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   casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 22:26:55 JST casey is remote

   This is a massive problem, and the main reason I haven't tried to self host a #Fediverse instance on my own again.

   The first question I ask is "how do I keep #CSAM off the instance" and nobody can answer that question.

   https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-study-decentralized-network

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 22:57:02 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins This is entirely the fault of the IWF and Microsoft, who create "exclusive" proprietary CSAM prevention software and then only license big tech companies to use it.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 22:58:50 JST Sexy Moon

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins someone told me that they gave access to pixelfed lol
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:00:12 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins I'm sending a follow up email:
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     victor (victor@crucible.world)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:03:59 JST victor

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins
     
     > free public access is not a responsible option
     
     the gigantic corp with infinite money prioritizes having more money over making available a tool that might actually help the world be better, cool
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     Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:04:36 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️

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     • Alex Gleason
     @alex @realcaseyrollins This is by design. If you're not in their special club, they can shut you down at a moment's notice by uploading CP to your server and claiming that you are "hosting" it. Even if your moderators delete it in a minute, that's still enough for an article in Vice (ironic name) or Huffpo about how your service is a "haven for CSAM".
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     coldacid on 🔥 (coldacid@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:06:38 JST coldacid on 🔥

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     • Caek Islove ? ❤️
     @caekislove @alex @realcaseyrollins this. It's not about protecting kids, it's about controlling the rest of us.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:06:39 JST feld

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     pretty suspicious how they're so good at finding child porn :thinkface:
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:07:16 JST 7666

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins yooo i had the same problem with the IWF!!! my final conclusion came to this:
     
     "The IWF takes a holier-than-thou stance when it comes to assisting smaller website operators in the universal mission to prevent the spread of child abuse material, possibly so they can operate an extortion racket or waste UK public funds."
     
     https://infrablog.lain.la/iwf-nogo
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:07:32 JST Alex Gleason

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     • 7666
     @7666 @realcaseyrollins This should be a bigger scandal.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:09:53 JST Sexy Moon

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     • 7666
     @alex @7666 @realcaseyrollins
     
     * start an organization to fight child abuse media
     * organization gets big/influential
     * organization is now a jobs program/institution
     * organization needs child abuse to stay alive
     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: and victor like this.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:15:40 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Relected
     @7666 @Relected @realcaseyrollins I did my little bit of activism for today.
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:15:41 JST 7666

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     • Relected
     @Relected @alex @realcaseyrollins there's nothing to enable it's entirely closed source behind a very large closed door (microsoft)
     
     reversing it is possible (i have the DLL in question somewhere) but nobody's done it yet probably because you'd get raided to shit once they found out - and you may be undermining its effectiveness by doing so (although security by obscurity does nothing imo so this point is questionable at best)
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     Relected (relected@dusk.encipher.in)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:15:48 JST Relected

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     • 7666
     • Relected

     im talking about PhotoDNA ofc

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     Relected (relected@dusk.encipher.in)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:15:50 JST Relected

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     • 7666

     i wonder how this will work on mastodon, considering that most people would probably shut this thing down o 90% of the instances if this ever gets implemented somehow

     probably only instance admins with 5k+ users will get peer-pressured into enabling it by default

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:16:55 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Relected
     @7666 @Relected @realcaseyrollins By the way, assuming there's no policy change for the IWF and co, the technical solution to this problem is probably AI.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:19:02 JST Sexy Moon

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     @alex @7666 @Relected @realcaseyrollins washington post did an article about this too btw
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:20:10 JST Sexy Moon

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     @mrsaturday @alex @7666 @Relected @realcaseyrollins it's worth collecting the receipts that none of these people actually give a shit about child exploitation.
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     ☻ (mrsaturday@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:20:11 JST ☻

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     @alex @7666 @Relected @realcaseyrollins The only result of this is she'll spend the rest of the day crying in the corner that a TERF showed up in her inbox
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     kroner (kroner@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:25:42 JST kroner

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     Man I sure wish there was better non-proprietary CSAM prevention software...
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:25:42 JST Alex Gleason

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     @kroner @realcaseyrollins It would have to be AI.
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     teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:26:25 JST teknomunk

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     • 7666
     @Moon @7666@comp.lain.la @alex @realcaseyrollins
     
     So, the iron law of bureaucracy strikes again.
     
