaxies of factions can be seen as some unified Other. Who from Mastodon is involved in SocialCG/ WG? What evidence is there of W3C specs having any impact on what Mastodon does?

      Like @p's OP, these perceived webs of relationships and connections just don't exist. At least not in the way you think.

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      @DemonSixOne @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal It is beautiful but all the people shitting on it and calling it some kind of commie paradise are encouraging commies to move there. In the middle of the chip shortage, the people voted in by those exact commies actively held up container ships from China because what if a goddamn box of PS5s has the 'rona? I saw the boats, man, you could see them from the only off-leash dog beach in LA County. The two busiest container ports in the entire continent are the port of Long Beach and the port of LA, and they're adjacent: they're only technically different ports because the city limits of LA stop and the city limits of Long Beach start. Transplants ruin everything, especially because they are too fucking stupid to realize that they should maybe look into who they're voting for and see if that person maybe got indicted last year or is possibly a complete piece of shit from the four families of Northern California that have been gradually attempting to take over the state. I don't know why all the blackpill dipshits on fedi are so eager to cede turf but it is a good sign that someone's done got astroturfed or psyopped if they agree with NYT opinion columns.
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      @w0rm @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii No matter how many times I see nazi_milk_office.jpg, I am not ready for it.
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      @p @ForbiddenDreamer @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii Took me some time to recognise the Red pill w 


























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      @dorkvalized @ForbiddenDreamer @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii

      > Took me some time to recognise the Red pill w

      Oh, shit, ha, I didn't realize it until you mentioned it. That is clever.

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      DO GO ON
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      > Who from Mastodon is involved in SocialCG/ WG?

      cwebber -> social.coop -> Pincus

      > these perceived webs of relationships and connections just don't exist

      I cited all of them. You can click the links or not, but you probably shouldn't confidently announce that it's fake without reading it. I have also just CC'd you on the other post that I said I'd CC you on a few days ago and then did not do so until now because I'm all over the map but am coalescing today.
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      > I think Gargron, as a builder, has no patience for bureaucracy and linked data nonsense.

      cf. Eunomia
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      @silverpill @icedquinn @fish @sampler @p @strypey @light The new CEO just seems to be a sockpuppet to Newsmast/Flipboard etc, just from his introductory post. He seems completely sterile in his views.

      I don't know what the thought process was for putting a guy that has supposedly been in the Mastodon team for years and made a couple hundred posts over more than half a decade on Mastodon into the CEO position. Other than that he possibly is easily manipulated, but that pure speculation on my part.
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      > I don't know what the thought process was for putting a guy that has supposedly been in the Mastodon team for years and made a couple hundred posts over more than half a decade on Mastodon into the CEO position.

      It is very easy to get some people to agree to agree that "You should leave management to the professional managers and you can just get on with the coding" and it always turns out the same way.
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      This is a good infographic but I feel like it is also one you could make for most states. certainly nevada, just sub in pat millroy, clark co water and the reid family.

      Feel like this needs some branches out into some of the other rot points that are older such as mullholland, ladwp and the water kikes that turned the owens valley into a salt flat, or the "fuck you got mine" policy effects of prop 13.
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      Can't see what you're replying to but sounds based.
      To be libertarian/liberal you must first be tolerant of (not be or support violence towards) different ideas. Don't see what's so 'pretend' about it.

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      > all W3C regulars are Mastodon users

      I'm guessing you mean SocialCG/WG. Not true, the Chair of the newly announced SocialWG is Darius, who's a Hometown user. Also, this appears to me to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If devs from other projects refuse to take up the open invite to join SocialCG/WG, then there won't be representation from a diverse range of AP implementations there 🤷♂️

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      > supposedly been in the Mastodon team for years and made a couple hundred posts over more than half a decade

      How do you know? Maybe they mostly post Followers-only or reply privately to other people's posts?

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      > "You should leave management to the professional managers and you can just get on with the coding"

      As @cy pointed out elsewhere in this hellthread, this is not how it works. Bean counters take over projects by coercive means, and push engineers into subordinate positions. This happened at Goggle around the time they dropped "don't be evil", killed 20% time and most of the resulting projects, and assimilated the remaining ones into G+.

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      > As @cy pointed out elsewhere in this hellthread, this is not how it works.

      As much as I appreciate the casual dismissal of my perspective, I haven't seen his objection, but I have seen how it works: I've worked where it works. I've watched it work. I've been in this game a minute or two, so I tend to rely on memory rather than assertions.

      > Bean counters take over projects by coercive means, and push engineers into subordinate positions.

      The bean counters arrive after the MBAs arrive.

