@Starprophet1@sickburnbro@DW2@TrevorGoodchild Because some marriages are better to be dissolved, and it's more harmful to society to keep people together that can't function together.
@sickburnbro@Starprophet1@DW2@TrevorGoodchild It's harmful to keep people together that don't want to be. Two parents raising a kid separately is better than a kid being raised in a household with constant fighting, distrust, and potentially DA.
@Punished_Potatus@sickburnbro@Starprophet1@DW2@TrevorGoodchild This has been proven false so conclusively so often it's impossible that you're sincere. Children of divorced parents are always emotionally injured. The best course of action for the family is for the Man and the woman to get their heads out of their asses and raise their children.
Traditionally, this could have involved correction. In the case of the Man being a nefarious n'er-do-well, it was conceivable that the other Men in his area may offer to correct him. In the case of the woman, it took nothing more complex than a firm "No", coupled with a spanking.
And that was it. Healthy children grow up to be healthy adults.
Any argument to the contrary is very plainly a subversive trying to destroy civilization by preventing Whites from having children.
My first wife needed beat, it would have solved a lot of problems. Thankfully she's not mine anymore. I have a much younger less problematic version now.
@Punished_Potatus@NoDoxGregBrady@Starprophet1@DW2@TrevorGoodchild You're just wrong, and literal decades of data shows this. People who are selfish in a marriage will be so outside. Women with children who live with a man who is not the father have mindblowing high rates of abuse for their children.
@NoDoxGregBrady@sickburnbro@Starprophet1@DW2@TrevorGoodchild This is just wrong. Forcing incompatible people to live together to raise a child is more harmful than dual custody parenting. This is the result of taking the anti-liberal mindset to the extreme, without considering basic realities, such as certain marriages not being healthy places for children to be raised. There's no data that supports your side, that isn't the result of generational causation.
I held out as long as I was able but was slowly dying inside. I did 90 percent of the child raising and housework as it was, so saw no point in staying in a dead relationship. My two oldest were already adults by that point and the third was 16. My two youngest were 2 and 3.
I wanted full custody but as narcissists are very good at hiding their true nature I had to settle for 50/50.
I have since remarried a woman that is supportive, and a true help mate.
but...
Both of my daughters refuse to speak to me any more, making up garbage reasons and trying to cause me and my wife legal trouble, and my two youngest have a lot of emotional issues that we are working thru.
It is compounded by the fact that all the progress we make with them is undone when they go back to my ex.
There is no doubt that what you say is correct, but sometimes we are put into a no win situation. It's just trying to rebuild a life and provide as much love and attention to my boys as I am able.
Which part of that stings the most? That there are no studies or research of any type that says divorce is good for children? That it doesn't matter if the woman is "happy" in the marriage so long as she's correctly shitcanning her emotional reactivity and raising her children properly? Or that jew anti-White hatred isn't going to win an argument here?
I have a solution for you, though. Since you seem to place so much importance on the "incompatible people" part of your argument: Neither party is allowed to choose whom to marry, the whole thing will be arranged ahead of time, the families themselves will take the necessary measures to insure "compatibility" up-to and including necessary corporal adjustments, and anyone (like you) attempting to weaken the structure of marriage and family will be immediately hanged.
The attached graph shows insane changes in the last 70 years. But the key takeaway is that both "family" and "friends" are going to be better judges of who you are compatible with than some evil internet company looking to make money
@AuntNorma@Starprophet1@NoDoxGregBrady@DW2@Punished_Potatus@TrevorGoodchild@sickburnbro That's how it actually works in most cases. In Turkey mothers and grandmothers activate their network, if their son intends to get married. The problem sometimes is, that their network often consists mainly of family (while the men's network would also include business relationships), which leads to inbreeding and the birth of a high number of tards in some cases. But these problems can be fixed easily compared to the "just find your soulmate, bro"-system
@Starprophet1@NoDoxGregBrady@DW2@Punished_Potatus@TrevorGoodchild@sickburnbro Counterpoint. The mothers, grandmothers, aunties, and nosy female relatives of all sorts were heavily involved in matchmaking in European society. They still are even in patriarchal societies like Afghanistan today. in fact, depriving older women of their matchmaking duties has been a big reason for their interference in social problems, like race relations, that are none of their concern.