     :akko_tired:
     
     https://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html
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     kroner (kroner@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:27:21 JST kroner

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     • Caek Islove ? ❤️
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     This infuriates me to no end, everyone should be able to integrate CSAM prevention tech into their website if they want to but like you said, it's not about protecting the kids it is about having a method to shut you down and silence you if you aren't in the club
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:28:28 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Caek Islove ? ❤️
     @caekislove @kroner @realcaseyrollins 1. Train it on nudity
     2. Train it on children
     
     Perform each training separately from the other. If the image scores high in both, flag it.
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     Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:28:29 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️

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     • kroner
     @alex @kroner @realcaseyrollins How could you train such an AI without violating 2637864093 laws?
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     Snugglefist (snugglefist@freezepeach.online)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:43:22 JST Snugglefist

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     I'm not saying this is necessarily *the* solution, but AWS has a service that does this and is generally available:
     
     https://docs.aws.amazon.com/rekognition/latest/dg/moderation.html
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:45:25 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins To answer the question of "why not just become an IWF member?"
     
     https://www.iwf.org.uk/membership/fees/
     
     This does not scale to the whole Fediverse. Or barely even to a single node.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:47:19 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins How to start your own Fediverse server 101!
     
     1. Get a VPS at a hosting provider like DigitalOcean. It will only cost you about $10 per month!
     
     2. Pay £1,000+ to the IWF
     
     3. ???
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:48:15 JST feld

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     the fediverse could crowdfund access to the database and then I guess provide public access via proxy I guess??????
     
     still pretty insane
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:49:05 JST Alex Gleason

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     @feld @realcaseyrollins That would surely violate some TOS
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:51:01 JST feld

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     • feld
     also it's just strange to me that there's so much emphasis on this for ActivityPub / Fediverse but not email.
     
     How many email providers are doing CSAM?
     
     Apple, Google, and Microsoft?
     
     Does Fastmail do it? Protonmail? I suspect not.
     
     What's to prevent a spammer from sending child porn to everyone who isn't on these services?
     
     And how about mailing lists? How many of those are scanned with for CSAM content?
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     InceptionState (inceptionstate@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:51:01 JST InceptionState

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins > In the case of the hash list, while it is not possible to reverse engineer a hash, it is possible for bad actors to develop a crawler or other products that could use the hash set to find criminal images which they would otherwise not have knowledge or sight of.
     
     Are they retarded? Hashing the data requires downloading the data, so they would have already obtained a copy of the CSAM. The only "utility" would be locating the CSAM in the data that they have previously scraped. And at that point they already have it...
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:52:25 JST feld

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     I can't even imagine what the problem is here. The CSAM database is just hashes. Even if someone haxxed them and stole a copy of the entire database *right now* who is being harmed? It's weird to think that this is somehow intellectual property
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:52:41 JST Alex Gleason

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     @InceptionState @realcaseyrollins 💯
     
     If it exposed all the CSAM on the internet, somebody would do something about it, and that's actually a bigger threat to them than CSAM itself.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:55:28 JST Sexy Moon

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     • feld
     @feld @alex @realcaseyrollins lot more visible
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:56:42 JST 7666

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     @realcaseyrollins @snugglefist @alex @Relected "Additionally, the image and video moderation APIs don't detect whether an image includes illegal content, such as CSAM."
     
     it's a filter for explicit or hate material, not specifically CSAM, you'll get a TON of false positives if your goal is CSAM prevention
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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:56:43 JST casey is remote

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     @snugglefist @alex @7666 @Relected ooh! Is that open to everybody?

     I'd hate to use #AWS for hosting though...

