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Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse (feralphilosophernc@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:14 JST Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse
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Not trying to mock Observer, but...
>We are built to mainly eat carbs

Lol
Lmao

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  Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:08 JST Matty
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  Any caloric excess can be turned into fat whether it's fat, protein, or carbohydrates. If you eat an excess of 1000 calories per day of pure protein you'll still put on fat.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:08 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @Escoffier protein conversion by gluconeogenesis is slower, and is costly:
  
  "The gluconeogenesis pathway is highly endergonic until it is coupled to the hydrolysis of ATP or GTP, effectively making the process exergonic. For example, the pathway leading from pyruvate to glucose-6-phosphate requires 4 molecules of ATP and 2 molecules of GTP to proceed spontaneously. These ATPs are supplied from fatty acid catabolism via beta oxidation"
  
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  Rose (rose@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:09 JST Rose
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  Again Pharaohs were the wealthy who could eat whatever they wanted and were not required to do manual labor. Dietary illnesses of the wealthy are not uncommon throughout history.
  
  I have never claimed people should eat grains to excess. I do however believe manual laborers benefit from carbohydrates in their diet. Even if they eat them at dinner, go to bed, store it as body fat, and then burn it the next day while working. Dietary fats can’t really help you replace body fat that you’ve lost through work. Because the body can’t turn fat into body fat. Only carbs or deconstructed protein can do that.
  
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  Rose (rose@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:10 JST Rose
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  Grains store better than most any other food. People overlook the value of that in a world of modern food preservation means. But intact grains can store for 20 years if kept dry and free of pests. Meat, vegetables, and dairy have to be chilled, frozen, smoked, canned, fermented, ect. Although eating grains alone is a poor diet, grains are the foundation for society because they provide caloric security in times of famine.
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:10 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @Rose @feralphilosophernc @Volkish_Observer As Dr. Mike Eades notes even the Pharoahs of ancient egypt were having all sorts of grain related health problems...
  
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  Observer/Noticer (volkish_observer@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:11 JST Observer/Noticer
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  I get what you're saying and truth be told I'm on an almost no-sugar diet myself. But the fact that all this, our civilization what we have here. It's only because we grew grains of various kinds and used that for our main nutrition. For a couple thousand years. That's not horseshit like the new science which discovers new genders you know.
  
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  Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse (feralphilosophernc@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:11 JST Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse
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  Ketosis isn't new though. It's just our understanding of it that's new.
  
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  Observer/Noticer (volkish_observer@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:12 JST Observer/Noticer
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  Oh I'm sure. It's just you're the one arguing against orthodoxy, so you don't have the luxury of marching though. You will face opposition. If your diet works for you that's great.
  
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  Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse (feralphilosophernc@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:12 JST Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse
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  I'm aware people oppose it. They also think racism is bad. Just because a large number of people believe something doesn't make it so. The past 5 years alone, and the sketchy "science" presented as fact should give people pause to consider what conventional "wisdom" is absolute horseshit. Pray God grant you discernment, or if you're neo-pagan, then the trees or something.
  
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  Observer/Noticer (volkish_observer@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:13 JST Observer/Noticer
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  It's like when our people went from hunter gatherers to a grain based species. And I do agree it was disastrous. Hunter-gatherers way back when were taller and smarter than our average people are now.
  But man, that's how the cookie crumbled and we did evolve to be grain based. Wheat, rice, you know. That's how civilization started.
  
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  Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse (feralphilosophernc@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:29:13 JST Your Loud, Obnoxious Skunkle Jesse
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  @Escoffier has absolutely so much data which refutes this that I won't even try.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:30:48 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @Escoffier people can often feel like they never get "full" eating carbs, but not so with protein and fat.
  
  But also remember that eating anything that is powderized will mess with your stomach sensations.
  
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  ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:39:04 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??
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  That why do people get skinny when they eat plutonium? 😒
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  Rose (rose@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:39:05 JST Rose
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  Hmmm I thought only glucose could be turned into body fat. Carbs and protein can be digested into glucose, but fats can’t. Am I wrong? That’s an honest question, not me being snarky.
  
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  Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:39:05 JST Matty
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  Calories in > calories out = fat gain
  Likewise the inverse is true as well. Your body will use a certain amount of protein and then piss some of it out if you go beyond what your body can use. The rest will be turned into fat. That is, unless, you lift weights and your muscles can use it to grow stronger.
  
