Here are your entrants, clustered by what *type* of faggot they are:
First, the trannies: -Maija, the top seed and the favorite to win! -Nyx, the administrator of Xenofem - a notorious tranny supremacist instance on fedi! -Salt, as well as -LunaticLucidity, both extraordinarily troonish posters on Xenofem! -Hachi, someone who is farming blocks from Poast by acting like a giant fucking troon.
Second, the regular gays: -Meso, who is a normal smouldering faggot -Tomato, who has a long history of THIRSTING over troons - most notoriously, Paulo, who was an entrant last year! This thirst over Paulo was so extreme that many people - the TO included - viewed it as grooming! -Tony, who does much the same but does less harm with it. -Zonk, whose furfaggotry has propelled them into a relatively high seed
Third, the people who have earned serious hate for their actions: -Based Lunatic, whose snobbery has seeded him highly enough that it's likely he'll see the semifinals -Jeff Cliff, who REALLY wants you to get all 100 of your COVID vaccines. REALLY BADLY. RIGHT NOW. -Adam Curry, who nuked NAS once over and forced an exile to new-NAS. Even though most of this side of fedi isn't acquainted with his podcast, he may well have caused the most material harm on any instance that we federate with! -Jonny Fever, whose DRUNKEN RAMPAGES and REPEATED DEATH THREATS *just barely* didn't net them a slot in the tournament last year. -Blitz, who is a lefty in a right wing world. SAD! -Graf, whose ownership of the largest Fedi instance around has earned him a permanent group of haters. -Trevor, who famously opened the floodgates for Gabniggers to show up on Fedi - and probably one of the people most responsible for making last year's winner, Judge Dread, show up on our doorsteps! Rumor has it that this man ACTUALLY PAYS TO POST ON GAB. -Suiseiseki, whose worship of Stallman and all that he represents has led him down the deep rabbit hole of parrot sex for the sake of free software worship. -Gleason, who maintains some infrastructure and builds some things. Anyone close enough to the technical side of Fedi is going to piss off a lot of people, that's inevitable. -SiRrogueKnight, whose name I can't ever fucking capitalize right but who NAS seems to hate for some reason. No fucking clue, sorry NAS. -Cosmic, again some angry NASbro who I don't know shit about. -Teto, who as far as I can tell is just an angry version of Fedi incarnate who is unfortunately stuck in Germany. -Last - but not least in this group - last year's finalist and loser by A SINGLE VOTE: CSB! He has a past of pestering people into interacting with him exactly how he wants, paying for followers...oh dear. :reimu_sigh: He's spent the last year trying to build up good will outside of NAS, and this TO thinks that it's worked pretty well. How far will CSB go this year, and just how much have his efforts to improve his reputation yielded fruit? Even if I don't think he's this year's favorite, he is by *far* the most interesting entrant in this race!
Fourth, people who are largely in the tournament on technicalities and as jokes: -Kirby, the administrator of this instance! -Ratposter, probably Poast's most beloved vermin! They're in it to win it...and they managed to get to semifinals last year, getting knocked out by CSB! Does this rat have what it takes to be the final boss of the gym this year? -Wiz, host of TheFediFiles! -Eriner, the current admin of NAS! -PNS - some NASbro who managed to scrape up enough nominations to force me to put him in. I don't know what he did, but it wasn't enough for people to tell me what it was so I'm assuming it wasn't that bad. -Jazzilla...Some NAS person who just barely made the cut. I don't know him, but I think I saw Dread interact with them so in they go. That very small detail might actually net them a win. 🤷 -Andreas. In this tournament, kind of a bland zako, I can't hype him up. :jahy_gah: -d0c40r0. Another zako. :jahy_gah: -Xenophon. Really? :jahy_gah: -And last: CMD, the Tournament Organizer! His crime? He is LITERALLY OP, and thus a faggot by default.
@MK2boogaloo@TheFediFiles@dcc@nyanide Yes, and thanks to Kero for not actually banning me every time he says "I'm going to ban you for making fun of me."
First, I'd like to thank @nyanide and @dcc for giving us a place to do this.
Second, there are plans to have the kickoff of the tournament be LIVE on @TheFediFiles ! I'll spend a short period of time introducing myself, and then hopefully at midnight we'll kick off the tournament with a quick discussion of all of the entrants. It'll be fun, so tune in!