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:57:17 JST feld

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     • pwm
     I only jack off to CSAM Verified Child Porn™️ :jackbud: :kiddo:
     
     Get your AI generated loli shit out of here son. There's no substitute for the real thing. :hmmyes:
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     pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:57:19 JST pwm

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     • feld
     @feld @alex @realcaseyrollins that's OUR child porn (hashes) and YOU can't have any
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:57:21 JST Alex Gleason

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     @feld @realcaseyrollins They think you're going to go around the entire internet computing hashes of every image in existence until you find matches. They're basically acknowledging that the CSAM exists online, and trying to cover it up.
     
     But why does it exist? Is their organization inefficient at removing it?
     
     Because if it were to be exposed in the very way they fear, someone would clean that shit up almost immediately. What they fear is someone having to do something to clean up child porn.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:59:53 JST Alex Gleason

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     @feld @realcaseyrollins On the contrary, imagine they open source the hash database. Every website in the world, for free, can prevent CSAM by adding a simple library to their upload form. Then CSAM essentially ceases to exist, because no website operator wants that liability, and no user can upload it!
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     kroner (kroner@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:00:54 JST kroner

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     Yeah I think AI detection is the best solution, that way you don't have to subject humans to the soul crushing task of verifying that CSAM is in fact CSAM
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     Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:01:12 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     • Caek Islove ? ❤️
     Is it bad I want this to happen just so that A.I. declares, both objectively and logically, that lolicons are pedophiles?
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     teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:04:27 JST teknomunk

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     • Caek Islove ? ❤️
     @alex @caekislove @kroner @realcaseyrollins
     
     Really need to make sure the training set can be public and anyone is able to train their own neural network classifier. Otherwise this can be turned into a vector for censoring infographics and memes that are inconvenient to the rulers that are in no way related to CSAM.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:10:40 JST Sexy Moon

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     • teknomunk
     @teknomunk @alex @caekislove @kroner the training set would be raw csam, you could not generate a new classifier or hashing system without the actual pictures. these orgs have privileged relationship with governments so they can do this, probably no way around it.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:11:07 JST feld

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     yeah I'm not going to search for real child porn just so I can hash it
     
     hard pass buddy :nono:
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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:11:09 JST casey is remote

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     • feld

     @alex @feld I actually kinda wonder why nobody has made a #FOSS alternative. I mean, anybody can make a hash...

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:12:31 JST Sexy Moon

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     • feld
     @feld @alex @realcaseyrollins if you are not in a privileged position with the government and you start producing new csam hashes, you are just incriminating yourself.
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     condret :verified: :ancom: (condret@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:32:08 JST condret :verified: :ancom:

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     • feld
     @realcaseyrollins @feld @alex i can deal with that, once i'm in the productivity zone
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     InceptionState (inceptionstate@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:32:08 JST InceptionState

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     • feld
     @condret @realcaseyrollins @feld @alex It's one area where the government is actually in a position to be uniquely useful. They can deal with validating and publishing the hash list due to the legal concerns, all everyone else has to do is just check against it.
     
     Unfortunately it looks like a case of misaligned incentives though. The FBI runs an effective system for preventing CSAM and avoid 100,000 incidents? Their budget gets slashed because CSAM has become less of a problem. Arrest 100 people for downloading CSAM because it got uploaded to various sites? Promotions and awards all around.
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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:32:09 JST casey is remote

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     • feld

     @condret @feld @alex I wouldn't, that'd have to be some heinous stuff

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     condret :verified: :ancom: (condret@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:32:10 JST condret :verified: :ancom:

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     • feld
     @feld @alex @realcaseyrollins if it was just for that purpose, i'd do it, if i can ensure i don't get in legal trouble for it
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     Zettour (zettour@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:36:52 JST Zettour

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     • feld
     @feld @alex @realcaseyrollins I think the concern here is that someone will set up a web crawler to pull every image on the internet and then use the hashes to weed that down to the illegal content specifically for redistribution/use. Security by obscurity in a way.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:38:18 JST feld

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     • condret :verified: :ancom:
     > if i can ensure i don't get in legal trouble for it
     
     simple possession is enough to fuck you over for the rest of your life
     
     After the first time I ran into child porn on the internet (surprise: it was on 4chan in like 2009) I enabled full disk encryption on all my computers. Not going to go to prison because I got swatted and they took my drives and started looking for deleted files that matches CSAM hashes.
     
