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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 12:06:07 JST 
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@p @judgedread
It's in Book 2 towards the end:
https://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.2.two.html
>he likewise encourages the separation of men from women, lest they should have too many children, and the companionship of men with one another
> καὶ πρὸς τὴν διάζευξιν τῶν γυναικῶν, ἵνα μὴ πολυτεκνῶσι, τὴν πρὸς τοὺς ἄρρενας ποιήσας ὁμιλίαν,
ομιλίαν = companionship https://lsj.gr/wiki/%E1%BD%81%CE%BC%CE%B9%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B1
Generally about population control:
>One would have thought that it was even more necessary to limit population than property; and that the limit should be fixed by calculating the chances of mortality in the children, and of sterility in married persons. The neglect of this subject, which in existing states is so common, is a never-failing cause of poverty among the citizens; and poverty is the parent of revolution and crime. Pheidon the Corinthian, who was one of the most ardent legislators, thought that the families and the number of citizens ought to remain the same, although originally all the lots may have been of different sizes: but in the Laws the opposite principle is maintained. What in our opinion is the right arrangement will have to be explained hereafter.
The whole of Book 2 is quite interesting because he criticizes Plato's Republic coming to the conclusion that its combination of sharing of property and women with a strict class based system is basically a mechanism to turn citizens into slaves.
>For friendship we believe to be the greatest good of states and the preservative of them against revolutions; neither is there anything which Socrates so greatly lauds as the unity of the state which he and all the world declare to be created by friendship. But the unity which he commends would be like that of the lovers in the Symposium, who, as Aristophanes says, desire to grow together in the excess of their affection, and from being two to become one, in which case one or both would certainly perish. Whereas in a state having women and children common, love will be watery; and the father will certainly not say 'my son,' or the son 'my father.' As a little sweet wine mingled with a great deal of water is imperceptible in the mixture, so, in this sort of community, the idea of relationship which is based upon these names will be lost; there is no reason why the so-called father should care about the son, or the son about the father, or brothers about one another. Of the two qualities which chiefly inspire regard and affection- that a thing is your own and that it is your only one-neither can exist in such a state as this.
>The artisans, and the husbandmen, and the warriors, all have a share in the government. But the husbandmen have no arms, and the artisans neither arms nor land, and therefore they become all but slaves of the warrior class. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 03-Jul-2025 14:40:02 JST
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@p @judgedread
>a late imperial court problem
Btw, Malthusianism gaining popularity can also be a late imperial court problem. It is a very old idea among the upper classes. Aristotle in his politics mentions how various city state rulers wanted to control the size of their population, with a particular city state keeping men separate from women in everyday life to incentivize homosexuality. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Jul-2025 20:53:43 JST
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First, he didn't stay silent. He was lying in the most incriminating manner possible.
Second, he didn't win, he is in prison for murdering and chopping his gf to pieces.
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Jul-2025 08:22:52 JST
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@Pi_rat @p @SuperDicq @pwm
>I will look into this, Im not sure how I would go about it at all since I have very surface level understanding of OOP.
I think he meant to make a class specifically for database operations. The database connection/initialization code will go into the class init and the cursor will be a class variable only accessible by the member functions. Then in your main routine you instantiate the class, let's say an object called db which you then use to call the methods providing only the information necessary. For instance db.addtag(path, newTagString), db.deletePath(path), etc.
It's been a while since I wrote any Python btw, I only use jupyter-notebook with some forecasting and data analysis libs nowadays. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Jul-2025 02:02:19 JST
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@Pi_rat @SuperDicq @hj @p
I like the simple approach that you have chosen. Focus on having a working prototype and perhaps later you could add hashes as a fallback. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Jul-2025 01:57:53 JST
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@SuperDicq @hj @p @Pi_rat
Because I want something more robust. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Jul-2025 01:48:14 JST
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@p @Pi_rat @SuperDicq @hj
How is it going to know it's the same files. If there are any discrepancies between its internal representation and the files on disc, it will have to recompute image hashes. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Jul-2025 01:12:24 JST
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@p @SuperDicq @Pi_rat @hj
What happens if you've got a couple of million images and you start moving things around? Does it go through all moved directories and recompute hashes?
Things get even worse with architectures that support publishing/sharing your images and tags with others. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Jul-2025 00:30:15 JST
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@SuperDicq @p @Pi_rat
>Hydrus is the most disgusting pile of bloated chanware that I've ever used with the worst UI known to man.
This is true, yes. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Jul-2025 00:29:26 JST
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@Pi_rat @SuperDicq @p
>How do you manage your images since you always seem to have relevant images ready for occasion.