@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating yes but iirc its since modified to read usernames from a file and apply to multiple people though i think variations on my username might still be hardcoded in
@ceo_of_monoeye_dating two things. one, unless im confused, teto is swiss iirc. mountain german. two, tomato did not "groom" paula if anybody did it was me and she's still grateful for my support to become the girl she is inside i will not stand for this stolen valor. tomato wouldnt get anything out of it anyways paula doesnt sext random chasers only other trannies. paula is adorable and she was adorable before and i'm genuinelly just so happy at how much better she's been doing as a girl. i was talking to her supporting her through that stuff constantly back then and i'm pretty sure im the first person she excitedly told about getting hrt and i helped her to get it. *I* helped her *I* did it not tomato just being some typical chaser pervert
> bashing trannies is a baseline behavior for this area of fedi
Nah, maija's just not spelling it out for obvious reasons. It's "literally nothing", it's "bs cancel culture", it's everything except the actual cited reason.
I have no clue what are you talking about, to be honest. I guess maija was added to mint's meme mrf because she's trans, and bashing trannies is a baseline behavior for this area of fedi 🤷♀️
@ube@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lonelyowl13 If it was literally nothing, then there's no reason not to just say what the cited reason was. People flip out over loli and I don't say "literally nothing" or "bs cancel culture" or "a cisoid wouldnt get the same treatment over so little" or "i came from imageboards fedi wasnt always so butthurt", I say that they've flipped out over loli.
If I'm being as generous as I possibly can, you've got some questionable friends, you've had some really questionable interactions with people, you've had alts on questionable instances. The one thing that can get us all killed and you can't seem to stay away from it, and then you get evasive or defensive if someone mentions it. Then you say "Oh, it's racism and because he's a cisoid" and fucking come on, maija, fucking own it or don't, but don't dance around it or give people the wrong impression: it makes it really hard to believe it when you say "oh, it was just some edgy jokes plus I happened to make friends with some of the worst pedophiles on fedi". It's not cancel culture, it's not some people that got unfairly branded pedophiles, it's the goddamn pedophile activist brigade and that's not "edgy imageboard" shit, that's "people that got banned from the imageboards" shit.
@p@lonelyowl13@ceo_of_monoeye_dating how is making some edgy jokes and interacting with pedos not literally nothing. if i was trying to hide it i wouldnt still do it. i came from imageboards fedi wasnt always so butthurt in this guilt by association way and i dont see why i should adapt to a bunch of assmad kuzists and twitter rapefugees
@ube@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lonelyowl13 maija's indignant at the injustice until someone we get to the part where we've said what it's actually about, then evasive again.
@Kirino@ube@lonelyowl13@ceo_of_monoeye_dating Yeah, it's not just occasional interactions with some people that happen to be pedophiles, it's people whose entire fedi presence is about pedophilia.
> I didn't expect folks from this segment of fedi to be that sensitive,
As I said, I'm being charitable with my words; this seems to have been a mistake.
> Or if you're doing it to piss off respectable normies for the lulz, prepare for them to, like, get mad at you.
It's ryona.agency we're talking about. People that are friends with pernia. If it's about edgy jokes like maija's claiming, there's no way to account for pernia, whose edgy jokes about pedophilia have basically no equivalent.
maija is minimizing it and being intentionally misleading. I've seen this shit before from the anime.website admin and then suddenly there's a bunch of child pornography flooding TWKN when fedi was still small enough that everyone that was awake saw it, and shit that wasn't just bad, it was a little kid bound and gagged with duct tape and a dildo up his ass. Same shit, "Oh, Opal's just edgy, that's why there's a lengthy defense of child pornography on her blog", "It's just a coincidence that people that are frustrated with nnia.space end up on anime.website", "It's a total coincidence that Opal flips her goddamn lid every time you ban someone from FSE for uploading naked kids".
So: maija is past the point where I can say "Oh, probably nothing, probably harmless", maija's got *me* nervous. Write it off if you want, not my concern, but I'd certainly hate to have left any ambiguity.
Miss maija, don't hang out with pedos unless you want to be associated with pedos. Or if you're doing it to piss off respectable normies for the lulz, prepare for them to, like, get mad at you.
If people from normie instances will call me a neo-nazi for having an account on drc, that would obviously be a false accusation from my perspective, but this won't be surprising cause they have eyes
@ube@lonelyowl13@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino the pedi isn't posting cp (all the time, anyway) either, and I sympathize with sleeping well just knowing that, but you can't call people concerned with it for very legitimate reasons "bs cancel culture", continue to do stuff you do and expect people to leave it like that
Judging but how much he's REALLY downplaying it I would not be surprised.