      > This happened at Goggle around the time they dropped "don't be evil",

      It happened at Google before anyone heard of Google. Eric Schmidt took over management and started signing DoD contracts. The "Okay, fine, we're evil" bit happened a long time after that. You're talking about the invasion of Poland and I'm talking about the Enabling Act of 1933. The MBAs send in the bean counters when it's too late to stop the MBAs.
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      > Even Moldbug has acknowledged that fixed supply currencies are fundamentally broken.

      Who said anything about that? I said stop letting the government do it, not that there should be a permanent fixed supply of abstract units of value.

      Anyway, I ain't read Moldbug. I did like the handful of "programming from Mars" essays that he came up with before making Urbit but I don't entirely like what happened when they started making Urbit.

      > Also, in modern economies it's banks that issue new money, not governments.

      This is like saying "It's generals that tell the tanks where to go, not governments." The Federal Reserve was created by an act of Congress.
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      > We either put Glass-Steagall back or we stop letting the government print money

      Since you're talking about US policy I don't get a vote, but I'd go for the first one. Even Moldbug has acknowledged that fixed supply currencies are fundamentally broken.

      Also, in modern economies it's banks that issue new money, not governments. Under neoliberal norms govts have to issue bonds (ie create debts) when they have a budget deficit.

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      @strypey @icedquinn @fish @sampler @p @silverpill @light I'm basing it on public information and considering I never heard about that guy prior to his "I'm the CEO now post": https://mastodon.social/@mellifluousbox/115569615176946969

      Eugene at least posted cats and photography, this guy posts nothing but announcement. Seems weird to be a CEO of a social media company and not like using social media.

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      >who's a Hometown user

      You're right. One of them uses a Mastodon fork.

      >If devs from other projects refuse to take up the open invite to join SocialCG/WG, then there won't be representation from a diverse range of AP implementations there

      I don't think Social WG should exist at all. When Johannes and Evan restarted it in 2022-2023, I immediately said that it is a bad idea, and not only because it's centralized and exclusionary by design.

      At that time, there was significant activity on SocialHub, FEP process was gaining traction and things were generally improving. Then all of a sudden a bunch of people who were nowhere to be found before the Great Eloning started talking about "standards" while ignoring FEP, SocialHub and the broader developer community.
      Nevertheless, I gave them the benefit of the doubt, and tried to participate in several Social WG Github discussions in good faith. Every single time I was the sole software maintainer in the room and every single time my proposals / objections were ignored or dismissed. There were also attacks on the FEP process, which we briefly discussed earlier in this thread, and a lot of other stuff.

      So by now it is abundantly clear to me that no collaboration is possible. They want bootlickers, not collaborators.

      3 years after reboot, and there is still very little interest from fedi maintainers, so I don't see any reason to legitimize this fake institution by participating. The participation is mostly limited to E2EE task force, and even that is because SWF is paying two developers to implement the half-baked spec.

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      @silverpill @icedquinn @fish @sampler @p @strypey @light I think the as:Public Github thread is the perfect example of what Social WG mostly does and has done for years. Professional bikeshedding. Things literally no maintainer cares about and makes their life harder.

      https://github.com/w3c/activitypub/issues/404
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      > Seems weird to be a CEO of a social media company and not like using social media

      If Phantasm is the name on your birth certificate, it might surprise you to learn that some of us use pseudonyms online, instead of posting publicly under our real names ; )

      We know Gargron's real name because they doxxed themselves. Otherwise, you might be saying the same thing on learning that a Eugen Rochko had become Mastodon CEO of Mastodon 🤷♂️

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      > casual dismissal of my perspective

      I'm sorry it came across that way. I think we're in heated agreement.

      > You're talking about the invasion of Poland and I'm talking about the Enabling Act of 1933

      That's pretty accurate. I'm talking about when the guillotines dropped and the heads rolled. You're talking about the process of setting up the guillotines and deciding which heads to put in them.

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      > I'm sorry it came across that way. I think we're in heated agreement.

      I wasn't heated; if you think I was (I'm pretty abrasive sometimes), I can see why that would raise tensions. Take it easy, my friend: I don't think anyone is anyone's enemy in this thread.

      I'm interested in discussing, not advocating. I see what I see and then I looked and I have shared the results and my conclusions and people may not agree with my conclusions and that's fine. As I said to vii when she popped in, I don't have any recommendations except that I think these people should be ignored: they pretend to have some sort of authority, their influence is generally harmful.

      Separately from that, these people declared me an enemy before I heard of any of them. Do you understand? So you say things like "I don't think they've done anything bad" and I think it is going to be difficult for you to convince me that I should be in favor of being declared evil, but aside from that, they want to build a centralized moderation system and they are sounding the alarm and claiming that unless they get to do it, the fediverse will not survive. They have deliberately named it after the Twitter department that was responsible for the worst of Twitter's behavior: political censorship at the behest of the White House.

