@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @light

> Then I suggest you learn a bit more about the history of the 20th century

I also don't tend to buy "If you don't agree with my conclusion, you must not know what I know" arguments. I'm pretty familiar with the Malthusian nihilist utilitarians that took power in the 1930s and defined the post-Bernays world.

> or read Chapman's piece

I have read it at least twice. I refer people to it frequently.

> Just not in the way centrist authoritarians claiming to be liberals spin it.

Well, that was Quinn's point and I think it's a reasonable point.