I have a solution for you, though. Since you seem to place so much importance on the "incompatible people" part of your argument: Neither party is allowed to choose whom to marry, the whole thing will be arranged ahead of time, the families themselves will take the necessary measures to insure "compatibility" up-to and including necessary corporal adjustments, and anyone (like you) attempting to weaken the structure of marriage and family will be immediately hanged.
Arranged marriage is the traditional marriage. And only the men of the two families involved got to choose.
As if the environment where mom & dad get chippy with each other on the regular is worse than the one where mom has new "uncles" each month for a sleepover and dad is fucking whatever whore he decides to bring around the kids.
@Punished_Potatus@sickburnbro@Starprophet1@DW2@TrevorGoodchild Only if there is physical abuse. If you have children you may not break up because you've outgrown one another or have decided you want a different life. You have a contract, a responsibility. You will have to stay together and maintain a safe and secure environment for your children to thrive. You will put them first. You will make it work. You will honour your vows. That is all. Dunnot go on about some random circumstances. Make it work.
Women feel low-level emotions at all times, very broadly, but there's no depth to their emotions. If they really want to "feel" a strong emotion, it must be by empathetically relating to another person who is feeling that emotion.
So, while they may be "mad", it's just a low-level on-the-surface emotion. They can flip-flop to another emotion with a moment's notice. "I'm really angry with you OH LOOK HOW CUTE THAT SMILING BABY IS I'm really happy now."
Very often, when they're picking fights with their Man, there are two things happening: a desire to feel the true depth of an emotion, and a total inability to recognize that Men and women are fundamentally different. A Man doesn't flip-flop between emotions. Most of the time, a Man will ignore petty little irrelevancies to maintain state-control. Because experiencing an individual emotion is a deeper event for a Man; his woman cannot comprehend this, which is why picking yet-another fight for her is just passing the time, while for him it's an event.
She want's to really feel that emotion, but she can't do it without feeling it through him. She also wants that emotion to turn-off the moment she's done, which he can't do. Her vapid, mild emotions can jump from feeling to feeling. His deep, experiential emotions cannot be simply turned off.
(this is a major subject and I'm already tl;dr, so I'm done here)
Exactly. They always assume the fact that nothing bothers you means you don't give a shit about them and then go out of their way to try to get under your skin.
The main difference is how little desire I have to argue, dominate, or control anything. I KNOW men are smarter and more capable and they should be loved for it. Thoroughly.
Also the concept of "marital rape" is a complete jewish shibboleth, sometimes the best thing to do for a relationship when your wife fucks up is wag your finger in her face as you wag your dick inside her. Take some initiative! She already consented when she said "I do."
Exactly right. ZOG invented "marital rape" out of thin air in the 1970s.
When the 1611 KJV translation of the Bible was created, "marital rape" simply didn't exist as a concept.
@Starprophet1@MMS21@ThePoastmasterGeneral@DW2@NoDoxGregBrady@boburtle this is kind of the same stupid thinking people keep running into "I'm not going to help my children find a good partner, but because I'm not going to do that, there is a good chance they will find a bad one, so they need to be able to get out of it, and we need to make it so they don't have to prove anything!"
>When a "traditional marriage" happens, my daughter isn't "my woman" anymore. She now belongs to her husband. She is still your daughter. >She should obey her husband better. You know there's alcoholics out there that beat the living shit out of their wives when their football team loses? she cannot do anything to avoid that situation. There's also controlling men who hide their nature. You get the idea by now so I don't need to list every situation. >The Taliban is right about women. What did they say?