  Low carbohydrate diets like keto help you lose weight because it forces your body to tap into fat stores via ketones to feed the mitochondria. However, beyond a certain point you'll begin burning through muscle because that energy has to come from somewhere. It just so happens that burning muscle for energy is costly. It depends on your genetics. Your brain utilizes sugars for most of its function because they are readily available and easy to metabolize. People spend so much time trying to find the right supplements and balances of micro and macro nutrients just to lose or gain weight. You don't need that. Just control your caloric intake. God is not the author of confusion.
  
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  DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:04 JST DM me cats :nv:
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  @d0c40r0 @Escoffier @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Well, hang on. Does insulin affect fat storage at all? If it does, then it's not a straight conversion of calories to fat, because the fat storage capability of the body needs to be considered.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:04 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @CatLord @d0c40r0 @Escoffier @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Yes. Receptors tells body to make insulin to use the available energy or store it. Some of them become desensitized after too much regular use (we know this with dopamine for example). One of the receptors will trigger more easily from fructose than glucose (GLUT-# I think?), and too much abuse on it will screw up your signals telling your body to take in sugar and make fat or send out fat to make sugar. Eventually it stops reacting properly and you don't really respond when given sugar (prediabetes). When people start losing weight like crazy in full diabetes mode, their body is unaware of its own glucose level and is dumping fat and making sugar with bad signals. This sounds like it should be good, but what happens is you start damaging your organs and risk stroke and other stuff when concentration of blood glucose is too high.
  
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  Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:05 JST Doc
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  Where do you think the calorie surplus magically goes if not fat
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:06 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @d0c40r0 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty My niggas in Christ explain to me why i said what i said?
  
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  Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:06 JST Doc
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  Brother you don’t just shit or piss out the calories if your body doesn’t want them, they stay in your body because that’s what it’s designed to do — your body stores every excess it can and releases surplus when it needs so that it can survive as long as possible
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:06 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @d0c40r0 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty If you don't know its ok to say i don't know
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:07 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @d0c40r0 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Thank you for disproving CICO
  
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  Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:07 JST Doc
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  It’s quite simple, if you lost weight your numbers were probably wrong in some way — everyone’s body takes different amounts of energy to burn different types of food and absorbs different amounts of energy from it but it’s still calories in versus calories out
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:08 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Oh gosh no. this is old bad info. Please allow me to explain the science i used to lose 300 lbs.
  
  So when you consume processed carbs of any kind (sugar, wheat, or starch) they cause your body to produce insulin (which is the fat storage hormone) and the consumed carbs are turned into triglycerides which it attempts to put into muscles or fat storage.
  
  Now where this gets fun is if your insulin level remains high it makes it so your body cannot access the stored fat which doctors wold refer to as "energy."
  
  Meat, fat, high fiber veggies and fruits will not make you fat as both fiber and fat keep your blood sugar lower.
  
  Gary Taubes book Why We Get Fat is probably the best book to get a grasp on the science.
  
  CICO (calories in calories out) which is what you're advocating has very much been debunked in fact i ate about a 1/3 more calories while I was losing all the weight.
  
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  Doc (d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:09:08 JST Doc
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  If you don’t eat you lose weight, it’s simple energy transfer
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:14:11 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @d0c40r0 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty @Escoffier Sometimes. BMR can be substantially different from person to person even with comparable physique.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:34:19 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @d0c40r0 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty @Escoffier Available energy in the body for whatever: btemp goes up, you'll sweat more, poop, muscle build, etc.
  
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  Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:36 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
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  @Escoffier @Francisco @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Medical school does an absolutely shit job teaching fundamental human nutrition, aside from the physical manifestations of vitamin deficiencies (scurvy, pellagra, rickets)
  
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  M. Night Charlemayne (deerblood@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:36 JST M. Night Charlemayne
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  @TrevorGoodchild @Escoffier @Francisco @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Doctors rarely know much outside of their respective areas
  
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  Francisco (francisco@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:37 JST Francisco
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  @Escoffier @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc If you're interested in the topic, for entry level discussion I would recommend you read chapters 68 to 72 of Guyton and Hall's Textbook of Medical Physiology.
  
  Here's an archive of it, it's slightly outdated but still relevant.
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:37 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @Francisco @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Let me ask you a question: are you under the impression that most people have a good outcome with weight loss issues when they visit a doctor?
  
  I can tell you that had i not abandoned modern medicine entirely and fundamentally did the opposite i would be dead today. I think diet and nutrition are arguably the least science based endeavor in medicine today.
  
  @TrevorGoodchild thoughts?
  
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  Francisco (francisco@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:38 JST Francisco
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  @Escoffier @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc I'm sorry but it is correct.
  
