Notices by Nazo (nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social), page 2

@Oregon_Pacifist Pfft. The Unreal Tournament games were always better. I will die on this hill.

@svavar @thomasfuchs I mean, to be clear, I do think security issues should be updated against. The current version of RHEL is 10 and the last release of RHEL 5 was in 2014 — more than ten years ago — so Amazon AWS making the decision to stop supporting it is very sensible and frankly anyone using a base that old should have counted on this happening by now. (Even if this is mostly internal, it's still kind of asking for trouble for the OS itself to be that old in something that may potentially be a hack target.)

Actually, I think you demonstrated my point on the other end. It was a setup that lasted — more than ten years...

I think this whole topic is just discussing slower update paths where you don't get small, poorly tested updates every other day, not "don't update ever."

@thomasfuchs :anyathis:

This. So much this! People think software (and hardware too btw!) ages fast. Like milk. The most many people will hold onto any piece of hardware seems to be something like two years.

There's such an obsessive need to always have the latest of something that it turns into a "move fast and break things" situation all too often. Software developers keep making fast changes and everyone acts like if there is an update it must go out now now now and people must apply the update yesterday. (Note I'm not talking about actual security updates here. I'm talking about "there was a typo in the about page and also we changed the open dialog to use a custom API that only works on some systems" stuff.)

Software should be stable! Hardware should be stable!

@darkling @thomasfuchs And before someone comes in nitpicking that components like capacitors, batteries, etc do age and really really old devices do eventually stop working, I will state clearly I don't mean nothing ever ages at all, just that it's not the way people treat it. People buy new phones, PCs etc on almost a two-year cycle. Some even less! Hardware doesn't age that fast. You can still use a ten-year-old PC for most of the stuff everyone does today in fact. Some games/etc will have issues or require exceptionally low quality settings, but it's hardly a "nope, throw it in the trash" thing.

I wouldn't expect a 30-year-old PC to run today's software well, but I do expect a five-year-old one to at least run normal software well enough to not be trash.

@darkling @thomasfuchs Hardware doesn't age that way though.

I have a DAP from something like 2008 or so that still works today. Still sounds great on quality headphones like my Sennheiser HD650 too. It could play more than just MP3 files too. FLAC, OGG Vorbis, WMA, and I think M4A AACs (need to test that last one.) It sill powers on and it still holds a charge. It didn't rot and I won't be throwing it away just because it doesn't have bluetooth or something. (If I wanted that I could buy a bluetooth transmitter, but I don't really.)

But I don't even think we're arguing devices from decades ago should still be usable. It's much simpler. Hardware should still be reasonably usable for a reasonable number of years. More than just two. And "usable" doesn't mean great. Just not trash.

@svavar @thomasfuchs Firstly, to be clear, the OP isn't saying "no updates ever!" The point here is slower development and update cycles where more testing is done and more focus on stability. Less "move fast and break things," more "move slow and fix things."

Second, a lot more than you think can be done with those things! I literally play DOS games today via DOSBox-Staging for example. A decent modern setup running a VM can probably still work with a lot of those systems. IMO the issue there is they get too caught up on never changing anything. They bought IBM 5150s in 1980 or whatever, so today only get parts made for a 5150.

There is a balance to be had, but people seem to only go extremes on one side or the other instead.

@mattl I've done this in both Windows and Linux, but I ditched Windows since Microsoft has just completely lost their everloving minds. (Really 10 was already pushing me over the line, but then 11 and Copilot existed. Also Recall exists at all.)

I'm a permanent Linux resident now. No more back and forth.

@mattl Well, I don't know numbers. Maybe it's more than half, maybe less. Either way, a lot of people have multiple screens, so it sort of changes the dynamic of this for those who do.

As a side note, I'm a real oddball even in this because I get all OCD about my second screen using something like 15 watts even just to idle (and I think something like 23 when gaming) so I keep an HDMI switch and just flip it to the off position so the screen shuts off and most of the time just use one monitor, then just turn it on when I specifically need it.

So I kind of have to go with both in that I keep multiple windows non-maximized and tab between them a lot, but also I do sometimes move some things to another monitor. It's complicated. 😁

@mattl A lot of people with laptops tie them down with screens, keyboard, and mice.

I don't even know why they use a laptop when they do that since they essentially just created a super expensive really low quality desktop that thermal limits a lot, but anyway, that means another screen even with laptops, lol.

@mattl Don't forget multiple monitors is kind of a pretty standard thing these days. I feel like a huge number of people consider three to be standard even, though I feel more comfortable with two (a TV is number three, doing TV stuff.)

@arstechnica

@nova You think this looks harmless, but Nova just installed a kernel-level trojan on your system. Virus scans won't even catch it.

@skinnylatte Black and gold is just such a pretty coloring for cats.

I may have even said this before about your cat, but such a pretty cat.

@catsalad I can't see it very clearly. Is that glue stretching or did someone actually solder really thin wires to each individual contact?

@billyjoebowers @RickiTarr I think the curiosity would drive me wild. I would have to open it up. I mean why would they seal a whole room?

I'm sure it's some perfectly boring reason. I don't know, mold infestation or something? But to completely seal it up still just seems too extreme for anything that doesn't belong in a horror movie or murder mystery, lol.

@intrepidhero @ai6yr @APBBlue Wait, so am I reading this right? They just had, like a hole in the wall and people dropped the used razors in the hole in the wall as if it were a trash bin or something?

@rastilin @winterknight1337 XP and 7 were really good. The only reason I stopped using XP was because 7 was finally good enough to actually do just as well as XP ever did for me and supported newer techs than XP did.

But it does present a problem in that DirectX can't be backported and drivers are designed for 10+ only now, so I'm just not sure how they can be made to work with anything newer in hardware and in gaming. Plus Microsoft is doing everything they can to gut anything pre-11 and there is definitely potential for major security issues (like the printer driver thing -- I forget its exact specifics but it allowed remote execution. I don't think that ever got fixed?)

At this point I don't see how anything but Linux is viable, despite people's kneejerk fear/hatred/etc.

@winterknight1337 That was only for Copilot systems because they had NPUs. For normal home systems they can't count on a guaranteed NPU, nor can they count on people not to play games or etc. That means the only way it ever could have existed outside of Copilot PCs is for them to send it to their "cloud."

"It" in this context being "screenshots of every single thing going on on your computer."

(I do want it on the record I tried to say this is what would happen eventually way back then.)

I want to add as another inb4 and eventual "told-you-so" in general: it's opt-in for now. Eventually it will be opt-out. Then someday no option at all.

Ok, so I'm really having to ask the obvious here, but how are these rogue machines actually causing buttons/etc to physically move? I can accept circuits going rogue, but... There just... is no mechanism even with comets hacking them that they could physically move levers and switches and stuff.

#Monsterdon

So in about 40 minutes the #Monsterdon movie will be starting. This one looks to be spectacularly bad in the best possible ways, so I'm probably going to be saying a lot about it! To any who see my posts (followers/etc) if you don't want to see the messages, filter or mute the #Monsterdon tag, or if you're not feeling very generous, you can mute me for about two hours.

Or, alternately, come join us! This is sure to be a fun one! Miru will be sharing it here: https://miru.miyaku.media/ It's also on Tubi and other free streaming services. "Maximum Overdrive" is the name of the movie.

Right now a bunch of old anime ops are playing just for fun it seems, lol.