No one downplays something unless there's some guilt of association from what I've always seen. Look at how the alt-left will downplay Houthis raiding commerce ships or how alt-right will downplay idealizing Nazi Germany when either side talks to "normies."
Not saying I agree or disagree with either, it's just a pattern we all recognize.
You don't say shit like that unless you're defending it. "I mean yeah, it's just edgy posting and it's not like I posted it" doesn't read any different to me than "Pedophilia isn't THAT big a deal"
@menherahair@lonelyowl13@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube >the pedi isn't posting cp (all the time, anyway) Thankfully I didn't see any real CP yet when it appears on my TL, or when I looked for new pedo instances whenever something federates. Mostly because they almost always lock down timelines. The worst you can normally see is usually some cub "art" that totally isn't supposed to look like children, nuh uh. To see the real material you have to be inside their communities, which maija inarguably is no matter what he says, and be on instances ran by degens like baisei and eden which I don't know if maija is and I don't care because it wouldn't change my views at all.
So there ARE individuals who you associate with those things, just not ones who you know to consume/post it openly?
Otherwise why use the word retarded instead of "sick", "gross" or even "fucked up?" To me it kinda reads like "Nah they're not dumb enough to do that -- they'd get in trouble."
If I were to say that I'd say something like: "I don't know anyone who does that kinda shit."
I'm curious on what your exact stance on pedophilia/pedophiles or people who endorse or associate with either of those things is. Ideally in simple and direct terms since I get confused very easily.
>I'm curious on what your exact stance on pedophilia/pedophiles or people who endorse or associate with either of those things is. Ideally in simple and direct terms since I get confused very easily. And here we go, thread gone. the_loli_discussion.png
@ube@lonelyowl13@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino Here's a free OPSEC advice. Since you are federating with nonces, at least turn on your fucking media proxy. It's not like fran will care about your instance when he already hosts Consuela.
@Kirino@lonelyowl13@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating you do seem confused. i dont have a problem with them, it does not affect me, and thats not unique to them either ive befriended murderers and rapists and shit in the past too. thats it. it doesnt affect me im not a kid idc
> and then suddenly there's a bunch of child pornography flooding TWKN when fedi was still small enough that everyone that was awake saw it, and shit that wasn't just bad, it was a little kid bound and gagged with duct tape and a dildo up his ass.
That shit is bad, it is indefensible 😭
At least for posting dismembered sandniggers and rape we won't all get raided by authorities. At least i think so.
Well, I don't think Opal ever suffered any consequences from it, but it was up a long time and happened right after Opal did this long-ass post about "I'm not taking anything down until the police ask me to, I don't care what it is".
@lonelyowl13@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating oh 100% a cisoid wouldnt get the same treatment over so little. theres also ethnic tensions involved. he always had a negative attitude at me before because he's a vatnik and they HATE balts because we're so much better than them and they make up bs that we're fascistically oppressing them as if russians havent genocided the balts on numerous occasions
@phnt@lonelyowl13@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube there is no difference from federating and therefore technically replicating and sharing copies of the stuff compared to posting it originally, at least in german law
@dagda@lonelyowl13@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube There is a technicality where as a site operator, you aren't responsible for what people post on it, but have to remove it based on orders made by feds in 24 hours. You'll get a fed visit either way anyway.
Ah. So, to be clear, I think it's a bad idea to call it this. It might qualify under some countries' laws, but the law is (ideally) intended to reflect reality: it doesn't create reality. I don't really like those drawings, but drawings are drawings: "an actual terrible thing happened to an actual child that has to live with it" is a very different thing than "a guy drew an anime girl with a giant head". is_this_loli.gif
@p@lonelyowl13@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino@ube In german law it does not matter if it was actually real. It only has to depict/look like a child, that is it. And in Czechia after a court ruling last year, it's basically the same thing and probably the biggest reason why I started nuking media from instances that post naked lolicon images almost exclusively.
a) I don't want to take any chances, even if very minimal b) I find it very disgusting anyway, so literally nothing of value was lost.
