@madison@Captain80s@tyler It's frustrating that they will get away with doing this to you all. This behavior should be illegal (like death penalty illegal). But this is America's legal system.
My parents went through something similar, because they opposed replacing a tennis court with a basketball court in their HOA. They claimed the basketball court would lead to a higher crime rate (it did) and so the HOA said they did "reputational damage" and sued them. Then they dragged the case out as long as they could, basically hoping my parents would run out of money before a judgment could be made, and then they could take their house in the settlement. At one point the HOA president even sent a letter to my fathers work, claiming that my dad sexually assaulted me which effectively ended his career (he was military at the time), and spread "anonymous letters" to our neighbors saying my mom strangled someone's pet cat. Even after my parents sued for libel and won, and also won the lawsuit against the HOA, they never recovered all of the money they spent on the case, which was over 100K, or undid the real reputational damage they caused for my parents, and the whole thing nearly led to my parents getting a divorce due to the stress. The only good thing that came from the whole thing was that the lawyer representing the HOA was disbarred, but she was also like 1000 years old so it didn't matter at that point.
The fact that the US government allows this to occur makes me so mad. Our legal system is a complete joke, and people have no idea how bad it is until they experience something like that.
@Frondeur@Xenophon@Humpleupagus@Terry@Hoss I get the impression that most of these people are also technically atheists, but are making fun of "non-believers" who made "not believing" their whole personality.
@Hoss@Hyperhidrosis Nothing, if in the US. The basics is that in the US it's generally legal to use it unless people can be misled by it's use (so don't spray it on a van and then drive it around during an emergency situation). What would probably happen is that they would instead try to limit it's sale outside the US. It's easier to just change the color.
Outside the US the story might be different though.
@NoDoxGregBrady@BowsacNoodle@adequate@MartianM00n@cjd@Paultron@Victor_Emmanuel@threalist He answered it that way because there is, as far as I know, at least four explanations for magnetism, but there are probably more. The first comes from classical electrodynamics. "Moving charges produce magnetic fields!" The second comes from relativity. "Moving charges see length contraction, which changes the density of electric charges relative to other electric charges, changing the balance of forces between them". And then there is the quantum answers. "Magnetic forces are caused by electron’s spin, and give rise to a magnetic dipole moments" and "magnetic forces are a manifestation from the exchange of virtual photons when particles are in motion relative to each other."
The problem is that this gets into bigger questions. What is spin? What are magnetic dipole moments? What is length contraction. What are virtual photons?
I think what he was upset by is that people who answer these questions tend to make analogies to give the feeling that you understand it, but really don't. Basically, I think he was mad because I think he thought they were wanting him to give some "pop science" answer like "magnetic forces are like rubber bands".
@cjd@BowsacNoodle@MartianM00n@Paultron@Victor_Emmanuel@adequate@threalist To make sure I don't come off as a pedantic ass, most of physics doesn't work in 100% of cases. There are occasionally nice overlaps between subjects, but often the models just don't work. Models in physics gives you a prediction, but when you run the actual experiment you have lots of potential errors that cause deviations.
But even when they don't work in a certain case, we still use them for others because the math is easy to work with, or the accuracy we need isn't great enough to use more complex models.
Even the "shining jewels" of physics, Quantum mechanics, the Standard Model, and Relativity, are either incomplete, make incorrect predictions, or fail to predict certain phenomenon.
Now to be fair to them, afaik these three models have "passed" every test thrown at them, *but there are still lots of unexplained phenomenon and the general consensus is that we'll discover something strange someday that will upend one or all of these models. But we will still also use them because they worked so well up to a certain point.