     It's a terrifying concept. It would be so easy to frame someone, and there's almost zero recourse.
     
     
     I know of one guy who ran a fediverse server and shut it down because it was spammed with child porn one night so he had to shut down the physical server and hand it over to the FBI
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:42:39 JST feld

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     • condret :verified: :ancom:
     FreeBSD: GELI 256bit AES-XTS
     
     MacOS: FileVault *without* sharing a recovery key with Apple
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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:42:40 JST casey is remote

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     • feld

     @feld @condret @alex What did you use to encrypt your drives?

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:44:14 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins Update: he replied to me.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:46:57 JST feld

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     how the fuck are their hashes "pseudonymised identifiers"?
     
     This is insane
     
     Now I want to fund a hacking team to go steal this goddamn database
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:49:07 JST feld

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     • condret :verified: :ancom:
     It's worth it, especially as it makes any type of wipe/reinstall super easy and guaranteed to never have problems with running into old filesystems/partitions if you're doing funky things with your disk layouts
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     • feld

     @feld @alex @condret Nice. I should probably encrypt all my drives tbh, I have a #Windows10 desktop and a #Linux laptop

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:49:56 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins Here's my reply back:
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:50:00 JST feld

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     • feld
     Don't forget on Linux/BSD to encrypt your swap too
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:51:05 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins bureaucratic red tape bullshit just like they pulled with us "poast is registered in Canada" "yeah but none of our hardware is. it's in the US" "sorry you're in Canada"
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     victor (victor@crucible.world)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:51:42 JST victor

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins Poor Chris is about to have to consult some corporate lawyer to make sure he says the "right" thing.
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     thegreatape (thegreatape@thechimp.zone)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:51:59 JST thegreatape

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     The data protection rights of file hashes of child porn must be respected ~ IWF
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     mittimithai (mittimithai@neenster.org)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:52:32 JST mittimithai

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     So many acronyms. Why do people write like robots whose job is to stop the possibility of any work happening for the people that they work for?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:52:39 JST Sexy Moon

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins what are the odds they lobbied for the rules about hash sharing that they griveously have to follow
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     condret :verified: :ancom: (condret@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:53:00 JST condret :verified: :ancom:

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     @feld @alex @realcaseyrollins better use a swap file instead of a swap partition. it's easier to resize if you later decide to upgrade your ram or something
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     • condret :verified: :ancom:
     keep your swap partition as the last one on the disk so you can delete, resize main partition, then add swap back at the end
     
     plus you don't suffer the penalty of having your swap writes have to go through that filesystem layer
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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:01:01 JST casey is remote

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     @alex Yikes

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:04:00 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • thegreatape
     I wonder how that could possibly violate GDPR?
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     kijo 鬼女 (kj00@spinster.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:04:05 JST kijo 鬼女

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins Please 🥺🥺🥺 we will literally starve if you don't pay us thousands 🥺🥺🥺🥺 you wouldn't expect us to eradicate child porn if it won't buy us yachts would you 🥺🥺🥺
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:16:22 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins I forwarded this email chain to Gargron.
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     @alex @realcaseyrollins Just forward the response to the verge so they can follow up on their article with how NCMEC and friends are actively impeding fixing the issue.
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     @idiot @realcaseyrollins I sent The Verge 2 emails already, including this entire chain, yes.
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     @alex Right on! Hope this goes well

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:21:29 JST feld

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     I have contact with a tech writer at CNBC too, will forward it
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:21:33 JST Alex Gleason

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     @Moon @realcaseyrollins Where is the New York Times article you mentioned? I can't follow this thread anymore.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:22:39 JST Sexy Moon