@p@lonelyowl13@phnt@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube Germany always has pursued speedrunning all possible 100% endings of totalitarianism, atm it's busy with liberal totalitarianism. Maybe it was a mistake to give germans the ability to use language. However most cases of this refer to corporate social media, which the german state loves because of the plausible deniability of using private monopolists for censorship instead of direct state censorship. As far as federated technology goes much of it is lacking legal precidents, no court really knows how to do with it as it is radically technically different, so courts have to navigate a lot of ambiguity. However in germany cp material has zero ambiguity and they will not wait to prosecute it until german law has made up some canonical sense on how to deal with decentralized technology trust me (and that's a good thing tbh)
> In german law it does not matter if it was actually real.
Yeah, I get that. I'm just saying it gives the wrong impression if you call it by the same term.
> And in Czechia after a court ruling last year, it's basically the same thing
It's treated the same way by the law; this is different from it being the same thing. I'm not saying that everyone should get arrested because I don't like the way the law defines something, just that the law doesn't create reality.
> a) I don't want to take any chances, even if very minimal
> Germany always has pursued speedrunning all possible 100% endings of totalitarianism,
Maybe they'll ban "99 Red Balloons" soon.
> Maybe it was a mistake to give germans the ability to use language.
The word "barbarian" comes from the Greek imitation of how the Germanic people spoke. It sounded like "barbarbar" to the Greeks.
> As far as federated technology goes much of it is lacking legal precidents, no court really knows how to do with it as it is radically technically different, so courts have to navigate a lot of ambiguity.
I've seen the ISD report on fedi: "We can't use NetzDG as a pretext to censor these sites so we're kind of at a loss."
> However in germany cp material has zero ambiguity
Well, sure, I'm not disputing how the law works in Germany and I'm not saying to permit it, I'm saying that calling it "child pornography" is misleading. barbarbar.png
There is no law that says drawn images of something that naked children = CSAM. Quite the contrary, drawings are protected under freedom of expression. Which as far as I know is very similar to what the situation is in USA. A legal grey area that depends on the interpretation of a court. And since now there is a _single_ case where some groomer (I think) got arrested and feds found lolicon on his electronic devices as a "side-effect" of the arrest (meaning he wasn't arrested for holding lolis, feds didn't even know about that), but the court ruled that those drawings should be treated like real CSAM and it was prosecuted as such.
@p@lonelyowl13@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@ube @phnt @nyanide @sysrq @meso Clearly, 75 likes for posts on gimmeloli.cc, 70 on rape.pet, 50 on shota.house, 13 on mapsupport.de and so on he put are caused by socioeconomic conditions. That's a real number for his netsphere account in the last month prior to snacks/georgia/whoever else is the admin attempting to save face by deactivating him, admins of instances subscribed to him can verify it.
@p@lonelyowl13@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino@ube The idea of drawn CP has been mocked with what was called hurr CP years ago and it will be again. If this is your reaction to loli in itself, you are no better than the extremely autistic ragaholic I trolled by posting drawings of his OC being involved in a gay orgy.
@p@Kirino@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@lonelyowl13@ube >Preaching to the choir: https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/the-loli-question.html >>My best guess at what they mean by this is that the drawing can depict nudity but cannot be sexually explicit, so that's what the rule on the server is. This also my opinion on this so far. I also have to eyeball it and there aren't any guidelines here. Well, there are EU regulations regarding hosting, but I don't want to pay a fucking lawyer to get a likely correct answer on how hosting sites in US while being a Czech and EU citizen actually works. I doubt that law of the land applies, but whatever and my hosting options would be OVH or Hetzner. Both are bad in many ways.
@p@lonelyowl13@phnt@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino@ube Little update: The German government decriminalized the mere ownership of CP, because German courts were overwhelmed with cases involving it. Doesn't mean you could now publish that garbage in Germany. That is still illegal and would get the cybercrime unit from the Federal Criminal Investigation Commission Wiesbaden on your ass.
@ube@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino In practice, its a decriminalization in the sense of the old laws concerning Marihuana. Sure the cops gonna confiscate your tiny bag of weed that is under the legal limit (which is different from state to state) and enter that into your file. However it always gets you only a letter that says that the proceedings would have been discontinued.
@maxmustermann@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino > German lawmakers have not voted to decriminalise possessing child pornography, contrary to widely viewed social media posts. > Instead, they have backed reducing the minimum jail terms for possessing, distributing or acquiring such material. > With a minimum jail term under one year, the offences are now considered misdemeanours rather than felonies, added the spokesperson. This is confirmed, opens new tab by section 12 of the German Criminal Code. > By downgrading the lesser offences to a misdemeanour, it allows for shorter sentences to be imposed or for the case to be dropped, added the spokesperson. not quite https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/german-lawmakers-have-not-voted-decriminalise-possessing-child-pornography-2024-06-19/
also lmao wtf is wrong with germans: >With a one-year minimum sentence there was no way someone “who had not acted out of paedo-criminal energy” could avoid jail, said the justice ministry spokesperson, for example when a mother finds child pornography on her offspring’s phone and forwards it to other parents or teachers to alert them.