  People love keto mostly because they see fast results (and because media told them to), but the initial weight loss is mostly water and not due to lipid breakdown.
  
  While metabolism is a wonderful and complex system, the underlying principles are very simple:
  
  Intake - Consumption = Storage
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:38 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @Francisco @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Really? I've been doing it for twenty years and have talked to hundreds of people who have done it for over a decade and what you just said is not true.
  
  So how do you know what you're saying to be true? Direct me to something i can read on the subject.
  
  If you'd like to actually learn something (which i highly doubt) read Gary Taubes.
  
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  Francisco (francisco@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:39 JST Francisco
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  @CatLord @matty @Escoffier @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Any "diet" will do as long as the person controls their calorie intake and stops overloading their bodies with carbs.
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:39 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @Francisco @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc I'm sorry but this is not correct. I wish this were true but its very much not. As a person that had to lose 300 pounds to die the reason i went with a ketogenic diet was precisely because it was the only one that actually made sense on the science.
  
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  Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:40 JST Matty
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  I lost 70 pounds in 4 months by cutting my caloric intake to 500 calories per day. I'm glad that worked for you but the placebo effect is a hell of a drug itself. What worked for you may not work for others. A diabetic cannot do keto as they would risk suffering from diabetic ketoacidosis. Like any other "fad" diet, it works for some and not others, but what will work is putting less food into your body. You cannot bypass human biology.
  
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  DM me cats :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:40 JST DM me cats :nv:
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  @matty @Escoffier @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Many diabetics do actually go on the keto diet. I'm not like a keto fanatic or whatever but it's true that it helps many diabetus people a lot.
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:41 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Do you know many people end up doing accidental keto when they reduce calories? CICO has been profoundly debunked.
  
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  Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:41 JST Matty
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  Carbohydrate dense foods are generally calorie dense, so cutting sweets and soda out of your diet and replacing them with "healthier" foods does not mean you're doing ketosis. Your argument doesn't make sense.
  >they lower their calorie counts so they're actually doing keto which debunks CICO
  
  Are you pulling my leg?
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:41 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Brother i lost 300 pounds doing keto. I did because it made the most sense and the science added up. I ate more calories as i lost the weight and have kept off more than 200 twenty years later.
  
  And no i'm definitely not pulling your leg.
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:42 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Yes it is located conveniently in meat. With every other nutrient you require.
  
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  Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:42 JST Matty
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  I lost a ton of weight by lowering my caloric intake to 500 calories per day. Therefore CICO is correct.
  
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  @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Brother i've been doing keto/carnivore for over twenty years. If true why hasn't this happened to me? I've also never gotten scurvy or had nutritional deficiencies and I mostly just eat carnivore out of laziness.
  
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  Matty (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:57:43 JST Matty
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  You've never gotten scurvy because you consume vitamin C
  
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  Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:58:00 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
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  @DEERBLOOD @Francisco @Escoffier @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Many such cases. See also:
  
  >Infectious disease consultation for an uncomplicated UTI
  >Endocrinology consult for a basic insulin regimen on a newly diagnosed diabetic
  >General surgery consult for 'abdominal pain' (do not do this)
  >Orthopedic/neurosurgery consult for acute lower back pain with no imaging (especially do not do this)
  
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  Francisco (francisco@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:58:01 JST Francisco
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  @DEERBLOOD @TrevorGoodchild @Escoffier @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc Yeah, over specialization can make things real messy lol
  
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  @Francisco @TrevorGoodchild @Escoffier @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc My gf is an internist and she jokes that she'll get consultations from other doctors that are like "the patient has organs. What do you we do?"
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 03:59:02 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @TrevorGoodchild @DEERBLOOD @Francisco @Escoffier @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc someone just on here had, I think, over a thousand dollars of test run to find out they were anemic.
  
  It's insane.
  
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  Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 04:31:23 JST Escoffier Gab refugee
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  @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild @DEERBLOOD @Francisco @CatLord @matty @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc My wife always had a mystery complaint they could never nail down. She also had gold plated insurance so her doc brought her into the hospital and ended up running 2 million dollars in tests. They never did figure it out.
  
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  ChadleyDudebro (chadleydudebro@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 04:31:23 JST ChadleyDudebro
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  Sounds like "The Science" wasn't settled.
  
