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    Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 06:37:12 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou

    So, here's a problem I have with Mastodon: let's say I make a post and someone replies with a racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic comment. I can block that comment, but that only hides it for me. Other people who come to my page will see the comment, and believe that I tacitly condone that behaviour. I'd like to be able to delete the reply from my replies list entirely. Or at least hide replies from blocked accounts. And, yes, I know that wouldn't delete it from the originating server.

    In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 06:37:12 JST from cosocial.ca permalink
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      Annika Backstrom (annika@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 06:56:43 JST Annika Backstrom Annika Backstrom
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      @evan Yeah, today this really only works if you involve your admin

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 06:56:43 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:23:32 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty

      @funbaker could you unpack that please?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:23:32 JST permalink
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      funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty (funbaker@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:23:34 JST funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty
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      @evan There's no problem with each person be responsible for this on their own tho.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:23:34 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:27:13 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

      @jwildeboer it's not a fundamental problem; we've always made the OP responsible for the list of replies. That's why there's a `replies` collection in every ActivityPub object.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:27:13 JST permalink
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      Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:27:14 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
      in reply to

      @evan It's one of these classic, fundamental problems in decentralised networks ;) Who "owns" the list of replies? I would say the author of the starting thread gets to maintain the list of accepted replies and this list propagates across the fediverse. Others will say that at max a flag should be added with a qualifier and that other instances should be free to decide if/how they show/hide flagged replies. But who gets to add flags? Just the thread "owner" or any reader? Etc.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:27:14 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:27:48 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

      @jwildeboer if other people want to make racist replies to what I say, they can do that, but I don't have to republish it on my site.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:27:48 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:28:40 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

      @jwildeboer I don't think it's a complex issue at all! It's built into the protocol.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:28:40 JST permalink
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      Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:28:49 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
      in reply to

      @evan I'd favour the first approach. When you load a post from me (be it an original post or a reply I posted to someone else's post) you should receive a list of replies I accept. And I should be allowed to define what that list contains. But it's a complex issue.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:28:49 JST permalink
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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:33:11 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @evan Threads has nearly exactly this feature - “hide comment” where after you do that neither you nor anyone else sees it, but the original poster is NOT notified. So they don’t harass further.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:33:11 JST permalink
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      Brendan Jones (brendanjones@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:34:58 JST Brendan Jones Brendan Jones
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      • Adriano
      • glyn

      @adriano @underlap @evan But it is the most one can do atm without a tech fix, so it is a good suggestion.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:34:58 JST permalink
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      Adriano (adriano@lile.cl)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:34:59 JST Adriano Adriano
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      • glyn

      @underlap @evan your simple solution implies more work for the user, and ends with “presumably”.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:34:59 JST permalink
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      glyn (underlap@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:35:00 JST glyn glyn
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      @evan A simple solution would be to reply to the offensive post saying "I do not condone this and will now block your account" or similar. Then block. Presumably your reply will remain visible on others' timelines.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:35:00 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:29 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty
      • Jer Warren
      • Mike Edey

      @nyquildotorg @mce @funbaker I also, selfishly, want to protect my reputation. When someone goes to one of my posts and sees a racist image in a reply, with no repercussions, they're going to think I'm OK with that. Right now, I have to reply "This is unacceptable" or something similar.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:29 JST permalink
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      Jer Warren (nyquildotorg@fedia.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:32 JST Jer Warren Jer Warren
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      • funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty
      • Mike Edey

      @funbaker @mce @evan what Evan is asking for: Evan as an individual created a post, which some jerkwad later replies with something offensive and off-topic. Evan the individual wants to be able to remove replies to his post to protect the thousands of other individuals whom are now subjected to it because they wanted to see what Evan had to say.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:32 JST permalink
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      funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty (funbaker@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:34 JST funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty funbaker #AssangeIsNotGuilty
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      • Jer Warren
      • Mike Edey

      @mce Where else should it be? Solving this on non-individual layer makes way more problems than it should solve. @nyquildotorg @evan

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:34 JST permalink
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      Mike Edey (mce@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:35 JST Mike Edey Mike Edey
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      • Jer Warren

      @nyquildotorg @evan I remember that. I can’t say I entirely disagree but having thought about it a lot since I believe that I do want an option to “orphan” someone’s comment, reply, mention.

