On hols right now, will try to remember to do this when I get back and can figure out how to send it.
Meanwhile, have boosted.
Might be worth re-posting in a few weeks when people are less likely to be halfway up a mountain.
On hols right now, will try to remember to do this when I get back and can figure out how to send it.
Meanwhile, have boosted.
Might be worth re-posting in a few weeks when people are less likely to be halfway up a mountain.
@ianhecht @mentallyalex @TonyStark
Kids need to be fed. For the benefit of the hard of thinking, I'll repeat that. Kids need to be fed.
In any civilised society, one of the key roles of government is to ensure that kids get fed, regardless of who their parents are or what they may have done.
I'm not trying to convert anyone (that's against my religion).
But I like exposing atheists to the idea that the (Christian) religion they have rejected is a narrow and restricted concept, which many real religions don't follow.
I don't believe in a God who tells me to do things. I don't believe in blasphemy.
So I really can't answer your question. Except to say that you persist in not understanding the premise. Or possibly, if I did start to think that God commanded me in such ways, I should seek psychiatric care and probably anti-psychotic medication. Because that's the only way I can imagine such a scenario.
I am the religious one here.
Religious people other than fundamentalist Christians have spent three thousand years discussing this *conundrum. And learning deeply from doing so.
But yeah, fundamentalist Christians waltz in and assume it should be taken at face value. And atheists follow their lead.
*I once gave a sermon. On the akeida. I'm not a Talmud scholar. But even I know enough to find many different ways of learning from this superficially challenging story. A bit like the Greek myths..
Hm, I said you seemed to be getting a bit desperate... but I hadn't expected you to confirm that so conclusively.
I mean, WTAF. You know I'm not Christian. It's pretty easy to discern I'm not American.
I started this conversation by saying the religion atheists don't believe in is invariably Christianity (because they know fuck-all about any other). So.. thank you for proving my point.
Sounds to me that you're getting a bit desperate now.
If some atheists have been exposed to the idea that religion can be more diverse, flexible and accommodating than the fundamentalist Christianity they have rightly rejected... I'd see that as a win.
I assume you're aware that there are well-established religions that don't even have a god?
Or that there are religions that don't assume that morality is dependent on belief?
Oh, no, I guess that would be too much to hope for.
You are so fucking ignorant.
You don't even know what a religion is.
"Establish things as fact"? Erm, nope. Not mine, buddy.
Yes, I follow you because sometimes I need to know what harm people are doing. You're as ignorant as fuck and yet you call me a moron?
And as for the Akeida... there are many centuries of deep wisdom about what it means and what we can learn from it.
Only know-nothing literalist Protestant Christians come up with rubbish like yours.
Please if you want to criticise reformed Christianity, go ahead. But you know NOTHING of other religions so don't assume they are the same.
I assume you do realise that the reason Israelites referred to the Philistines as "the uncircumcised", and collected their foreskins as trophies, is because all other local desert peoples practised circumcision. The coastal Philistines were the weirdos because they didn't.
Oh, no, you didn't? That's because you're ignorant as fuck.
As I said, the only religion atheists understand (and reject) is Christianity. They know fuck all about anything else.
Agree it's useful - it's a very very old trick from the other place. Usually called soft-blocking.
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