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  Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 04:31:47 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
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  @ChadleyDudebro @Escoffier @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty @CatLord @DEERBLOOD @Francisco @sickburnbro It's called the 'Art' of medicine for a reason
  
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  @Volkish_Observer @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @feralphilosophernc @matty The energy in and out thing was always bad science
  
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  M.T (mustard88@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 06:14:38 JST M.T
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  Been keto for 4 years lost weight gained muscle. I eat a ton of meat and I snack on bars of butter. My blood work always good no issues.
  
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  BuddyTex (buddytex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 06:14:38 JST BuddyTex
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  When you say snack on bars of butter, what are we talking about here? 1/day, 5/day?
  
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  afaik that's when the energy in -> energy out thing breaks, because the body can not store fats when running on fats for some physiological reason. So essentially it's an exploit.
  
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  @Escoffier @Volkish_Observer @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @feralphilosophernc @matty It's more complicated than calories in calories out, but CICO is very accurate for generalities. The CO part has a ton of latent variables that are missed often triggered by qualitative differences in CI.
  
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  I mean conservation laws are literally the best true scientific insights that exist. Conservation of momentum, energy, charge, angular momentum even. They all come with a symmetry too.
  But yeah there are reasons why the body can not metabolize some energy in. That's where you're 100% right there is bad science. I can't gulp a cuppa guzzoleene or eat a candle and expect to get energy from it.
  
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  @Volkish_Observer @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @feralphilosophernc @matty I don't dispute them I simply doubt they have any bearing on weight loss or weight gain. We aren't nuclear reactors.
  
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  @Volkish_Observer @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @feralphilosophernc @matty I'm sorry man it just doesn't apply here.
  
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  Man I know that ketosis exists. Atkins happened in like the 70s it's old news. Yes it works but I just think true discipline is a superior guide to an exploit in the system.
  
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  It works when some loon claims they subsist on water only, or air or love or whatever. Because energy in must necessarily > energy out.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 06:31:47 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @Escoffier @Volkish_Observer @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @feralphilosophernc @matty It's not a dumb idea, but it might be wrong. The only reason to set the food on fire was to get a reasonable estimate of latent chemical energy. Stuff is catabolized by the body and energy is released along the way. We know the number of ATP molecules a single glucose molecule can recharge. We know how many are in a gram. We can work backwards for nutrition for that, but it flat out doesn't factor in the internal processes that contribute to rate or absorption and how quickly it's accessible (glycemic index) or micronutrients along for the ride. The calorie is a convenience tool that's reasonably accurate.
  
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  @BowsacNoodle @Volkish_Observer @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @feralphilosophernc @matty I'll go so far as to dispute that there are even calories. I think it was a dumb idea based on weirdness, i mean we literally don't set the food on fire
  
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  Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 06:35:31 JST Omega Variant
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  All I can say is CICO worked for me on weight loss 🤷🏻
  
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  @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty @Escoffier It's worked for me before too. But I've also increased calories while losing fat from changing up diet. I look at it like physics where there's simple equations that are close enough (v=v0+at) vs more accurate ones. We can ignore those variables and see if it works, and if it doesn't we should look at them. Metabolic syndrome is real.
  
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  @Omega_Variant @BowsacNoodle @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Here's the thing. People a lot smarter than me have stated there is no weight loss without some form of low carb. I would suggest to you that the most likely explanation is when you reduced the amount of food you inadvertently did keto. Happens all the time
  
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  @Escoffier @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty I lost weight not in ketosis. I did restrict carbs because I was on an elimination diet and wanted unprocessed foods only, but it was not to the level of ketosis.
  
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  @BowsacNoodle @Volkish_Observer @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @feralphilosophernc @matty I'm a pretty bright guy who needed to lose 300 lbs so i read my ass off and tried to understand the science of weight loss and gain. I can only say i'm skeptical about every single claim made by the authorities related to weight loss and weight gain. Not kidding.
  
  Put a different way even if true it just doesn't matter. Absent carbs the body doesn't know how to gain weight so even if true who cares?
  
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  @BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty How do you know you weren't in ketosis?
  
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  @Escoffier @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty I was around 80-100 carbs per day. Lower if we count "net carbs" (subtraction of fiber), but still well above expected threshold for my height and weight.
  
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  Observer/Noticer (volkish_observer@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 06:44:23 JST Observer/Noticer
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  The in out thing is still important and effective. Imagine a person who wants to lose weight. Scenario A : Consume 4 bread 4 meat 4 beer - constant (high) body weight. Scenario B : Consume 2 bread 2 meat 8 beer - lose weight!
  It's like, if you eat less of course you will lose fuggen weight man.
  