@ube@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino Russia itself got harscher sentences for Pedos and is even going after hentai. 8ch had a hilarious incident where Rozcomodor was writing the cripple complaints about Penny Gadget of all characters. And only Penny Gadget for some weird reason. No, Germany has instead a problem with a lot retards from the Levante and other MENA regions becoming extreme pr0n addicts who goon 24/7 as soon as they get access to the internet.
Also the old laws were so retarded, that you couldn't report the material since having it in your memory alone was ownership. The laws that criminalize even the attempt to get it or the successful acquisition are also on the books. Not that anyone would trust German politicians with that pedo shit, because way too many have Kompromat of themselves and the Von der Leyen's infamous internet censorship initiative had always been under suspicion for being about protecting her fellow politicians from the glow niggers.
@maxmustermann@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube >Not that anyone would trust German politicians with that pedo shit, because way too many have Kompromat of themselves and the Von der Leyen's infamous internet censorship initiative had always been under suspicion for being about protecting her fellow politicians from the glow niggers
@ube@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino Yup. And special unit some faggot from the older Lolbert party has created to get reelected as state minister of Hesse. He lost, but the special investigation bureau still exists and they go after you if you are a child pornographer.
> Merkel was literally the western equivalent of Brezhnev, chill and cool mode totalitarianism
Her father was a captain in the Hitler Youth and her grandfather participated in Krystallnacht. Luckily for her, she was able to detach herself from the branding without altering her course.
@dj@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@maxmustermann@ube Merkel was literally the western equivalent of Brezhnev, chill and cool mode totalitarianism where most people prospered and could live their lives unbothered, I would take 50 more years of her in a second instead of NATO doormat and "Trump at home"
@Silverwolf@vriska Dread is exempt from nominations due to being a past winner. Instead, something special will happen with him at the end of the tournament. :konata_happy:
Why didn't #FaggotTourney actually make the tag work? Whatever.
Anyway, here's the schedule for the first set of rounds: there will be two daily until semifinals.
June 1st: Maija vs. CMD. Nyx vs. Kirby. June 2nd: Based Lunatic vs. Salt. Tony vs. Lunatic Lucidity. June 3rd: CSB vs. Cosmic. Hachi vs. PNS. June 4th: SiRrogueKnight vs. jazzilla. Adam Curry vs. Eriner. June 5th: Jeff Cliff vs. Andreas. Jonny Fever vs. Blitz. June 6th: Graf vs. Trevor. Wiz vs. Teto June 7th: Tomato vs. Meso. Suiseiseki vs. Gleason. June 8th: Zonk vs. d0c. Ratposter vs. Xenophon.
Imagine arguing to allow feds (read:pedophiles) to freeload off of your resources.
Feds (read:pedophiles) are subhuman and should be treated as such. They quite literally are demons by definition.
It’s so common to see pedos get away with everything under the sun while you might get audited for even joking about tax evasion. It’s not an “accident”, they just don’t arrest their own.
Merkel. Concerning her, tinfoil has it that she is a GDR remnant who served as trojan horse inside the Christ Democratic Party to prepare its return. Well good luck with whats left of Socialist Union Party. Not that Christian Democracy is still a workable political ideology. Most parties of that kind except the fucking Union are gone now.
@p@dj@lonelyowl13@phnt@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@maxmustermann@ube she received socialist education and was active in socialist party youth, her style of totalitarianism was much more "chill USSR bureaucrat" style than naziism (fascism + german cultural autism). This is one thing german right wingers get right about her, however for me it's barely a negative. When she was in office there was no "politics", it was literally just her and people were busy with their private hobbies and carreer grind (good thing for germans, better than them going all in on latest german ideological experiment)
> her style of totalitarianism was much more "chill USSR bureaucrat" style than naziism (fascism + german cultural autism).
"Nazi" is the branding.
I mean, if I have a piece of beef, I can bake it, broil it, fry it, braise it, chop it up and make a stew. This does not make a practical difference to the cow, though. If the cow decides it doesn't want to do this or that, it gets herded: its thoughts on autonomy don't make a huge difference to a cattle rancher, and it's managed rather than respected.