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins https://archive.is/BEdp5 washington post
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:22:58 JST Alex Gleason

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     @feld @idiot @realcaseyrollins Here's the full correspondence so far as a PDF.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:26:54 JST Alex Gleason

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     @Moon @realcaseyrollins "Fwd: Fwd: Fwd:"... sent.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:28:39 JST Alex Gleason

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     @Moon @realcaseyrollins All of the emails I've sent so far today.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:30:39 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Do you think media pressure will work given that they’re using some legal justification for why they can’t cooperate?
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:33:10 JST feld

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     • Snugglefist
     • 7666
     • Relected
     This service seems to be just an AI image classification service and can't detect *child porn*, only a few broad classifications of adult content
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:33:12 JST Alex Gleason

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     @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins They work directly with law enforcement.
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     Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:33:13 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins question: where did they get the source images to make the hashes, or the hashes themselves?

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     Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:33:59 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins so... there's public money and time in this project...

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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:55:25 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     • Alex Gleason
     @alex @Moon @realcaseyrollins if they want more fuel they can reach out to me at graf@poast.org and ill tell them all about NCMEC
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:56:26 JST Alex Gleason

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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @graf @Moon @realcaseyrollins Wait I forgot what happened with NCMEC? I thought they were one of the good ones. But they don't have a prevention mechanism, just a CyberTip API for after-the-fact.
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     Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:02:26 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️

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     • coldacid on 🔥
     @kroner @coldacid @alex @realcaseyrollins The only possible reason for them to keep the hashlists private is 1. they're an extortion/shakedown racket or 2. they're a scam and the hashlist is full of benign image hashes. My guess, it's a little of both. There's probably tons of Trump and COVID memes in the hashlist. Never let a crisis go to waste, as Rahm Emmanuel always said.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:11:52 JST Alex Gleason

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     • mia
     @mia @7666 @realcaseyrollins Stay losing.
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     mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:11:53 JST mia

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     • 7666
     @alex @7666 @realcaseyrollins
     
     Remember when you said that everyone that uses Pleroma was benefiting from human trafficking, and you said that about Lain specifically as well? Do you own a mirror retard?
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:13:33 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Jezza™@threads.com (Official)
     @jeremiah @tomey @realcaseyrollins This IWF guy is saying that the hashes themselves are illegal to posses. If true that would be very stupid and should be challenged in court, but would be an obvious problem to open sourcing the dataset (or any other entity open sourcing a dataset, for that matter).
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     Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:13:34 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

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     • ™️¥

     @tomey @alex @realcaseyrollins could also work like a distributed query system where you could get feedback from different hash tables hosted by different people (eg, no "single central authority", and the ability add objectionable materials (and tag the objection).)

     There's no reason not to have several proposals...

     ... but paying sources (LE records/assembly time) seems reasonable: but fuck giving billware money for a necessary public service built on publicly funded data.

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     ™️¥ (tomey@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:13:35 JST ™️¥

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     • Jezza™@threads.com (Official)
     @jeremiah @alex @realcaseyrollins I was thinking something along these lines as well. A consortium of fedi administrators will pay the license, go through the painful regulatory shit, and then build an AP compatible tool that instances can use to cross-check their media upload hashes.
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     Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:13:36 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins ok... picture this:

     The OpenCSAM Consortium.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:16:13 JST feld

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     • ™️¥
     • Jezza™@threads.com (Official)
     What is the specific hash algorithm?
     
     Let's make a rainbow table of them to prove that it's not illegal to "own the hashes" 🤣
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     Pyrrho (pyrrho@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:17:56 JST Pyrrho

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     • Jezza™@threads.com (Official)
     @jeremiah @alex @realcaseyrollins
     So a global, idk, tor network of sorts, where the fact China/Russia has to sign off on it as well would stop the FBI/CIA from misusing it for tracking purposes?
     
