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pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:24 JST pepsi_man
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>American
>perverted form of Christianity
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  chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:14 JST chud
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  I think some of the language and terms used in the decrees were very western which scandalized some people, that's my impression of it.
  
  But mostly it's Decree 16 and the assertion that infants are damned if unbaptized. Most EO don't seem to literally believe this, and say (fairly) that there's nuance and that Decree 16 can be addressed by a broader understanding, but that the claim probably shouldn't have been made so strongly.
  
  It was an effort to encourage people to baptize their infants, which is very noble, but the way it was worded causes some scandal, so I used it as an example. No ill intent meant, just an example of how a Synod/Council can speak truth in a way that isn't perfectly prudent.
  
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  chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:15 JST chud
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  The Orthodox have some similar issues. Truths expressed at the wrong time in the wrong way. A lot of them resent that some of the assertions in Jerusalem 1672 were made even though they think they're true. If Vatican 2 was just a "bad idea with bad outcomes, but no falsehoods" (like how many Eastern Catholics view the Church's actions in 1054) that isn't heresy, it is just imprudent. You could probably make similar claims for the Councils of Ephesus, Chalcedon and Florence, re: the behavior and language used caused issues which damaged the Church. But that doesn't make them heresy or the bishops heretics.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:15 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @chud @Glassjaw @Deplorable_Degenerate @Faelyn @dever @pepsi_man > A lot of them resent that some of the assertions in Jerusalem 1672 were made even though they think they're true.
  The worst I’ve personally heard about this one is some “Westernizing” - though the details escape me. Otherwise I’ve only ever heard Jerusalem 1672 is basically all right. Do you know any common specific complaints, right off ?
  
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  Glassjaw (glassjaw@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:16 JST Glassjaw
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  @chud @Deplorable_Degenerate @Faelyn @dever @pepsi_man My position is the sedevacantist position. They are in a state of heresy until they scrap Vatican II. The orthodox should be louder about it. Some are.
  
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  Glassjaw (glassjaw@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:17 JST Glassjaw
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  @chud @Deplorable_Degenerate @Faelyn @dever @pepsi_man All they’ve done by trying to bend words into something that isn’t written is get more blood spilled.. not less.. so if the goal was to stop bloodshed or find common ground.. it’s not working.
  
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  chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:17 JST chud
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  Failure to be prudent isn't heresy, is sort of my point. The Councils speak truth, but sometimes it's the wrong time or manner to share that truth. Do you have a denomination/sedevacantist position?
  
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  Glassjaw (glassjaw@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:18 JST Glassjaw
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  @Deplorable_Degenerate @chud @Faelyn @dever @pepsi_man “The Catholic Church will not rest until every church is a mosque“ …basically.
  
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  chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:18 JST chud
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  I think they were just trying to find common ground to start the process of correcting them, the same way I might tell a unitarian, "hey, we believe in the same New Testament" to start a conversation that leads to me teaching them the Trinity. Maybe not a perfect approach, but not heresy.
  
  I think the modern understanding of extra ecclesium nulla salus is the closest V2 gets to heresy but I've read enough older declarations and letters that I'm comfortable with the language they use. If you want to attack V2, though, that would probably be a more debatable point :)
  
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  chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:19 JST chud
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  That's absolutely the historic Christian understanding. Has been for more than a millennia. They worship God the same way Arians did - they are thinking of the right God, they just have a completely retarded understanding of Him.
  
  Read St. John of Damascus, he calls Islam "the heresy of the Ishmaelites" in the 700s AD - St. Thomas Aquinas takes a similar perspective. Islam, like modern Judaism or Arianism, is a Christian heresy.
  
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  Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:19 JST Deplorable Degenerate
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  Arians at least didn't deny Christ's divinity.
  
  Muslims at least believe He was the messiah.
  
  You can rank heresies by severity, oh look at what ends up on the bottom...
  
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  chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:20 JST chud
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  What reforms do you think invalidate the Church's position?
  
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  Glassjaw (glassjaw@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:20 JST Glassjaw
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  @chud @Faelyn @dever @pepsi_man Mainly that Allah and God are the same God. It’s a soft denial of the triune nature of Christ.. blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.. which is the sin that will never be forgiven.
  
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  Glassjaw (glassjaw@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:21 JST Glassjaw
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  @dever @chud @pepsi_man @Faelyn Yeah.. doesn’t matter how many times
  sedevacantists say it.. but they’re right. It’s impossible to believe Vatican II reforms and believe in the divinity of Christ so you get what we got.
  
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  Glassjaw (glassjaw@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:22 JST Glassjaw
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  @chud @pepsi_man @dever Until they get rid of the Vatican II reforms they’re in a state of heresy.
  
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  dever (dever@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:22 JST dever
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  There's a lot more info here.
  https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/cardinals/robert-francis-prevost/
  He's accused of being yet another pedo protector.
  
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  chud (chud@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:23 JST chud
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  Not all of his opinions are retarded, I'm trying to maintain optimism. He seems likely to keep homosexuality and female clergy out of the Church.
  
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  ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:07:46 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
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  @chud @Deplorable_Degenerate @Faelyn @dever @Glassjaw @pepsi_man Gotcha; yeah that’s right, there are more than several high-profile instances wherein Eastern Bishops assert the Augustinian-based take on Original Sin - this being one of them. Since it can’t be denied this pops up quite frequently throughout Church history, it probably serves a higher purpose than what can easily be gleaned from a surface reading.
  I know the Council itself was called in response to Protestant innovations having begun by that point to influence Bishops - so it makes sense in that light why they’d desire a strong stance against refusing infant Baptism. But Ancestral Sin (rather than Original Sin) has generally been the Orthodox take that I’ve encountered being asserted amongst the Orthodox Saints. Pat. Dositheus II isn’t Glorified in Orthodoxy with the title “Saint” - though he‘s broadly respected as a lower-case “t” theologian.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:10:20 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @chud @Deplorable_Degenerate @Faelyn @dever @Glassjaw @KingOfWhiteAmerica @pepsi_man Ancient argument of whether it is proper to lie with a good reason. I lean towards no, but I've come to accept that being willing and able to have a rational discussion on that topic is rarer than I used to think.
  
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  BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 11:18:40 JST BowserNoodle ☦️
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  @Glassjaw @chud @Deplorable_Degenerate @Faelyn @dever @pepsi_man As an Eastern Catholic, I like at least one part of Vatican 2 — Orientalium Ecclesiarum. I'm quite glad it's there.
  
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  pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 20:39:00 JST pepsi_man
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  Lying is a virtue in war (deceive tbe enemy to protect your kin = good)
  
  We are at war with the other races.
  
  "The fighting's commenced, either get to fighting, or get out of my way"
  
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  Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 09-May-2025 20:39:00 JST Deplorable Degenerate
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  Yes, but part of the issue is getting our kin to join us in the defense. Consistently telling the truth helps with that, especially when lying is mostly a jewish virtue.
  
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