People insist it's different to be shoved into a black van by guys with hammer and sickle armbands or into a cattle car by guys with swastika armbands and I don't think it's a huge difference. dead_kennedys--10_saturday_night_holocaust.mp3
@dagda@dj@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube Nah. He gives me the cringe, because as a avid weakling he has given the booted out Social Democrats governmental power instead of stuffing the the AfD into a junior party role like other right wing normalfag parties did to populist ones in other countries.
@maxmustermann@dj@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube The AfD is more extreme than your usual right wing populists or even trump, 50% of the party is led by literal natsoc cadres. Also the german parliament system is categorically fucked because of excessive insisting on "compromise". It's set up in a way that every governement is a united left-right abomination, so no non-centrist political faction can ever be satisfied by it
@ube@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@Kirino Having been in a psych ward, all the nurses were really really nice to me because I had to wear the hospital gown and the nurses were all women and they saw my enormous penis.
@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@Kirino it was varied with staff and other patients (inmates really) but generally quite bad. on hrt so no erect penis for me, and i was allowed to wear normal clothes
> Also the german parliament system is categorically fucked because of excessive insisting on "compromise". It's set up in a way that every governement is a united left-right abomination Which is technically the exception rather than the rule. The major parties have fucked themselves so hard, that they can't form a government anymore. Even the next installment of the grand coalition is the most fragile shit I have seen in my life.
@dagda@dj@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube > dude you can't be completely oblivious to the concept of "hiding your power level". Nigger, you are talking like there is a secret NS takeover of the party. Which turned out to be extremely untrue whenever it was officially claimed by the Constitutional Guard (interior spook agency).
> Lolbert economics is a nothingburger in terms of political spice in germany Tell that any lefty. He gonna burg about Marx and how self personal responsibility doesn't work at all. They will then tell you how it is a typical lolbert catchphrase they use whenever they want to block some regulation.
That Landolf Ladig thing strikes me as leftwing tinfoil. Nobody knows who the guy actually is. No the only place where the AfD is fascist where the word is used synonymously with non-communist; Western Libtardation. What counts is still the fucking Party Manifesto.
@maxmustermann@dj@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube >Where's the evidence? The AfD is still a lolbert party with lolbert economic program. dude you can't be completely oblivious to the concept of "hiding your power level". The new right has exactly figured out how it works and how commies did it for 70 years, which they copy now instead of going room temperature IQ NPD style naziism. Lolbert economics is a nothingburger in terms of political spice in germany, of course they will put this stuff (which about 50% of members genuine opinion) in the party programme instead of le organic, germanic, "interest is jewish" style economics of Landolf Ladig (officially "Björn Höcke"). I know many new right people see objective necessity in siding with the new style natsocs because there has been a general societal tendency of expanding the definition of "fash/neonazi" to literally everything unpleasant to neolibs or pseudo leftists, mainly driven by the institutional contamination with '68 style upper class academic commies handling managed democracy. The problem is that fascism isn't just a bus ride where you can get some distance done with and just leave at every stop you want. All I'm saying is just be right wing proper, not fall for the fash bait.
@dagda@Kirino@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dj@lonelyowl13@p@phnt@ube I totally forgot that I know right wing weeb who dislikes the AfD and also won't buy the story of them being the secret revival of national socialism, because their Lesbian general secretary sided with Israel on television.
@dagda@dj@lonelyowl13@phnt@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino@ube > Leftists own the cultural management of society, not the economic monopolies. Tell that the trade unions. Also the economic system is pretty irrelevant for what leftists are thinking about lolberts in general.
> So if I vote SPD (social democratic party) I get socialism? Very yes. More social programs, more regulations of the economy and even a extension of the welfare state via reform. How do you think the dole got extended during the last administration?
> I just explained the exact same thing to you, it's how academic class traitor commies intimidate the masses to defend western monopolistic capital rule. By seeing part of the world just like you and propagandizing a bunch of schizo delusions.
Stop trying to convince me that the AfD gonna be the second coming of the National Socialist Worker's Party of Germany. It isn't. There is no evidence. No, speculations about some Anon from Thuringia is not evidence. That's speculation. This is getting more and more bizarre by every post.
It was not declared untrue, it was held back for legal contestation by AfD and likely political stability reasons (an analysis leading to excluding ~30% of the people from society is politically explosive, even if it's factually true).