Have you ever used hydrus? https://hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/index.html
I've been using it for years now. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Jun-2025 18:42:40 JST
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@p @Leyonhjelm @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @fba @nyanide @sysrq
Not if the biggest instances they are directed to are freeFEDextremist, fediFEDS and similar, while non subverted instances are fediblocked. Normal people can differentiate between mastodon[dot]social and poa.st. But they cannot differentiate between poa.st and nicecrew. They will go where they are told and where they get their cummies.
As such, they only need to take control of some of the spaces, and then make sure that those are the "places to be".
My expertise would be leftist spaces pre-Occupy but a similar process happened to hacker spaces. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Jun-2025 18:14:23 JST
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@p @Leyonhjelm @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @fba @nyanide @sysrq
Yeah, but I don't think it's one or the other. The point is to subvert those places that in combination with mass marketing, will be able to positioned as the hubs through which normies will be funneled.
It's not about taking us to their side, we can always be sidestepped. It's about controlling normies. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 30-Jun-2025 08:36:52 JST
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@p @Leyonhjelm @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @fba @nyanide @sysrq
>Well, that was a tactic (a tactic out of Alinsky), not really a meme.
Yeah, 100%, it was the successful application of said tactics online from their side (because /we/ have been applying these same tactics during GG, donglegate and similar).
>NAFO was not "the government has learned to meme", it was "the government can fund propaganda operations on the internet".
Given your earlier definition of meme encompassing humor and satire (and truth), the government is never gonna learn how to meme. But what they need is to subvert online spaces and organize successful online operations. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 29-Jun-2025 21:47:59 JST
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@p @Leyonhjelm @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @fba @nyanide @sysrq
>It died when the funding dried up; it didn't really turn into a community.
Yeah, it was a marketing operation but a successful one at that, even if the war wasn't.
>astroturf doesn't set down roots.
It doesn't, that is why it is necessary for them to subvert existing communities. They managed to get /k/ though, which is now an asset to them and will always be utilized during relevant events, like Palestine and Iraq.
>Ignore the Twitter person's commentary about the NAFO post.
Article 5ing on twitter was fun for the people doing the beatdown, that was the whole point of it. Make it enjoyable for the participants to censor the opponents.
What they describe as "mooks" from that very interesting article you linked in your other reply:
>mobs of interchangeable serf-like “mooks” mobilized by recreational outrage and snark to spar with ideological opponents of similar status. Mooks hope to signal their virtuous worth as rhetorical combatants to ultimately be elevated in the hierarchy to the level of knight. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 29-Jun-2025 21:14:45 JST
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@p @Leyonhjelm @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @fba @nyanide @sysrq
>If you mean the effective use of humor and satire, then NAFO still didn't pull it off.
It didn't around these parts. It was very successful at organizing an online movement with inside jokes, internal symbols, an identity, an active community, irl events and so on. It turned supporting Ukraine into an enjoyable and fun activity, with constant gore and dehumanization on the side.
Their humor and satire seems retarded to us but it is effective towards the people they were targeting.
I agree with both pics you posted. It wasn't only Kony2012, but it is this type of online organization that they've been trying to replicate.
Regarding the second picture, being able to attract young people is a strength rather than a weakness. For the people participating in it, it was fun. Now compare it with Hillary2016 which was a total embarrassment. Meanwhile, Hill's campaign managers were rightfully accused of being old geezers completely disconnected with young people. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 29-Jun-2025 20:16:45 JST
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@alyx @p @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @nyanide @sysrq @fba @Leyonhjelm
The mods, including moot, were controlled since at least GG. During Hill's campaign you'd often see posts supporting her that'd feel like paid posts. But they were never able to have a meaningful effect.
I think the first time they were able to use memes successfully was NAFO.
It may may be impossible to to prove the post is real but it is is plausible under the circumstances at the time. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 13-Jun-2025 06:20:19 JST
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@p @phnt @cjd
The scraping industry has become quite diverse regarding vertical integration lately.
There are:
- "legitimate" companies selling residential and mobile proxies
- full service companies where you provide a url and you receive the scrape result, some with an API frontend.
(regarding the full service firms the pricing is directly correlated to anti-bot overcoming techniques)
- There are a couple of sites like multi-vendor marketplaces for scrapers. Vendors will provide the spider program, the site operator will run it, and the user will pay per result
It could be one of these fully automated firms working for OpenAI. Many people have the illusion that these neural algorithms are intelligent monoliths whereas it is usually the combination of many neural nets alongside traditional web infrastructure. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jun-2025 03:51:47 JST
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@PurpCat @p @nyanide @pwm @sarvo
> adjacent to similar groups like Korps and voidpunk and whatnot.
You know, this sounds like some esoteric music subculture.
Where in the 80s you'd get drunk with goth girls and have your identity revolve around that, nowadays these "people" goon in discord 24/7. -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jun-2025 01:59:35 JST
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@p @mavalalkujuuu
>For each remaining notification, send a message, note the message.
I suppose it also dismisses these notifications after replying -
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Jun-2025 03:57:29 JST
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