      > That's pretty accurate.

      Yeah, I mean, once he's formed a plan for going into Poland, you can't stop him; you can stop him before the Enabling Act of 1933.
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      > I said stop letting the government do it, not that there should be a permanent fixed supply of abstract units of value

      If the money supply is not fixed, then who issues new money as needed, if not a democratic governance mechanism?

      Not that the US federal government necessarily fits that description right now (or for decades, if ever). So let's put them aside for the moment, and focus on getting our theoretical scaffolding in place before we return to real world examples.

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      @p @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light https://fluffytail.org/objects/e8f68b12-ce97-4a7b-b40a-c62e092eef55
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      > If the money supply is not fixed, then who issues new money as needed, if not a democratic governance mechanism?

      The supply of money can only be fixed if the total value of goods and labor remains fixed, right? Otherwise you need infinite subdivisions.

      Prisons in California are essentially closed economies: you have goods coming in, inmates have no direct access to whatever money, and in fact cannot spend their own money on quarterly packages, but can go to the commissary. They *still* have an informal currency: canned fish are large bills, instant noodles are small bills or coinage. (Cigarettes are now illegal in prison in California.) This is fascinating to me; they have chosen a token with intrinsic value, but it is an abstract token representing value.

      As far as who issues what, it hardly matters. We need a fixed currency for tax purposes: this causes all other transactions downstream of that sort of activity to be conducted in that currency because it is low-friction. The only thing you really need is a token representing an abstract unit of value, the token must be transferrable, it should be trustless (right now, we have a centralized system of trust: you must trust the government to safeguard circulation), etc.

      > focus on getting our theoretical scaffolding in place before we return to real world examples.

      I am not certain where you want to go with this. I have this view that I have, and I have some examples of the behavior, and you see it go all the way back to tally sticks and the foundation of writing itself being trade: "aleph" is an ox, the Phoenician traders used writing to account for trade. I've got opinions based on that but beyond what I, specifically, am to do with my time and energy, the stakes are low.
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      @DemonSixOne @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal Ah, the Prop 13 shit is partially about Chinese investors shoveling tons of cash at real estate developers. The real estate developers owned both of the candidates for mayor last election if that gives you an idea.

      You know what's probably the best show about what happened to Southern California is Lodge 49. Highly recommended.
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      > "LLMs are replacement for both propaganda outlets and surveillance systems and there is no government on earth that is prohibited from running an army of chatbots"

      I have never been wrong about anything in my life: https://github.com/retflo/retflo
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      > I don't think they think the party is over; I think that's why they're racing to fund LLMs

      Why not both? If you look at both the USSR and East Germany, and numerous other examples, ramping up of surveillance is a pretty reliable indicator of a regime on the verge of collapse (as is obsessive stadium building). I tend to read the surveillance capitalism of both the US and CCP in that context, and I don't think it bodes well for either

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      > ramping up of surveillance is a pretty reliable indicator of a regime on the verge of collapse

      I think that's a coincidence. They have been ramping up surveillance here for 90 years.
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      @frogzone @fish @vii @phnt @p @strypey @silverpill i don't think fedi does have much of a future. i've seen a small but growing collection of entities that by all rights should be on activitypub but are taking their balls and going home. the purity spiral diaspora hasn't done a whole lot of good either.

      cryptopunk stuff is just masturbatory. they'll just ban that when they finally get annoyed about it, so its almost not worth talking about if you're actually serious about the problems. :blobcatshrug2:
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      @strypey @p @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @vii I have been invited by @p to examine this thread because i've not been on fedi for 11 months

      Interesting.... i think if fedi has a future it is based around something like minimitra and the censorship resistance that i2p offers (although I'm now having to rethink how i2p is able to be distributed due to i2p.net being cloudGlare). i am pleased to see that a rust implementation of i2p has been developed but I need to learn more about it due to its use of m$-github I am not as excited as I probably should be.

      Yes the "hey-hi" push is about surveillance and control, and what people in an indymedia roundtable recently noticed, making search engines a bit garbage, and being able to "meter out truth" even more slowly, even if today the LLMs are okay they will be made worse. I personally have never used an llm, believe it or not. One of the way to avoid search being taken over by LLMs is host a sites with ample Links to good sources. If enuf ppl shared links to (ideally hidden) services that they found useful, and enuf of those services had a good search function on their OWN sites, we can short-circut the search-to-LLM pipeline.

