Notices by brigrammer (brigrammer@poa.st)

And what alternative possibility explains their data?

I would imagine a protocol of providing the virus particles an opportunity to infect the cells in culture, getting a baseline of the amount of viral sequence in that sample with say PCR, then introducing those cells into a much larger culture, giving the cells time to infect their neighbors, then with something like PCR again determine the level of viral sequence in the new culture to see if replication occurred

but that is me being an armchair-engineer, I am not a scientist so I don't know the limits of their tests

as to how add one thing to another could cause number to go up if not infection - well, that just makes me think of the meat-maggot-fly problem and the simple test by means of keeping flies out that proved the meat did not spontaneously generate life

And what alternative possibility explains their data?

the cells themselves could be reacting to dna sequences like immune cells can, the viruses could be binding to cells and then without infection producing proteins on the surface of cells, the data itself could be faulty, etc. there are litterally an arbitrary number of possibilties

I cannot prove any of these things, it is not my field so I really shouldn't be coming up with alternatives, and it is not my burden to, it is the researcher's burden to disprove the endless possibility of other things and they researchers themselves do not say they proved infection and replication, merely presence of something they believed would increase if their idea was right

I am not opposed to them being right, science is not supposed to be adversarial but skeptical, and you have a jump to conclusions mind incompatible with the process of science

@jeffcliff they have a data point, they say "I think that could mean X", so now they need to go get other data to show that other possible causes for X are not shown by the data

because for a claim to be accepted, all alternative possibilities must be exhausted

you seem to assume I think "that did not happen" but I am thinking "they have a lot of work to do" and mostly am thinking "I am not sure how this has to do with Jeff, he should get a hobby and a girlfriend"

@jeffcliff They observed immunoflorecence, which they themselves say is at best an indication replication in animals cells may have happened

and I hope they do more research to find out if the cells are actually infected, and if they do perhaps there is a whole field of things for scientists to go look at

but you are applying McScience so much, confusing a result with a disproven null hypothesis, and ignoring the need for replication and verification, and fundamentally not understanding the Scientific process

touch grass

@jeffcliff if I read this correctly, tldr is they made a virus culture, sprinkled it on plants and added it to a culture of animal cells, and claim they virus got into both (well, only probably got into the animal cells, and no proof of actual infection)

so, assuming that was true (which - no, the abstract claims way too much and this is nowhere near showing what the abstract claims) - this does not demonstrate that any virus can let alone does do this in the wild

@jeffcliff did you find a species that does both, all I can find is things saying no

if you cannot find a specific species that is said to do both, and not just a very wikipedia blurb that cites a table of articles without an actual claim that one virus can do that, I have to say you have failed to disprove the null hypothesis that they can't

@jeffcliff https://byjus.com/biology/difference-between-plant-virus-and-animal-virus/

Please find A virus that can infect both, not a class of viruses.

Because I cannot find such a thing, and when I look the scientist people keep saying that isn't a thing.

@Turkleton I hope when Russia wins, they skin all of the drone operators alive

When "Russia wins" we will all be like 80 years old.

I will never understand Russia's unwillingness to wipe out all lives in Kyiv, Odessa, etc. because "they are Russians in our hearts"

war is about genociding the enemy, not being their friend

@Turkleton How much of Europe is White anymore - and I don't just mean skin, I mean spiritually?

The NATO niggers are such kike worshipping faggots, they don't deserve to be called White. Even the "far right" in Europe are to the left of the most crazed DNC leftist and more committed towards being last men.

Is it even possible to buy the latest Excel on CD/DVD-ROM?

there are a ton of Excel like libraries if you want to spin your own, and I think more of software world will move towards open source (often with some secondary revenue model)

but it will not be towards the linux style apps like libre-office which aren't very good

I wonder if the golden age of free software has passed

copyleft cancer that attracts the most dysgenic weirdos is dying

MIT style opensource continues to grow at a massive rate, because it has commercial value