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   Rasterman (rasterman@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:30:52 JST Rasterman
   Turns out Christianity is redundant as a religion. You don't need Jesus, after all.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 11:30:51 JST Sexy Moon

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     @Rasterman previous dispensation
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     Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:04:51 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

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     @djsumdog @rasterman The early church did not have several variants. There were several variant groups of claiming Christ. The early church, the body of Christ, has always had the same testimony.

     The canon was established around 350 precisely because of variant texts. The ecumenical councils occurred to deal with these same variants.

     The most generous think to be said of the "variants" is that they walked a path that was not subsequently paved and agreed upon to be the way,.

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     @jeremiah @djsumdog @Rasterman no current popular church resembles the church in 200AD
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:04:52 JST djsumdog

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     I know conservative/libertarians who believe in universal salvation.
     
     The trouble with saying "wonders where they got he idea" and "one knows of one's faith" is that the history isn't clear; it's quite bizarre. The modern evangelical Christian in his or her current form is really less than a century old. The early church had several different variants from Gnostic to Pauline Christianity.
     
     You also had the Nazoræans, the Hebrew Gospel and the Book of Adam, none of which resemble the four gospels known today as canonical. On my bookshelf I've also got the Nag Hammadi library with things in it like the Gospel of Thomas (similar to the 4, but written like Proverbs with some significant differences).
     
     Emperor Constantine style Christianity is really what set the tone and baseline morality for what we have today, but it wasn't a straight line to where we are today.
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     Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:04:53 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

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     @rasterman a lot of protestants think this, too, sometimes called "the special judgement" or similar.

     ... one wonders where they got the idea.

     The less one knows of one's faith, the easier it is for others to fill in the gaps with whatever suits them.

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     Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:08:15 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

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     @Moon @rasterman @djsumdog depends on what you mean by "resembles." What do you mean?

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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog early church quoted books considered non doctrinal now, they are necessary for understanding
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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog I consider the book of enoch and the book of adam and eve to be indispensable.
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     @Moon @rasterman @djsumdog indeed, such as the book of Enoch. That's fair, but it does not legitimize every book that is outside the canon; many non-canonical books are included in the biblical canon of the ancient church, such as the deuterocanonical texts.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:12:36 JST Sexy Moon

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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog Real Christianity is very weird.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 12:14:44 JST Sexy Moon

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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog I'll dig it up sometime it's specifically "the book of adam and eve"
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     @Moon @rasterman @djsumdog which book of Adam? Several texts bear that name.

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     @Moon @rasterman @djsumdog is that the 6th century Ethiopian text?

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     @jeremiah @Rasterman @djsumdog yes
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     @Moon @rasterman @djsumdog the Ethiopian church has quite a trove; books otherwise lost to history. The story of Robert the Bruce's trip there is exciting and enlightening (that's how we got the book of Enoch back in circulation, though, a Greek palimpsest has been more recently discovered.)

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