      But if we allow them to get nuclear power for their datacenters the ability for them to construct false realities automatically and therefore imprison people within them will be off the charts, and can last for a fairly long time, long enuf to cause incredible harm to humanity in general. The reason it could last a lot longer than we might expect is the expansionist nature of the predators to use the land, or whatever resource, that they have expanded into. There is a cycle whereby spent/depleted uranium ends up in countries that they want to genocide and ethnically cleanse via warfare which means they extract more and more resources from lands that have been made inhabitable by them, and cycle continues.

      The fact that iran were not allowed to have a civil nuclear energy program speaks to this fact, the genocidal class knows what they do with depleted uranium, which is why they want to deprive states they from having nuclear energy. But what's good for the goose is good for the gander, no one ought have that sort of assymetric power over others.

      In febuary this year we saw a case study of this pollute-then-use method.... a month before (early feb) the genocidal regime (US/UK/Isra) started the war on iran (end of feb) they sprayed toxic herbicide over south lebanon to destroy the people's connection to the land. they ethnically "cleansed" it and now the land is being used by the "psychopath" (i prefer the term predator) class to further abuse others.

      This is the sort of thing we see with depleted uranium, the predator class say they will handle it safely but i believe they NEVER do.... it really just ends up in the tips of munitions to genetically damage or ethnically cleanse (make refugees out of) peoples they dont like (iraq is apparently well known as an example where the population are genetically damaged from the dense uranium in weapons) but now we are seeing it acrss the middle east. From what i gather the extent of depopulation of regions in the middle east is INTENSE. All these refugees need places to go and so they go to other countries which enjoy GDP boosts because the demand for things like housing, etc, go up. It makes those economies look good on the surface, but its literally on the backs of genocide and expansionism. The corporate media therefore will never care about exposing this process.

      The predator class can and are basically repeating this but for datacenters and polluting the world with streaming disservices and now to add to the damage, slop. Big tech predators don't even need to know what is real and not they can just destroy people's that stand in their way fairly automatically. Dissent becomes basically impossible and this allows them to get away with basically anything.

      Ending uranium trade will be the most effective method to stop the degeneration, best way forward imv. Apparently the way this is done is by ensuring mined uranium diluted in a slurry and spread back over the land.

      I also think the car is on the way out. Oil is on the decline. Part of the reason for the war on iran is so they can #blameIran for oil decline, not their overconsumption ideological control of citizens that they converted to consumers in the 1920s to maintain postwar production, that made them so much profits. EVs are intractable, and not really a viable option.

      Invest in a boring old bicycle, and in getting a camel for dad.

      I think one way we can build popular resistance is by jokingly covering up businesses' fb and instaspam icons with rss icons. Repurpose common plastic packaging that would otherwise go in the trash. RSS was identified early as the technogoly to destroy by the predator class, so I do think we need to work to restore RSS. Many fedi instances do RSS, and if they don't they should impement RSS imv. I think that is the wedge we can use, the fediverse icon deeloped by DSFSG (that i tried refining) hasnt taken off. So the only thing we have is the RSS icon, and NOSTALGIA. There is A LOT of nostalgia out there right now for the old web. Millenials will still recognize the RSS icon. When they see it it will evoke memory. If it is easy to remove, few will complain about someone sticking an RSS icon over their predator symbols. If you want to advertise a fediverse account write it out alongside an RSS icon. I would say that it our last chance to reclaim the web.

      As the thread fragmnted I read less and less but this is my take, on the meat of it.

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      > I personally have never used an llm, believe it or not.

      I was stuck in the middle of a corn field with a dead truck and AAA sent me an LLM that kept telling me that the guy would be there any minute now but there was no guy. I was not even in the middle of nowhere and was just sitting at my desk and a lobbying LLM came to tell me that Israel was my greatest ally. (This is a smaller version of the thing I said would happen in this thread.) I don't think you can get away from LLMs at this point.

      > Ending uranium trade will be the most effective method to stop the degeneration

      The people that you dislike are the ones that control that. You cannot stop those people by cutting off the supply of the thing that they control the supply of.
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      > i don't think fedi does have much of a future.

      Jeremiad incoming.

      > the purity spiral diaspora hasn't done a whole lot of good either.

      That's the NED, I already demonstrated the funding.

      > they'll just ban that

      Legally and practically impossible.
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      @p @icedquinn @fish @vii @phnt @strypey @silverpill Ewww.... wash your phone out with soap, and maybe a solar flare.

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      @frogzone @icedquinn @fish @vii @phnt @strypey @silverpill I don't think receiving a message from a shillbot taints my phone; I don't actually hate LLMs, either, I just think they have some capabilities, these capabilities are misrepresented by the companies that produce them in two ways, once to the investors and once to the public, and that it appears to be the case that the public is buying the misrepresentation.
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