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It's more fundamental. We certainly believe Mary, being specially chosen in a way that differs from the others you mentioned, holds a special place. Moses disobeyed God and was punished, etc. Mary was bestowed with an ongoing grace prior even to Christ's conception, in a way that is unique to her. She held Him within her womb. But that doesn't get to the heart of why this is a futile discussion.
Abandoning the practice because someone thinks they have a better way of thinking about things just isn't how we work. It's the same with the other saints.
We aren't going to stop changing what we've been doing for the entire recorded history of the Church, any more than we are going to add some new books to Scripture, or take some out. Someone can point out that a particular church father or two thought Mary was vain or sinful, just like someone can say that a particular church father denied the canonicity of Revelation. But the overwhelming opinion of the saints, and the councils we rely on, give us no reason to reconsider either position.
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We definitely agree on the last paragraph.
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Right but we were selling replacement parts before that and it always seemed US- initiated. By 1985 Israel was seeing Iran as a proxy to fight Iraq.
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Oh I thought you were specifically talking about the F-14 parts sales. That eventually spun off into Iran-Contra in a way but I've never seen strong evidence Israeli initiated it. It seemed consistent that we wanted them kept in the Western sphere at least enough to stay out of Soviet (and Israeli) wars in the region. Open to reading anything you have on it. I've always understood Israel's role to be passive until they started seeing it as a way of indirectly hurting Iraq in the mid 80s, whereas the F-14 parts sales were happening by '81
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Back then there was a little more equity in our dealings with Israel. They'd do shit like make nukes without permission or try to kill our diplomats, but we would take advantage of their position for our own goals too, because the region mattered back then. Israel sending parts and equipment to Iran was more likely something they did as a favor for us, which we paid them for. We wanted Iran stronger, to keep it out of the Soviet attempt to gain control in the Middle East. Remember, Israel and Iran didn't really hate each other until the early 90s. Iran never interfered in Lebanon or anything like that the way Syria did.
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I'd be more worried about them smuggling a dirty bomb in somewhere than actually possessing and conventionally using a nuclear weapon.
I hate Israel as much as the next White non-pedophile, but people seem to be forgetting that muslims can be just as dangerous as jews
Also given the fact that we just sent like 3 dozen KC-135s, my money is also on seeing B2s. You don't need that many refuelers if we're just going to put an AWACS up or something
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I need to watch that movie again to see if it's as good as I remember it being
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It's like a weird organization for people who score well on IQ tests. Costs about $100 for a subscription to make you feel special.
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Please reconsider Christianity 😭
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I can no longer hear that song without hearing these lyrics
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Not all of his opinions are retarded, I'm trying to maintain optimism. He seems likely to keep homosexuality and female clergy out of the Church.
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What reforms do you think invalidate the Church's position?
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That's absolutely the historic Christian understanding. Has been for more than a millennia. They worship God the same way Arians did - they are thinking of the right God, they just have a completely retarded understanding of Him.
Read St. John of Damascus, he calls Islam "the heresy of the Ishmaelites" in the 700s AD - St. Thomas Aquinas takes a similar perspective. Islam, like modern Judaism or Arianism, is a Christian heresy.
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I think they were just trying to find common ground to start the process of correcting them, the same way I might tell a unitarian, "hey, we believe in the same New Testament" to start a conversation that leads to me teaching them the Trinity. Maybe not a perfect approach, but not heresy.
I think the modern understanding of extra ecclesium nulla salus is the closest V2 gets to heresy but I've read enough older declarations and letters that I'm comfortable with the language they use. If you want to attack V2, though, that would probably be a more debatable point :)
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Failure to be prudent isn't heresy, is sort of my point. The Councils speak truth, but sometimes it's the wrong time or manner to share that truth. Do you have a denomination/sedevacantist position?
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The Orthodox have some similar issues. Truths expressed at the wrong time in the wrong way. A lot of them resent that some of the assertions in Jerusalem 1672 were made even though they think they're true. If Vatican 2 was just a "bad idea with bad outcomes, but no falsehoods" (like how many Eastern Catholics view the Church's actions in 1054) that isn't heresy, it is just imprudent. You could probably make similar claims for the Councils of Ephesus, Chalcedon and Florence, re: the behavior and language used caused issues which damaged the Church. But that doesn't make them heresy or the bishops heretics.
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I think some of the language and terms used in the decrees were very western which scandalized some people, that's my impression of it.
But mostly it's Decree 16 and the assertion that infants are damned if unbaptized. Most EO don't seem to literally believe this, and say (fairly) that there's nuance and that Decree 16 can be addressed by a broader understanding, but that the claim probably shouldn't have been made so strongly.
It was an effort to encourage people to baptize their infants, which is very noble, but the way it was worded causes some scandal, so I used it as an example. No ill intent meant, just an example of how a Synod/Council can speak truth in a way that isn't perfectly prudent.
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Tfw protestants think they can buddy up with the Orthodox by insulting how much Catholics love Mary and they get hit with the "Most Holy Theotokos" stick. Every time
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Our only good diner closed and the remaining one is gross af 😭
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Ngl I go to those kinds of places now because inflation means it's either $14 for a decent burger made by hipsters or $14 for a worse burger at the deli
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