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  Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 06:45:25 JST Omega Variant
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  Yea I lost mine eating whatever I wanted
  
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  @Escoffier @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Theres more than one way to do it, there's probably an ideal way for different people based on metabolic conditions, sex, genetics, etc. but I happen to do well on carb restrictions. Most of the crappy processed food is carbs, so if I cut them out, I'm fine. Fat fills you up and is often bundled with protein, so eating more of those helps me out. I can go by feeling at this point (feels like I need to cut carbs for a few weeks rn since I'm getting a gut).
  
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  @Escoffier @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty wow dude you lost 300? That's awesome
  
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  @BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Actually for a lot of people, especially those who's metabolism's aren't profoundly deranged that is absolutely low enough to trigger ketosis.
  
  I was 500 lbs so i was about as bad as it gets but if you are a normal person obviously you won't need to do it as strictly as i did
  
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  @BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty I mean so where do we disagree then? I agree that eating more fat and protein and cutting carbs is the ideal way to lose weight?
  
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  @Escoffier @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Seems I'm less rigid about it than you. I don't really care how someone chooses to diet as long as they're not being retarded and thinking they can subsist on negative calorie cabbage soup for a week as a substitute for their general unhealthy diet.
  
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  @Escoffier @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty heck yeah brother! That is awesome!
  
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  @BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty I did. I'm honestly amazed to still be alive. It was touch and go for about a year. And before i started keto i went to a doc who put me on a reduced calorie diet that didn't work, then a reduced fat diet where i gained weight and ultimately they wanted to do stomach stapling. The outcomes of which are not particularly good. That's when i said nothing but love but i'm gonna see if i can find something a little less stupid.
  
  Stumbled on keto. did it and lost the weight in a year. The docs then told me i'd have to have the excess skin surgically removed, i just kept rocking keto and the skin was also gone in a year.
  
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  Observer/Noticer (volkish_observer@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 06:54:23 JST Observer/Noticer
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  Mad respect from me, bro. Insane.
  
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  @Omega_Variant @BowsacNoodle @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Such as?
  
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  Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 06:54:51 JST Omega Variant
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  Like I didn't change my diet aside from eating less. So processed food, cupcakes, plenty of carbs.
  
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  @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty @BowsacNoodle If you choose to believe in the fairy tale of CICO i can't stop you. I'll simply note that keto/low carb is where the science is today. Read Gary Taubes for the deetz
  
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  @Escoffier @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty Hey man if something seems stupid but it works then it isn't stupid.
  
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  @BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty I don't care either and i don't gallop around yelling at people, but, while i agree different people may respond differently to different dietary interventions I would also note there is a lot of good science out there that most people don't know about because it is brutally supressed because the pharma-medico complex can't profit off of telling people to stop eating goyslop
  
  Also younger people as a rule can lose weight doing CICO it tends to work mush less well as you age
  
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  Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 07:15:35 JST Omega Variant
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  The more I see fad diets come and go the more I realize that people like Gary, likely know relatively nothing about how our bodies work. A diet that works great for one person doesn't for another.
  
  From my perspective it's all down to individual needs. Keto worked great for my parents but you also have health pros that will say it's bad for you especially long term.
  
  Perfect example. One guy at work says IF is not how you lose weight you eat more smaller meals through the day. Another days IF is they way as it leads to lifestyle changes. I tend to agree with the latter as IF made me lose the most weight while feeling my best and it was long term. I got to the point where I loved feeling the hunger pangs. 22 hours with no food sometimes.
  
  Pick your poison I guess, I've seen ketosis ruine someone's liver, I've seen it likely save someone's life.
  
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  And you kinda alluded to it. "Is where the science is today"
  
  What about yesterday when fat was bad and dairy bad? What about tomorrow when sugar is akshually good.
  
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  @Omega_Variant @BuddyTex @Mustard88 @Rose @Volkish_Observer @feralphilosophernc @matty @Escoffier Here's my hot take (cold rational logic): If you're currently obese, do whatever reasonable thing can get you to healthy weight, then fix your diet to one that helps you maintain that. When you're obese, your metabolism is likely screwed up and you need to reset things. Homeostasis is easier when things are in normal range.
  
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  Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 07:39:01 JST Bread up, Bro
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  @Volkish_Observer @TrevorGoodchild @ChadleyDudebro @Rose @feralphilosophernc @matty @CatLord @DEERBLOOD @Escoffier @Francisco both fine books. All science, applied or otherwise are art, no matter how some practitioners have tried to destroy it.
  
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  To be fair there's also the Art of Electronics (by Horowitz/Hill) and the Art of War (by 孫子).
  
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