>Tell that any lefty. He gonna burg about Marx and how self personal responsibility doesn't work at all. They will then tell you how it is a typical lolbert catchphrase they use whenever they want to block some regulation.
Leftists own the cultural management of society, not the economic monopolies. Everyone will pay lipservice to the cultural and academic industry class but the real decisions and handshakes are made by german boomers with Nazi capital who don't give a shit about all of that. Merkel (16 years of being chancellor) first went into the political arena with a lolbert austrian school program. She dismissed it when she discovered that politics doesn't need an ideology when you have power (Brezhnev Moment), so she later became known for her big tent, please everyone policies. If Lolberts were really so edgy she wouldn't have been able to become the most influential person for 16 years.
>What counts is still the fucking Party Manifesto. So if I vote SPD (social democratic party) I get socialism? (It's literally in the party program). What you get by vote is the people of said party with all their interests and networks. Party manifestos don't mean shit, SPD has pushed more reckless anti-working class policies than lolberts ever have because they represent large parts of monopolistic productive industries and corrupt unions, as well as academic anti-working class commies.
>No the only place where the AfD is fascist where the word is used synonymously with non-communist; Western Libtardation.
I just explained the exact same thing to you, it's how academic class traitor commies intimidate the masses to defend western monopolistic capital rule. It has been going for a long time but just about when the broken clock rings right for a change everyone has already dismissed their authority.
>That Landolf Ladig thing strikes me as leftwing tinfoil. Nobody knows who the guy actually is.
Ladig used hyperspecific language exclusive of higher up NPD theory schools that no one outside of them ever used, with the very exception of this one suspicious history teacher guy "Björn Höcke". There is a long read on the evidence aggregated by a foundation close to the socialist party (you would need to translate it by machine sadly). I know you will immediately dismiss it, but the objective evidence in the document are very convincing, for me personally truth is not dependent on who says it, I will never dismiss something a right winger says as untrue when it factually isn't, even if I'm rivaling with their general framework of thought.
@ube@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@Kirino >post about pedophiles being subhuman >Maija gives fav Whenever I think I hate myself I can always remind myself that at least I'm not even close to Maija levels of hate. Thanks Maija :blobheartcat:
@ube@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@Kirino@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda Owl keeps suggesting excuse, maija keeps saying "yes, actually, despite the other excuses not holding, this one is accurate", and while we're waiting for your countdown to hit zero, I wonder if someone should start a clock for Owl, too.
@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@p@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino yeah which kinda sucks cuz ngl thats been my ban reason a couple of times like "you know that looks like your agreeing right" also a source of MUCH drama of mine including a lot of newer stuff with this shit "she liked posts from bad people!" yes because i opened to see what it was and then i clicked like to indicate i read it idk where other fedi people got this but i picked up this behaviour from instagram dms. iirc no read indicator but you could like messages
There's no one committed to the bit to the extent that they do what you are doing and keep it up for years. Use pretend irony or make excuses, latch onto whatever claim you think will work at the time. Not my business. But you lie to my face and I'm not willing to pretend. Anyone that saw all the associations over time, anyone that saw what happened with rot.gives, anyone that's watched anyone that has known you for very long has some conclusions they've got to come to if they're paying attention to anything.
A cop-magnet is worse than a cop, because one cop is just one cop. It's the difference between seeing one ant on your porch and seeing a beer-soaked loaf of bread on the grass in your front yard.
Anyway, maybe you'll get some more sympathy from Nice Crew Dot Gov.
@p@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino it's not a bit i just dont care and i say this and then they keep replying like "oh whats with all these excuses huh is something going on?" when i very early explained i genuinelly just dont care. but its funny to see how long it goes on for. anyways re me for a long time, i hardly remember rot.gives, i probably interacted with people there before the poor reputation? atleast errante. i was more of a moralfag back then and scared of conflict though so most of my dramas were at worst like "boo shes a little bit transphobic"
I talked to him a moderate amount myself back in the day, and there is no denying that this is what he was. I do not think anyone can forget that his pinned post for the longest time was effectively a story about how being socially outcast hard enough turned him into a pedophile.
It's the most chilling thing that I have ever read - it just sticks in your mind. I don't see how someone forgets that.