     This idea crossed my galaxy brain once, but I realized all world governments would probably come together just for this one thing; tracking their own people
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     @jeremiah @tomey @realcaseyrollins He is saying a hash is considered "Pseudonymised data": https://tietosuoja.fi/en/pseudonymised-and-anonymised-data#:~:text=Pseudonymised%20personal%20data,the%20use%20of%20additional%20information
     
     It is apparently considered even MORE identifying than fully "anonymous data".
     
     I think that is very wrong. Unless their database is not a hash database at all, but a facial recognition database (maybe it is), the hash itself is a "digital fingerprint" of _that specific image_, and not of the person involved.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:21:50 JST feld

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     • Jezza™@threads.com (Official)
     I don't think it's facial recognition because to my knowledge it cannot identify any image that isn't already in the database
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:24:32 JST feld

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     • feld
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     • Jezza™@threads.com (Official)
     I bet the main reason that they don't want the hashes public is because you *can* craft collisions which would cause a massive burden on law enforcement.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:48:25 JST Alex Gleason

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     @feld @jeremiah @tomey @realcaseyrollins If you can craft collisions, that's even more proof the information is not identifiable.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:49:09 JST feld

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     precisely my line of thinking...
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:52:31 JST Sexy Moon

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     @alex @feld @jeremiah @tomey @realcaseyrollins you don't go directly to jail if there's a match, it goes through multiple checks by a human. Your service account probably gets shut down immediately with a legal hold though
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:03:41 JST Sexy Moon

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     • coldacid on 🔥
     @coldacid @alex @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins @tomey stop using magi it's out of date. unless there's a reason you're usign magi I don't know about.
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     coldacid on 🔥 (coldacid@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:03:42 JST coldacid on 🔥

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     • Jezza™@threads.com (Official)
     @jeremiah @alex @tomey @realcaseyrollins no this is someone who I knew years ago when I went to Toronto 2600 meetings and who from what I gather was arrested and went to jail for posession
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     coldacid on 🔥 (coldacid@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:03:42 JST coldacid on 🔥

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     • coldacid on 🔥
     @jeremiah @alex @realcaseyrollins @tomey related: https://magi.shitposter.club/notice/AY3lcGUUxGbewbjwzg
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     @alex @jeremiah @tomey @realcaseyrollins I learned from someone who used to work on such things that yeah, the only hashes are for files that match positively identified files, to avoid having to go through the full matching process that works on image content (processed to work around any minor editing attempts)

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     Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:03:43 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

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     • coldacid on 🔥

     @coldacid @alex @tomey @realcaseyrollins is that someone who used to do such things on fedi and amenable to throwing in on this thread?

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:16:22 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • feld
     Do you want me to write him and pretend to be a reporter investigating whether they are supporting the proliferation of child porn by refusing to provide a free license tier for smaller websites?
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     yes
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     SKracket (skracket@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:26:09 JST SKracket

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     • feld
     yes, and then show us the answers plz. and use your legal skills to make him sweat if you can
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     I'm wondering how they got ahold of the images from which the hashes were generated. I assume actual images were required, unless there's something I'm missing. I wonder if there's an legal angle to exploit there, e.g. the hash list can't be copyrighted.
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     chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:30:02 JST chud

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     I assume (hope) it's from the government
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:32:56 JST Sexy Moon

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     • 7666
     @7666 @alex @graf @realcaseyrollins whats the hash algorithm
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:32:57 JST 7666

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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     • Alex Gleason
     @alex @graf @Moon @realcaseyrollins i do consider NCMEC one of the good ones, except their influence on US policy around privacy is extremely questionable and that disappoints me
     
     their cybertip API is one thing, but they also maintain giant hash databases for website owners to integrate. I have a copy of all of them and use them actively in a separate service and find it to be quite valuable
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     chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:33:25 JST chud

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     I hope so, but it seems unlikely. The public only believes what headlines tell them and journalists would much rather write "the dark web forum Mastodon facilitates CP" than try to explain any of this, and they would have to handle arguments from big tech stakeholders that these tools could somehow be abused by entrusting them to random fedi hosts.
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     • feld
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     • chud
     Is there anything unique about producing a hash from an image or is hashing tech effectively open source now? I assume the latter.
     
