@paulbiggar I sent them a message on their contact form saying I'll never use them again.
(I started boycotting Kellogg's almost 30 years ago because they sued a band I liked for being called "The Toucans", and it simply became a habit, so I shan't forget this one either.)
@evan Spam and harassment also existed in email, at orders of magnitude greater levels, and yet Google did not try to kill open email standards but simply solved the issue.
They rolled out Gmail on April 1, 2004, with a good spam checker that improved over time, and didn't get into XMPP until much later.
You present no evidence of the claim that "spam and harassment outweighed the benefits". No evidence appears to exist except a single press release, bereft of even a single number.
No, it is not a violation of "human rights" if, say, my instance or all instances choose not to federate with Threads.
That you bring "human rights" into the issue is a measure of the poverty of your actual argument. And I might add that Facebook has complete disregard for human rights.
@colo_lee@evan Can you explain what "stepping up" would have been, exactly, and who exactly are the people who didn't do it?
What solid evidence do we have that "not stepping up" caused Google and FB to silently and gradually stop supporting XMPP, except a single unsupported and unspecific statement by a Google spokesperson vaguely blaming Spam, with no details or numbers?
If Google had broken email for the same reason, would you have agreed?
What percentage of the traffic was spam or harassing? Was it 10%, 1% or 0.0001%? How much effort did dealing with this take? Why couldn't the spam protection mechanisms of gmail be used to the same purpose?
If they wanted to be transparent at the time or any time since, they could. It has been proven in court repeatedly that Google are deliberate monopolists. There is no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.
But you can easily prove there is no way to prevent this problem in general, which is why all programming languages have this!
I strongly recommend reading some books on numerical analysis. The second volume of Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming has a chapter called "Arithmetic" that is still one of the best sources.
@MiriShuli@Ulzana@MeeMee@chu@Niall I might add that if you block someone for making factual claims, and don't provide any facts, logic, reasoning, or peer-reviewed citations, you're essentially saying that you don't care whether someone is factually correct or not, you just don't want to hear it.
Thanks to Obama's focus on fracking, America is the largest oil producer in the world. The US still gives $20 billion a year in subsidies to fossil fuels.
Spending just 4% of the amount spent on fossil fuel subsidies to fight the climate catastrophe is far too little, far too late.
@LouisIngenthron@clacke@dangillmor@cobalt To be accurate, your analogy would have to have a slave owned from birth to death by a King, sitting at every campfire, and giving back nothing to any community.
Really, to compare an individual listening to another individual around a campfire to a huge machine sucking in billions of documents is just a false comparison entirely.