@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@p@dagda@Kirino ive seen it happens many times i dont see what the big deal is maybe just dont ostracize and hate somebody for an attraction they cant control? maybe theyre being pushed into echo chambers where potentially harmful shit by your normal morality can fester and grow? maybe you need to show them, and everybody, a little more love and kindness? sounds obvious to me. hurt people hurt people. scared someones gonna rape a kid and the solution is destroying their life so they have nothing left to lose by doing that? thats retarded. antis only cause more child abuse. maybe you should try being supportive and helping them to not offend instead of hurting them and making them worse.
I disagree with this sentiment in general, and here in particular it sounds like a threat. "Treat pedophiles well or they're going to go rape a child."
The reality is that most people who *do* get hurt can manage to keep themselves from lashing out at people. Hurting a pedophile's feelings is not going to be the underlying cause of them going out and raping a child.
I think it is well and good to peacefully have these sorts of discussions with them, but you can't let them walk all over you and you can't just take everything they say at face value. (This is true of any group.)
@ube@FailurePersonified@Kirino@dagda@lonelyowl13@p I do agree that hurting people *to the degree that people hurt errante* will definitely throw them into the echo chamber and cause...well, errante...but errante *also* never actually offended to my knowledge.
> they are very different from the other newgon sort of circles shit
Newgon is not about fixing the problem, either. Newgon was what really flipped me on the issue: they're publishing debate scripts for "RoadMAPs" to spam on fedi to advocate for acceptance of kidfucking. Newgon's worse than any of these fuckers.
@p@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino every single on of those is the lolison circle and i hate them with a passion. lolison, pawoo, these gooner circles are genuinelly attrocious, i despise them, and you will likely never see me interacting favorably with them. they are very different from the other newgon sort of circles shit
This isn't even "anti-contact" or "romantic attraction" like some folks love to claim, it's literal child rape advocacy, if this is kind of "attraction they can't control", then these folks must be in jail or a nuthouse image.png
You started the argument. We were talking about andreas being a wignat and you hopped in to claim mint had caused you problems for "literally nothing", then it's lies and bullshit and excuses. I said I don't care, but I'd rather you keep it away from me, and while it's here in my face, I'm not going to pretend.
> id bring up studies and psychiatric opinions of map shit and stigma but i am dead of energy.
I've seen those studies. Those were in the debate scripts and people cite the papers but half the time they don't even know what was *in* the papers.
> i'm so fucking drained here its been nearly a year and a half of this bullshit
I do not feel any sympathy.
> call me a pedophile i dont fucking care at least im not mean
I don't know what part of "I'm an asshole" you failed to grasp, but I'm a real bastard and anything in the vicinity of diaper-sniper advocacy is a goddamn horror. Nobody likes lying, it drains you: the thing that holds people back is that they're worried that people will dislike them or won't do what they want them to do. I don't give a shit about either of those things.
@p@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino im so fucking sick of arguing in this thread. id bring up studies and psychiatric opinions of map shit and stigma but i am dead of energy. please feel free to assume i said something retarded and i'm wrong. im so fucking tired of this "lets call maija a pedo and then argue about it and she's too fucking retarded and compulsive to just not respond when she thinks somebody is wrong" okay yes everything said about me is true im literally satan and hitlers child for not seeing a problem with talking to people, i'm so fucking drained here its been nearly a year and a half of this bullshit i will never change my viewpoint you guys never will why the fuck do i put up with this bullshit, call me a pedophile i dont fucking care at least im not mean
@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@p@dagda@Kirino@ube I mean there's far worse in those spheres, and it actually comes from the children who throw themselves into those circles. It's actually pretty heart-wrenching to see the particulars of how they act. Seeing children try to emotionally deal with problems that even adults can't handle is painful.
No screenshots. I didn't take any, because I wish I could rip the memory out of my brain.
In a better society we'd treat pedophilia as the unfortunate and dangerous mental affliction that it is: by attempting to treat their paraphilia in a nice mental institution far away from any children.
Treating pedophiles with compassion does not mean that we should ignore the real harm they can cause.
@p@lonelyowl13@FailurePersonified@ceo_of_monoeye_dating@dagda@Kirino i had sexual stuff with adults as a little kid and i dont regret it or got traumatized by that. i also got raped as a kid. believe me i can tell the difference. still miss some of em sometimes (not the rapist)
"People were mean to me I have to rape this child"
Get fucked, normal people don't respond that way. I've been hurt by a lot of fucking people and my solution was to be generally kinder and open to listening to those around me.
My self-destructive shit stayed mine. I never hurt anyone because of my pain, eat a bullet if you do.