     Is there any way to get ahold of their list so it can be duplicated?
     
     I'm not buying that the mere generation of a hash from an image creates a copyright or anything else proprietary re the hash, unless there's something really unique about how the hashes are being generated, i.e. the result for each "work" would have to uniquely transform into a new and unique work, and not merely a derivative work.
     
     This copyright angle is only one possible attack, and only works assuming the list can be acquired and duplicated without "permission."
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     It would be difficult to move the issue through the judicial system since they implicitly own the system.

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     • Quentel
     That's what publicity is for. "Big Corp fights for copyright to make money off of child porn."
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     THE pleroma-tan enjoyer (kirby@waifuism.life)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:39:05 JST THE pleroma-tan enjoyer

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     @realcaseyrollins DONT USE THE MEDIA PROXY.

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     mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:39:05 JST mia

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     @kirby @realcaseyrollins
     
     It has whitelist mode.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:39:32 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • THE pleroma-tan enjoyer
     Feds could post cp and then have the ip of all of your users?
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     Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:39:33 JST Hoss Delgado

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     I see no reason to ever turn that shit on unless your instance is massive.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:43:05 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     I don’t understand what these hashes are or how their system works so it’s hard to say if they have some legitimate concern.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:45:55 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Alex Gleason
     • feld
     • SKracket
     • chud
     Pro Tip: Some times in life, you do whatever the fuck you want and say "sue me."
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:46:11 JST Sexy Moon

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     • chud
     @bot @alex @chud @realcaseyrollins a hash is a unique or semi-unique small fingerprint of a file that you can use to identify if you've seen a file before without keeping the actual file.
     
     so you see a file you don't want to keep because it's evil. you hash it and save the hash. then later without ever looking at a file you can hash it and check if it matches. if the fingerprint matches it's probably the same file. this is done because storing files for comparison takes a ton of space (a hash might just be like 32 letters or so) and files might be bad like csam and you don't want people holding them to identify them.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:52:03 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • THE pleroma-tan enjoyer
     Possibly, yes. They do know about it btw.
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     THE pleroma-tan enjoyer (kirby@waifuism.life)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:52:04 JST THE pleroma-tan enjoyer

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     • Hoss Delgado

     @bot @Hoss @realcaseyrollins because they want to have a case against dozens of random ppl? They don’t know anything about the fedi as far as I can tell. They’re mostly clueless about it. They don’t have a reason to go after us

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 03:53:58 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • chud
     But someone else said that maybe they have biometric data for facial recognition, which is personal information.
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 04:21:16 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @Pyrrho @feld @alex @idiot @realcaseyrollins I wonder if this is what happened Karl on the old gnutan.xyz instance
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     Pyrrho (pyrrho@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 04:21:17 JST Pyrrho

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     @alex @feld @idiot @realcaseyrollins
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     Relected (relected@dusk.encipher.in)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 05:03:13 JST Relected

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     @realcaseyrollins that’s not a mastodon issue

     that’s an internet issue

     every social media site has a CSAM issue lol

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     Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 10:45:06 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️

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     • Alex Gleason
     • Remi
     • 7666
     • ☻
     @mrsaturday @Remi @7666 @alex @Moon @realcaseyrollins That's a key point: the big boys aren't held to these rules they impose on independent websites.
     
     Google is the world's #1 host of CP and copyrighted material. Has the FBI kicked down their door? Of course not.
     
     Amazon is the world's #1 distributor and seller of counterfeit goods. Has US Customs raided their warehouses? Of course not.
     
