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>make a fair and even measurement of its value

They provide:
- News aggregation
- collection
- categorization
- cataloguing
- publication
- Supportive Information gathering
- News contextualization
- Community synchronization and agenda setting

These hold true from a small newsletter to globe spanning news networks. And they are necessary for the well being of a community.
It is their motives that makes them different from one another, and specifically whose interests they promote.

>do have the decency to stay on topic, we are, in this thread, discussing the sort of press that reports on OpenAI and not something more similar to a group chat that says the neighbor on the corner has extra canned fruits.

The OP was about AI output being logged which is presumably done at the request of online news publications. Which somehow invalidates the press as a whole.
I am not talking about a group chat, but I am including a community newsletter. Don't play retarded at how a topic evolves throughout a conversation.

>are somehow not ordinary but actually a subversion requires justification.

Social degradation is indeed a very common phenomenon. Doesn't mean it is sustainable though.
An alienated mass of slaves will consume whatever information their masters choose to feed them. Their masters still need private, high quality, news aggregation.
I'd rather not call this the natural state of social existence.

>it is better that nobody is 'blamed'.
We should be blamed for not realizing that those running the news were not working with our interests in mind.
We should not be blamed for using news organizations.
Here, I hope that clears things out.