      It shouldn’t be on an individual to engage with a troll and/or bad-actor just to avoid implicitly condoning terrible material tacked onto something else.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:35 JST permalink

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      Jer Warren (nyquildotorg@fedia.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:38 JST Jer Warren Jer Warren
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      @evan when jwz brought this up a few months ago he got inundated with "you're describing a blog" which is frustrating.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:38:38 JST permalink
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      mask-wearing, socially distant entity :verified_paw: (geekgrrl@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:43:09 JST mask-wearing, socially distant entity :verified_paw: mask-wearing, socially distant entity :verified_paw:
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      • Marcus Hutchins :verified:
      • Renaud Chaput

      @evan @malwaretech mentioned this recently & @renchap replied: https://oisaur.com/@renchap/111591172720132753 , below this post is a link to the FEP (which seems important, but I have zero idea what it is 😜)

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:43:09 JST permalink

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        @malwaretech@infosec.exchange because this is hard to do in a federated protocol. Claire started a FEP on this tomic but it went nowhere due to the complexity (and bad decisions in the current implementation). The basic idea is that you ask the OP account for a signed token allowing your reply, which can be checked by all other instances. We want a similar thing for quote posts. Main issue here is lack of resources, as usual 😞 but on my roadmap for 2024
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:49:23 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
      • Brendan Jones
      • Marcus Hutchins :verified:
      • Renaud Chaput
      • mask-wearing, socially distant entity :verified_paw:

      @Brendanjones @geekgrrl @malwaretech @renchap

      No, it's not.

      Every object has a `replies` collection. What we need is:

      1) When showing the replies to an object, use the `replies` collection -- not a search for `inReplyTo` or `ostatus:conversation`, which is what Mastodon does right now.
      2) Let the user add and remove objects from the replies collection.
      3) (Optional) Notify addressees when a new object is added to the `replies` collection (`Approve` or `Add` activity)

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:49:23 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:51:57 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
      • Santis-boo! 🎃

      @santisbon @jwildeboer absolutely! You don't ever have to publish something that someone else posted if you don't want to.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:51:57 JST permalink
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      Santis-boo! 🎃 (santisbon@fedia.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:51:59 JST Santis-boo! 🎃 Santis-boo! 🎃
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      • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

      @evan interesting. So if a server allowed the activity's actor to remove items from the replies collection that would be considered appropriate in terms of compliance with ActivityPub?
      @jwildeboer

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 07:51:59 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:20:22 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • yianiris

      @yianiris I own the page where it's published, and I get to decide what else is published there.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:20:22 JST permalink
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      yianiris (yianiris@libretooth.gr)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:20:23 JST yianiris yianiris
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      Somehow you make it sound like a post you make belongs to you (as in property) and you should be able to control who can respond to it.

      Let's act as adults and realize that once you make a public statement you no longer "own" this statement, it is there in public domain, people can agree/disagree, adopt, or reject it, or even modify it and restate the original. It is what we want, isn't it?

      @evan

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:20:23 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:23:34 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • BlueDot🇺🇦

      @BlueDot yes, this is what I do now.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:23:34 JST permalink
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      BlueDot🇺🇦 (bluedot@left-tusk.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:23:36 JST BlueDot🇺🇦 BlueDot🇺🇦
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      @evan

      It wouldn't have occurred to me to blame you for someone else's behavior. But if you really want to make it clear that homophobic reply guy doesn't speak for you, you could reply back. You could mention that you're both reporting the reply to the moderators, and blocking the person.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:23:36 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:24:40 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Gabriel Pettier

      @tshirtman why? I can do that on blog comments. It wouldn't delete it from the replier's server or anywhere else; just from the page that shows my original post.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:24:40 JST permalink
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      Gabriel Pettier (tshirtman@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:24:41 JST Gabriel Pettier Gabriel Pettier
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      @evan i think the normal response would be to report it, and the server it originates from should ban them, and if they don't, this server should get limited federation, for being badly moderated, but yeah, it's not an immediate response, and it'll certainly frequently fail.

      But on the other hand, the ability to delete any response you don't like might be a bit much.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:24:41 JST permalink
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      66gardeners (66gardeners@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:41:33 JST 66gardeners 66gardeners
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      @evan
      On the bird site I frequently would reply to any bigot
      #IBlockAssholes, etc, to warn others before i would block them.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:41:33 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:41:33 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • 66gardeners

      @66gardeners this is a good idea. #blocked would probably work too.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:41:33 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:43:14 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Jenniferplusplus

      @jenniferplusplus I disagree. Here's the easier way to do it:

      https://cosocial.ca/@evan/111598196371373005

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:43:14 JST permalink
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      Jenniferplusplus (jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:43:15 JST Jenniferplusplus Jenniferplusplus
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      @evan Yeah, that's been a consistent ask for a very long time, as I understand it. I think fep-7888 (and fep-5624, revised to apply to the context field as described in 7888) gives the most robust and reliable mechanism to federate that kind of reply moderation.

      https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-7888-demystifying-the-context-property/3021/2

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 08:43:15 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 09:20:41 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Kat Kimbriel