     Facebook has hosted live streams of mass shootings, viewed by thousands. It hosted groups used to organize the Jan 6th Capitol "insurrection". Have there been any articles in WaPo or NYT calling for them to be kicked from their internet hosting? Of course not.
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     @mrsaturday @7666 @alex @Moon @realcaseyrollins Does Fedi not have CP issues though?
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     @Remi @7666 @alex @Moon @realcaseyrollins Of course it does, but the internet as a whole does. Youtube had videos of topless grade schoolers doing ballet with millions of views and all sorts of woodchipper material commenting on them and they didn't get taken down until there was a public outcry about it. Tumblr had it so bad its payment processors made them remove ALL pornographic material because it was full of teenagers taking "body positive" selfies. Discord has memes about its users for a reason. I think it's unfair to single out the fedi for it, especially when the vast majority of the admins are seemingly constantly having conversations over how to handle it.
     But we're talking about Stanford here, and they're there to carry water for the powers that be. During Gamergate, it was found they were knee deep in the "games as social conditioning" push to the point that they had a small department dedicated to studying that. Recently it was found that they were in cahoots with the CDC, putting in reports on social media content that disagreed with the mainstream narrative on behalf of the government since it would be illegal for the CDC itself to do so. They're just as bad as Google, Microsoft, etc. when it comes to wanting to turn the internet into a neutered, centralized mess where you buy and sell Amazon and check your Gmail and post on Facebook and let Paypal handle all of your payments and any potential alternatives are stuck navigating a byzantine set of rules that the big boys don't have to follow, all while the users are stuck having to post opinions that are strictly within the Overton Window or they get their lives turned upside down with deplatforming. Fuck Stanford. I'm disgusted to see them looking at our slice of the internet, but I guess it was inevitable.
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     @Moon @alex @7666 @realcaseyrollins Funny, when I first started using Fedi I tried to get a friend to join and after telling him how it works he just blankly stated "sounds like an easy way to post cp" and declined.
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     @Remi @7666 @alex @Moon @realcaseyrollins "Ugh dude, a smartphone? You know how easy it is to take creepshots of little kids with that, right?" -Someone sane and trustworthy
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     @augustus @Pyrrho @alex @feld @idiot @realcaseyrollins gnutan was by that guy who turned tranny, karl's the admin of that other instance
     uhhhhh
     
     shit
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     @hakui @feld @Pyrrho @alex @idiot @realcaseyrollins soykaf?
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     Because they're the pedophiles themselves, of course.
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     @caekislove @7666 @alex @Remi @grey @Moon @mrsaturday @realcaseyrollins “Funny how when Obama was microtargeting his political ads using the internet in 2008 it was bold and innovative, but when evil GOPers try doing the same thing, it’s ‘election hacking’.”

     The GOP has been a presumptively illegal organization since Watergate. Before and since then all presidential candidates were labeled as Nazis/Hitler, except maybe Supreme Allied Commander Eisenhower since that wouldn’t have flown. FDR even completely inverted reality by claiming in his 1944 State of the Union address that:

     “[…] if history were to repeat itself and we were to return to the so-called “normalcy” of the 1920’s—then it is certain that even though we shall have conquered our enemies on the battlefields abroad, we shall have yielded to the spirit of Fascism here at home.”

     That normalcy stung because it was an abrupt end to Wilson’s WWI frank fascism, which FDR’s New Deal turned up to 11 as soon as he got in the Oval Office.

     Yet another way you can tell the GOPe is not a serious party is that they don’t realize or accept that the Left wants every one of them stone cold dead. They think their enemies make a serious distinction between Trump (who, I grant, they hate even more) and themselves.

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     @grey @7666 @alex @caekislove @Remi @Moon @realcaseyrollins They still gripe about Cambridge Analytica as though they hacked the site and cheated the system rather than used tools available to just about anyone with enough capital. The notion that Facebook's system allows anyone to try to socially engineer its users doesn't seem to ever come up, they just don't want the chuds using it.
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     @mrsaturday @grey @7666 @alex @Remi @Moon @realcaseyrollins Funny how when Obama was microtargeting his political ads using the internet in 2008 it was bold and innovative, but when evil GOPers try doing the same thing, it's "election hacking". 🙄
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     @caekislove @mrsaturday @7666 @alex @Remi @Moon @realcaseyrollins there were calls to action against facebook when the media had decided to blame Trump's 2016 win on them. they absolutely wanted facebook torn up by the roots then.