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   @olmitch @rasterman @djsumdog @Moon gnosticism isn't "a belief system", it's a tendancy towards the idea of personal revelation, secret knowledge, and self-salvation through that knowledge. It moves the locus from God's grace (in the Christian tradition) to the individual.

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     @jeremiah @olmitch @Rasterman @djsumdog gnosticism was also an epithet that meant "people who believe things I don't like" sort of like nazi now, it originates with a real group of people but not necessarily when invoked. but you had groups like ophites that existed in some form before christianity that unambiguously were
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     @Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch again, at the time, so called "gnostics" would not have called themselves "gnostics."

     The term comes from Gnosis, which might be best translated from the Greek as "experiential knowledge" or more generically esoteric knowledge.

     https://www.etymonline.com/word/Gnosis

     I've never heard it used specifically as a term of abuse anywhere, but would love to see an example.

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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch again I know, we call them that because the early church fathers called them that, there are groups we don't know anything about except they were accused of it.
     
     gnosis is knowing and faith is trusting that is why it is a heresy. preference for luciferian light over church mysteries, exaltation of self and exclusion.
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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch if you don't want me to say gnostic I can just say Mystery Babylon.
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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch "real gnostics" were deathly concerned with avoiding offspring and trapping new souls in meat prisons.
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     @Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch call totally fair descriptions in both cases.

     Mystery Babylon almost certain will/does count as such.

     My concern is just being specific in the sense that saying, "Gnostics believed you could get to an enlightened state through depravity and debauchery" was certainly true of at least a few, but is not representative of the whole.

     Neoplatonists and Mandeans would have had little in common even if they did recognize that bit in each other. " " " Manicheans.

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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch the cathars are very interesting itsd a shame that scholarly works of them have never been translated out of french into english
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     @Moon @rasterman @djsumdog @olmitch this was pronounced among the Manicheans, but not the Mandeans. It appeared later with the Cathars, as well that were very similar structurally and in practice to the Manicheans, with their "elect" being sexless vegans, and their "hearers" living less ascetic lives supporting them.