      @KatKimbriel I think that's it. Another option is reporting the account and hoping it gets deleted. Lastly, you can reply to the post saying they're blocked or whatever, and then block them. It at least lets people know you're trying.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 09:20:41 JST permalink
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      Kat Kimbriel (katkimbriel@raggedfeathers.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 09:20:43 JST Kat Kimbriel Kat Kimbriel
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      @evan

      So, our only recourse at this point is to block the person, delete our post, and then repost with a warning (not a link) about the person we blocked's prior behavior?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 09:20:43 JST permalink
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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 09:49:04 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @evan We should steal that feature exactly. It seems to work great.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 09:49:04 JST permalink
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      Kevin Teljeur ❄️ (kevinteljeur@mastodon.online)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:38:36 JST Kevin Teljeur ❄️ Kevin Teljeur ❄️
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      @evan You’re probably already aware of the weaponisation of replies that are only visible to the recipient, the sender, and the sender’s network, as an abuse vector. It sounds to me like related issues, the delinking getting propagated through the network.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:38:36 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:38:36 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Kevin Teljeur ❄️

      @kevinteljeur can you be clearer? Someone does a private reply to a post?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:38:36 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:42:42 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @fraying The protocol-as-implemented is different, sometimes a lot, from protocol-as-designed. I depend a lot of people telling me how things really work.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:42:42 JST permalink
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      Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:42:44 JST Derek Powazek 🐐 Derek Powazek 🐐
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      @evan update: I’ve gleaned the basics from your replies to others - thanks. Also boy do a lot of people want to explain AP to you. How do you stay so calm?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:42:44 JST permalink
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      Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:42:45 JST Derek Powazek 🐐 Derek Powazek 🐐
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      @evan could you say more about that? My only point of reference is what’s implemented in masto. What’s in the protocol that could be implemented differently?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 10:42:45 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:01:31 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @fraying correct

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:01:31 JST permalink
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      Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:01:32 JST Derek Powazek 🐐 Derek Powazek 🐐
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      @evan so the part about post owners editing the list of replies is in the protocol as designed but not the protocol as implemented?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:01:32 JST permalink
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      Marco L. Gato (marcolgato@kolektiva.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:27:51 JST Marco L. Gato Marco L. Gato
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      @evan

      I wouldn't worry about it. Highly doubt anyone thinks people have any control over replies.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:27:51 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:27:51 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Marco L. Gato

      @marcolgato thanks, but it's one of my roles to worry about things like this.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:27:51 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:35:48 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @fraying well, actually, not entirely. We have a part that says that there's a collection of replies, and we have a part that says you can edit any collection that belongs to you. It doesn't say explicitly that you can edit that particular collection.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 11:35:48 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:16:28 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Jer Warren

      @nyquildotorg In general, I think @jwz was right.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:16:28 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:21:27 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      I should also say, as always, I really respect the work that the Mastodon team has put into this platform. Mastodon breathed life into the ActivityPub spec, and made a working social web with a lot of loosely-defined wording. We would not be where we are today with the fediverse without the Mastodon team bridging that gap.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:21:27 JST permalink
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      Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:39:26 JST Tim Chambers Tim Chambers
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      @evan Indeed 👍

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:39:26 JST permalink
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      DavidB (davidbhimself@firefish.city)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:52:21 JST DavidB DavidB
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      @evan@cosocial.ca Isn't it the same with every other social media?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:52:21 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:52:21 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • DavidB

      @DavidBHimself no. You can delete comments on Facebook, for example.

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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 12:54:35 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • DavidB

      @DavidBHimself here's one from Instagram

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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 13:33:47 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Robey ☠️

      @robey https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-replies

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 13:33:47 JST permalink

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      Robey ☠️ (robey@messydesk.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 13:33:50 JST Robey ☠️ Robey ☠️
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      @evan yeah, imho jwz had the right idea: replies to a post should be a timeline/collection, curated by the author, hosted with the the post...

      "inReplyTo" already allows thread-chaining for clients that want to assemble a thread view, AP already has excellent timeline/collection support, all it needs is a field on the post (like "replyCollection"?) to indicate the id of this collection.

      this could be a short FEP. i'd just want to try implementing it in my server first to make sure it'd work.

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      Gaëtan Perrault (gatesvp@mstdn.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 13:53:32 JST Gaëtan Perrault Gaëtan Perrault
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      @evan The challenge with this is that it can also be used by bad actors. Let us assume that we roll out the feature you have requested.

      I am a bad actor spreading disinformation. You reply with a link to the corrected information. I delete your reply therefore ensuring that nobody who follows me can have their bubble pierced.

      Better yet, I can reply to you and then Block some relevant replies. Leaving only enough to make you look like a bad actor.

