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    Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 29-Jul-2024 00:02:11 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:

    Cis allies in the UK: Send HMRC a GDPR right to erasure request to remove your gender! Template request:

    Dear Data Protection Office,

    As you are no doubt aware, Article 17 of the Data Protection Act 2018 (UK GDPR) grants a "right to erasure".

    It is my understanding that HMRC, jointly with DWP, has records of my gender. I also understand that HMRC claims a "legitimate interest" basis for processing these records, however neither HMRC nor DWP have been able to cite any specific legislation or regulations that currently require that information.

    According to ICO guidance "It is not enough to rely on vague or generic business interests." and. You must think about specifically what you are trying to achieve with the particular processing operation.". Furthermore, when relying on this basis, your processing must be weighed against the individual's interests, rights, and freedoms.

    Gender is a very personal matter to me, and UK courts have repeatedly reaffirmed that it is covered under Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1998, which protects my "right to respect for [my] private and family life".

    Since the UK fully equalized pension ages in 2019, there is no clear, widely applicable need for HMRC or DWP to process gender information. ICO guidance states that information processing relying on a legitimate interest basis "must be a targeted and proportionate way of achieving your purpose".

    Processing gender information for every taxpayer is neither targeted nor proportionate. If there were some obscure circumstances where this information were required, HMRC and/or DWP could accomplish their compliance goals in a targeted and proprotionate way by only requesting and processing gender data as needed.

    As complying with my request will require you to identify my records, I am providing my details here:

    Name: ____
    Date of birth: ____
    National Insurance Number: ____
    Address: ___

    Sincerely,

    Email to: advice.dpa@hmrc.gov.uk

    If they refuse, complain to your MP.

    In conversation about 10 months ago from infosec.exchange permalink

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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 29-Jul-2024 03:58:43 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
      in reply to

      I'm honestly more annoyed by the refusal to justify their position than I am by them refusing to delete my gender.

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 07:14:14 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
      in reply to
      • Hilary

      @regordane halfway up a mountain?

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      Hilary (regordane@mastodon.me.uk)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 07:14:16 JST Hilary Hilary
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      @ryanc

      On hols right now, will try to remember to do this when I get back and can figure out how to send it.

      Meanwhile, have boosted.

      Might be worth re-posting in a few weeks when people are less likely to be halfway up a mountain.

      In conversation about 10 months ago permalink
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      Alex :nonbinary_flag: (alexlomas@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 16:24:31 JST Alex :nonbinary_flag: Alex :nonbinary_flag:
      in reply to

      @ryanc Apropos this, my employer recently forced me to choose a binary option in HR systems as that sends it to HMRC for payroll, and they only expect “M” or “F”.
      As you say there is now literally no reason for them to need this.

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 16:26:37 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
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      • Alex :nonbinary_flag:

      @alexlomas They don't even compare it against any other records.

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Alex :nonbinary_flag: (alexlomas@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 16:28:40 JST Alex :nonbinary_flag: Alex :nonbinary_flag:
      in reply to

      @ryanc Like HMRC have whole secret departments for dealing with trans people’s gender changes, surely it would be easier not to handle it at all!

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 16:31:02 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
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      • Alex :nonbinary_flag:

      @alexlomas They only deal with it if you have a GRC, however there is a backdoor way to change things.

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 18:41:31 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
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      • cybervegan

      @cybervegan Even so, they should be forced to justify it.

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      cybervegan (cybervegan@autistics.life)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 18:41:32 JST cybervegan cybervegan
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      @ryanc Well played, but the government always has an implicit exemption, or will make an explicit one if pushed.

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 18:56:25 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
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      • cybervegan

      @cybervegan Exactly.

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      cybervegan (cybervegan@autistics.life)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 18:56:26 JST cybervegan cybervegan
      in reply to

      @ryanc Yeah for sure. I'm not dissing the effort - this is resistance. If they get enough of these, they will need to "do" "something".

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 22:51:48 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
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      • 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat
      • Gary Parker :party_porg:

      @WiteWulf @HauntedOwlbear I wrote to my MP, who HMRC told to pound sand.

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Gary Parker :party_porg: (witewulf@cyberplace.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 22:51:50 JST Gary Parker :party_porg: Gary Parker :party_porg:
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      • 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat

      @ryanc @HauntedOwlbear

      No

      I see what you’re trying to do, and broadly agree with the intent. But it’s a government department that is likely badly understaffed, overworked, and funded by the tax that comes out of *my* salary. I’m not going to make life worse for them, and everyone that genuinely relies on their services, in their personal and business lives, to make a point.

      There are better ways to do this than giving this department more work to do

      I’ll write to my MP instead

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 14-Feb-2025 22:54:31 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
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      • 13 barn owls in a trenchcoat
      • Gary Parker :party_porg:

      @WiteWulf @HauntedOwlbear I assure you, I pay more in taxes than it's costing them to deal with me and everyone else who asks for this.

      In conversation about 3 months ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 15:01:59 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
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      • plis kiss this lis :kiss:
      • Yahe

      @yahe @lis that is what they claimed. They have since started claiming some other bullshit like public purpose.

      The most ridiculous was that they claimed they needed legal gender for anti fraud purposes.

      In conversation about a month ago permalink
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      Yahe (yahe@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 15:02:01 JST Yahe Yahe
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      • plis kiss this lis :kiss:

      @ryanc @lis I‘d be astounded if the HMRC really based any of their data processings on their legitimate interest as of Article 6 (1) sentence 1 point (f) UK GDPR, given that public authorities cannot use it as a legal basis for the performance of their tasks (see Article 6 (1) sentence 2 UK GDPR).

      In conversation about a month ago permalink
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      Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 18-Apr-2025 15:19:59 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:
      in reply to
      • plis kiss this lis :kiss:
      • Yahe

      @yahe @lis They really did not like dealing with me, as I kept shredding their arguments, then eventually told me to fuck off.

      I'm going to take them to court.

      In conversation about a month ago permalink

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