It's not even a surprise. When Richard Ramirez, the night stalked who got nabbed on more than 10 charges of armed robbery, murder and rape got nabbed, hundreds of women threw at his feet.
I wonder if what's happening there is a broken form of validation;
[Ted Bundy picks beautiful young women, therefore if Ted Bundy picks me then I am a beautiful young woman]
Like, the need for validation is hardwired; they can't control that. If the wires get crossed at all, they do outrageously stupid shit to reach that validation.
Under no circumstances should we let young women pick their mates.
I'm not saying they shouldn't have a veto, but too many woman go for bad boys.
There was a guy that got popped for armed robbery and he was exceptionally good looking. His mugshot got published in an online news article. Hundreds of women gushed over how handsome he was.
I say "the monkey's paw" because your invocation of "rapist" means you want feminism without feminism's outcomes. I am unmoved by your tears because you must be receive your punishment.
I don't need you to explicitly say that you're wrong. Just respond to the scenario where the wife isn't to blame when her husband is abusive and beats her and if you would still not support divorce in this case, even if it was your daughter.
The other guy already exposed his retarded coward mindset by saying he handed his daughter over and now she's the other dudes problem.
I do get my morality from Islam. Nothing I said goes against it's teachings. You should explain your claim otherwise not respond at all.
When I call you guys rapists it's because you're displaying rapist behavior. I think you got stumped on my scenario because you still haven't responded.
You still have alcoholics beating their wives when their teams lose regardless of all that. I mentioned a scenario where the man is at fault elsewhere in this thread, what would you do given this?
You're dismissing this by saying it's a shitty trope but it's the reality for many women in the UK.
What if the guys dad doesn't give a shit? Plenty of parents are like this, he might not even be alive.
You're all avoiding the fact that divorce is valid in this case. It's fine to admit you're wrong dude I don't care that much, I just responded to starprophet1 because he said something dumb.
>We have women in this country who are looking to mutilate their sons without the consent of their fathers. what is the relevance of this? I'm a guy btw.
>but it doesn't matter if people say something is or is not a teaching, how people act matters You cannot say a group of people believe in something if a minority does it and there is no evidence that they do
>You are either engaging in taqqiya, unable to process this discussion or not being a honest participant. You're doing taqqiya rn and projecting
Taqqiya is a lie made about Islam to badly portray us. You've shut down each time I've questioned you about it because you know that you're lying. It's a "get out of jail" card for you when you've lost.
The issue is with Mirpuris, that's why they are all shitskins. I don't blame people for not understanding tbfh, foreign land and all, but there is no such thing as a 'Pakistani race', we go by Caste and Tribal Affiliation.
"We were both angry!" for example. And nothing said while angry will have any weight going forwards if you fall into that trap.
When their feelings encounter a man with control over himself and the situation they crash, their emotional tirade subsides and they adopt the emotion of the authoritative figure. Being aware of and prepared for these tantrums in extremely important.
I would expect my daughter to not force her husband to be celibate and to take responsibility for her obligations to her husband, the same way you fucking women expect men to be your providers and have them sent to jail when they don't. This pampered feminist attitude will die, within our lifetime. Women owe their husbands sex. Deal with it.
the "lol who cares if she's enjoying it?" mentality - sadly, very prevalent in many manosphere-educated men - runs into a fundamental problem: people (including wahmen) like doing things that are fun, and when they're not fun (or worse, a chore), they don't like doing them and begin to resent that for entirely understandable reasons, and that resentment grows roots and yields poisonous fruits that you really don't like
part of being the apex of the household pyramid is understanding what everybody needs, and making sure they have it; in the case of wahmen, one of those needs is "solid deep-dicking in such a fashion that they laugh off the idea of getting it anywhere else"
remember the fundamental truth of manhood: whatever "it" is, it may or may not be fair, and it may or may not be your fault, but it is always your problem