      And there's not a good audit trail for this.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 13:53:32 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 13:53:32 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Gaëtan Perrault

      @gatesvp they can do that already, if they use a server that allows deleting replies.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 13:53:32 JST permalink
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      Brendan Jones (brendanjones@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:01:45 JST Brendan Jones Brendan Jones
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      • Renaud Chaput
      • mask-wearing, socially distant entity :verified_paw:

      @evan @geekgrrl @malwaretech @renchap Ah, I think I got this confused with another issue. Going to delete my reply so it doesn’t mislead anyone.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 17:01:45 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:26:27 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • carrotcypher
      • DavidB

      @carrotcypher @DavidBHimself no, it's answering the direct question I was asked.

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      carrotcypher (carrotcypher@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:26:28 JST carrotcypher carrotcypher
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      • DavidB

      @evan @DavidBHimself Isn't this just explaining why Facebook is an echo chamber of disinformation though?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:26:28 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:27:17 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Gerego

      @Gerego my web site still would have racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic content on it. Not acceptable.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:27:17 JST permalink
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      Gerego (gerego@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:27:18 JST Gerego Gerego
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      @evan you can post a public reply to such comment, state that you completely despise the contents of it and that you’ll block and report the person.
      This way anyone reading through your page will see that you don’t condone that behavior.

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:27:18 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:28:00 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @fraying yes

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:28:00 JST permalink
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      Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:28:03 JST Derek Powazek 🐐 Derek Powazek 🐐
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      @evan are there other implementations that do right now?

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 21:28:03 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 23:59:51 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • dynamic
      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @dynamic @fraying read around in this conversation. I think at least Friendica. Good luck on your research!

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 23:59:51 JST permalink
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      dynamic (dynamic@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 18-Dec-2023 23:59:52 JST dynamic dynamic
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      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @evan @fraying

      Which specific implementations?

      (trying to explore better ActivityPub alternatives to Mastodon)

      In conversation Monday, 18-Dec-2023 23:59:52 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:06:22 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • Artemis

      @moonspider exactly

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      Artemis (moonspider@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:06:23 JST Artemis Artemis
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      @evan it’s the fundamental problem with the idea that a reply to your post is *not* a reply on your post, it is literally someone else’s post that is linked to yours. Which causes so many problems.
      I guess unlinking them should be made possible in some capacity—you can’t delete someone else’s post, but you can make it not-findable under yours.

      In conversation Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:06:23 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:15:31 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • dynamic
      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @dynamic @fraying

      https://www.google.com/search?q=friendica

      In conversation Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:15:31 JST permalink

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      dynamic (dynamic@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:15:32 JST dynamic dynamic
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      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @evan @fraying

      I don't know if this is just Mastodon's bizarre way of organizing comment threads, or what, but I'm really not seeing anything about better ActivityPub implementations in this thread, and keyword search for "Friendica" isn't turning anything up.

      I saw some stuff about Cohost and Post, but I don't know if those are AP?

      Any chance you could link to the relevant portions of the thread?

      In conversation Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:15:32 JST permalink
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      Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:23:58 JST Evan Prodromou Evan Prodromou
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      • dynamic
      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @dynamic @fraying

      https://fediversity.site/item/b8368169-ebe8-4e51-801f-062a7ff991d4

      This is the last time-wasting request I'm going to reply to. Good luck in your research.

      In conversation Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:23:58 JST permalink

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      dynamic (dynamic@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:23:59 JST dynamic dynamic
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      • Derek Powazek 🐐

      @evan @fraying

      Sorry for being unclear. I meant that doing ctrl-F on your thread wasn't turning up anything about Friendica. Was wondering if you could provide links to any toots about AP implementations with better author control over replies.

      In conversation Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 01:23:59 JST permalink
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      Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 04:31:43 JST Aral Balkan Aral Balkan
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      • small circle 🕊 in calmness

      @onepict @smallcircles @evan I call it bucking – like a horse (“get off my back”) :)

      In conversation Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 04:31:43 JST permalink
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      Esther Payne :bisexual_flag: (onepict@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 04:31:45 JST Esther Payne :bisexual_flag: Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:
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      • Aral Balkan
      • small circle 🕊 in calmness

      @smallcircles @evan I can see that being a flashpoint for harassment, so making those public would definitely need to be an optional feature.

      @aral what was you called it when you block and then unblock was it bumping?

      In conversation Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 04:31:45 JST permalink
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      small circle 🕊 in calmness (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 04:31:50 JST small circle 🕊 in calmness small circle 🕊 in calmness
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      @evan

      Something like opting for a Public Block that becomes an entry in the timeline might do the trick..

      > ⛔ Evan Prodromou blocked PersonXYZ for [reason]

      In conversation Tuesday, 19-Dec-2023 04:31:50 JST permalink

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