@Fullycaffeinated@starsstorm@TheWitchBitch@Cousin_Isobel As a stamped and certified "weird kid," I know that teachers often reached out to my parents just to make sure I was being a comparable weird at school as I was at home. The answer was yes so they stopped being actively concerned about it lol.
@Piss_Ant I was also confused the first time I heard the "god save the queen" version. Perhaps the American version was the old timey version of a diss track.
@starsstorm@senryu@Piss_Ant@IsraelDelendaEst See! As a base concept it really isn’t far fetched or entirely unheard of. I just think asexuality got ripped apart by the larger culture surrounding sexual orientation (thus an inclination to assign a word to it) which is how we got to where we are today with it. Some people just aren’t interested leaning toward perplexed.
@Piss_Ant@IsraelDelendaEst Asexual as a term for human sexual behavior has no meaning because it fell victim to “inclusivity without exception” mentality. Originally it just followed the logic of “if you could be attracted to one sex or both sexes, it is also possible to be attracted to neither.” It’s really not a big leap in my opinion. Personally I have no first hand framework for what physical arousal or attraction to another person feels like. So most people are inclined to think I have a medical problem. And that’s fine so long as I’m not being carted off to some facility lol.
@Piss_Ant@IsraelDelendaEst I guess? Idk. The only comment I’ll add here is that many people start masturbating before they develop sexual interest in other people. Make of that what you will lol.
@Piss_Ant@chainsaw_appreciator@IsraelDelendaEst Up until a few years ago, lack of sexual interest was considered a disorder (in the DSM) no matter the cause or lack thereof. Now they’ve amended it to say it’s only a disorder if it’s causing the person distress and that was a result of probably the only example of “asexual activism.” I have varying thoughts about the change.
But as I’ve said here in the past, imagine everything that has been done to the words “lesbian,” “woman,” and even “gender,” combine and multiply that by 100 then make it sure that up until 10 years ago few have ever heard of the word. That’s what has happened to “asexual.”
As for if it’s a sexual orientation or not, I’m unsure why so many hyper focus on that. In response I’d just say, is atheism a religion? The relationship is similar.
@stephagain@susansiens@GrumpyOldNurse Once when it was revealed I don't drink alcohol, a group of people asked me what I do when I have the urge to drink alcohol. I said I never had an urge to drink it and they said I was being untruthful. But drinking all the time is so normal in my line of work, perhaps everyone really does have a bit of an addiction going on.
@susansiens@stephagain@GrumpyOldNurse There were two occasions in college when I was given an alcoholic drink as a joke. So these days when I'm handed a supposedly non-alcoholic drink in a party setting then examine it and people act offended that I'd be suspicious, I wonder if now that I'm part of an older demographic that's just not something anyone would do or if that person is simply underestimating what others might find humorous.
@Gnomeshatecheese@EmmyNoether I guess I was typically under the impression that the very idea to consider dating someone was more likely due to outside influences (like how people date on TV shows) rather than any genuine desire to pursue a distinctly different relationship type from friendship. I was also caught off guard by the notion that beginning to date at 16 or 17 would be considered "late." In my mind "later than usual" would be more like 25 lol.
@Gnomeshatecheese@EmmyNoether I guess from my point of view, it seemed like the natural way of things to build/share a life with a friend. And whoever that friend happens to be, they then become your partner. I guess that's why dating (for the purpose of finding a lover) always seemed like learned behavior rather than a natural inclination.
The other natural way of things (though I acknowledge society is not set up like this) would to be to join a home that espouses a core set of values or expectations. At risk of sounding stupid, I'll give an example. Let's say the next step in the process for the school I grew up in was for us to all live in residence with each other. So really, a convent without Jesus. I've always felt very comfortable in the women's residences I've lived in in the past and was always disappointed that it couldn't be a permanent arrangement... absent going down to the front desk and saying you wanted to become a nun.
@Gnomeshatecheese@EmmyNoether Is friendship devoid of intimacy though? How are you defining intimacy? People often describe their partner as being their best friend which makes me wonder if people often consider sexual enjoyment to be a prerequisite for a best friendship. Or if it’s simply more practical to get to know someone very well that you’re also having sex with because it’s an enjoyable activity but high risk in a way that keeping one designated person around for that is beneficial. So a side effect of keeping that person around is that this strong apparent friendship develops.
@Gnomeshatecheese@EmmyNoether I do feel like I remember seeing an article once where a couple did that. It looked like they had custom houses built from scratch that were separate properties but linked by a bridge. And then I've also seen people bringing up questions like... "If I want a separate bedroom from my partner, is that a bad thing?" Or generally trying to express that while they enjoyed having a partner, they do wish they had their own spaces. I figure that's where terms like "man cave" and, more recently, the "she shed" came about lol.
And yeah, when I tell people about these residences and (great location, cheap rent, private sleeping room) they instantly dismiss the option when I also say "But you can't bring in alcohol or men or make noise past 10pm or (technically) hang anything on the walls or have visitors past the lobby." My sister also detests noise from others. She wouldn't even let me live with her for a couple months when I landed a summer job in her city! I'm still quite bitter about that.
I'd also like to clarify that I don't think the romantic partnership arrangement is a farce or the complete result of outside factors and the even sometimes small but pivotal role of brain chemicals. I'm just also inclined to think that my own internal sense of normal isn't particularly unique so the absence of seeing that reflected around me I attribute to social learning and just the general way society has been structured.
Certainly by my mid twenties, I was looking around very caught off guard by the consistency with which everyone was making the same overarching life choices even if such choices seemingly lacked much notable enthusiasm.
@Gnomeshatecheese@EmmyNoether Yes I've encountered many people who prefer solitude but ended up in a more common partnership arrangement unexpectedly (with the help of brain chemicals) when I start asking questions like this lol.
There are a select few friends I'd be overjoyed to live with while the prospect for most others would be rather "meh." Though in a larger house situation - like a women's residence - I don't have the expectation that everyone is going to get along swimmingly. I don't even have the expectation that I'll know who everyone is. I just expect we'll all abide by the overall rules and expectations set by the house and forming friendships within that larger group of people would simply improve my quality of life within the house.
@Gnomeshatecheese@EmmyNoether Well yeah I’d say that’s the second most common (if not the most common) end result - living solo! But of the options that are not living solo (or with previously established blood relatives), together with a romantic partner is basically the thing. And yes, many might not like living communally. But from my pov, living with a romantic partner is a form of communal living.
You’re right in that single family households are more common in some places than others and even that commonality is more or less a recent development in some places rather than others.
@Gnomeshatecheese@EmmyNoether While I do understand what you're saying, the three examples you provided of you and your two friends all have the same thing in common (which is the life decision I was referring to), even if the details of the arrangement look different/came about after a different series of events. You've all arrived at the same destination. Most people arrive at that destination. Nothing resembling what I'm talking about ever seems to present itself as a destination of equal or even remotely similar value or likelihood and I find that odd barring any analysis of the way the world has organized itself.
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