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Despite being an EV, this Canoo van looks pretty cool.
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@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch this was pronounced among the Manicheans, but not the Mandeans. It appeared later with the Cathars, as well that were very similar structurally and in practice to the Manicheans, with their "elect" being sexless vegans, and their "hearers" living less ascetic lives supporting them.

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch @toiletpaper Martin Luther is regarded as a heretic by the two major branches of the faith.

There's a kind of "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" thing going on there: Rome calves from the church over the issue of papal vs. conciliar authority. Protestants calve from Rome and give rise to literally thousands of One True Ways.

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @ageha there's no doubt. The church teaches that the trinity appears even in Genesis, and Genesis is known to include stories that predate the earliest Hebrew texts, including the flood and the garden. Christ has always been here, and always will be.

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch call totally fair descriptions in both cases.

Mystery Babylon almost certain will/does count as such.

My concern is just being specific in the sense that saying, "Gnostics believed you could get to an enlightened state through depravity and debauchery" was certainly true of at least a few, but is not representative of the whole.

Neoplatonists and Mandeans would have had little in common even if they did recognize that bit in each other. " " " Manicheans.

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch again, at the time, so called "gnostics" would not have called themselves "gnostics."

The term comes from Gnosis, which might be best translated from the Greek as "experiential knowledge" or more generically esoteric knowledge.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/Gnosis

I've never heard it used specifically as a term of abuse anywhere, but would love to see an example.

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch again, I'd recommend Rudolph's book on the topic.

Gnosticism is a class, and never converged on a "gnostic orthodoxy". Of those faiths, the Mandeans still exist. The largest and most impactful were the Manicheans.

Modern gnostic cults include freemasonry. They tend to claim antiquity as an origin, but are only related in their esoteric elitism.

@olmitch @rasterman @djsumdog @Moon gnosticism isn't "a belief system", it's a tendancy towards the idea of personal revelation, secret knowledge, and self-salvation through that knowledge. It moves the locus from God's grace (in the Christian tradition) to the individual.

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch yeah. That's definitely gnostic/freemasonic bullshit. I mean, if you're going to bring it into the conversation, at least give a source.

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch the church doesn't really do the "esoteric wisdom" thing. That's specific to the gnostics -- the idea that their wisdom is only for the elite and cannot be shared with the outsider. This is the same perspective as Kabbalah/Talmud, freemasonry, etc: "It's true, but I can't tell you because it's a secret."

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch well, someone did or there wouldn't be the claim. Can you point me to it?

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch what truths? And how was it absorbed? Like, where?

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog the Ethiopian church has quite a trove; books otherwise lost to history. The story of Robert the Bruce's trip there is exciting and enlightening (that's how we got the book of Enoch back in circulation, though, a Greek palimpsest has been more recently discovered.)

@olmitch @rasterman @djsumdog @Moon it's an interesting collection, and fills in the blanks from "the other side."

Kurt Rudolph's book Gnosis is excellent on the topic:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/789185.Gnosis

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog is that the 6th century Ethiopian text?

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog which book of Adam? Several texts bear that name.

@Moon @rasterman @djsumdog indeed, such as the book of Enoch. That's fair, but it does not legitimize every book that is outside the canon; many non-canonical books are included in the biblical canon of the ancient church, such as the deuterocanonical texts.