What's your favorite vaccine? I fell into the rabbit hole in 2019 when we were all gonna die of measles (& because I, myself, could never have more than one of the original DPT shots, & my brother had a near-death reaction to the first babies' measles vaccines in the 60's). They, uh, tabled giving babies under 1 yr the shot that year, since they also already had passive immunity from their moms... never reported deaths back then.
Even based on the anti vaccine child death estimates of the MMR vaccine, which as far as I can tell are non-falsifiable anyway, they're still lower than the child deaths we'd have from MM and R.
...except, speaking of non-falsifiable and anecdotal evidence, the minute I say that, I'm going to have someone coming in here saying that the cure for MMR and Polio is using a toilet and washing your hands, and if I say that's dumb, they're going to call me a Democrat and block me. I can't win so believe whatever you guys want.
They’ve been so full of shit about vaccine risks for over a hundred years. Lying with statistics. They’ll tell you the likelihood of any specific side effect is very small; but they don’t tell you the probabilities are cumulative — such that the likelihood of problems in general are shockingly high.
I literally begged my mother, who is a extreme Zionist even by out low tolerance standards, not to take my sister to a psychologist/"therapist" with a Jewish last name and somehow she listened to me
So all the people who got a polio vaccine and boosters who didn't get polio are a statistical anomaly?
I can't tell whether people think bill gates is a libtard who's really good at genocide, a lizard person who's really bad at it, or secret third thing that's also both, but note that I am one hundred percent sure that C) isn't true.
Non-falsifiable? If anything, deaths post-vaccine are rarely attributed to the vaccine, but yes... those diseases can pose problems. I didn't think mumps was very fatal 🤔 My mom had it as pregnant at 19 & gave it to her 44-yr old dad that fared worse with, you know, testicles - yikes - but it's not much for fatalities. Rubella is mostly a concern for pregnancy, but measles does kill some chil'ens.
Wait for it... diseases are eugenic by nature & may the odds be ever in your favor 😉
Me too. I do find it strange through. There's no explanation that I can find, other than maybe some company makes money and kicks some back to the party.
At least with disease that can spread person to person there's some theoretical justification, counter arguments aside.
The sad part is that Indians are going to evolve to have the strongest immune systems ever, since they put their feet in their food, while the west externalized their immune systems via vaccination, but only until that's unavailable or stops working.
What about the folks who got polio vaxxs & DID still get polio?? My stepdad's brother was one. Not everyone was going to catch polio, anyhow... or, well, it's also like 98% asymptomatic.
I get the basic immunological premise, there; I just think tetanus specifically has been shrouded in massive horseshit for reasons not entirely clear - though I imagine power and profit have something to do with it.
And the generation that pushes it the hardest are baby boomers, and they're the generation most afraid of aging and death. That can't accept their own mortality. They locked the country up for a year because of this. I'm honestly so sick about hearing them say "muh polio" every time I say "vaccine". It's equivalent to "muh six million" for their tribe.
I'm gonna give you some credit here... & like Hump said... there's justification for wanting to stop/slow communicable diseases. When they used to naturally occur, things went in accordance with, well, nature...
Now we have leagues of unhealthy people, parents, kids, etc, & babies with no acquired immunity from their naturally-infected mothers, adults who will suffer more than kids & lost vaxxed immunity without knowing it... opting out of shots now is riskier than it would've been if we'd never implemented mass campaigns & fucked with nature.
That's how they keep forcing us into them, but gotta rip the band-aid some day.
So, in 2005 when the measles deaths in the US were recorded as zero, and the measles deaths in India were recorded as 92000, we should rip the bandaid off so that we can develop the measles immunity India had in 2005 after decades of additional time without vacccines?
You're probably the type of boomer that intentionally exposed your children to chicken pox, and put them at risk of shingles.
Tl;dr you don't know what fuckery can happen when you start manipulating the immune system. You're using nigger tier technology on a apparatus you don't fully understand.
I could compare it to the measles outbreaks in 90% white countries before there were mass non white immigration into europe, or mass vaccination campaigns...
Really, though... Dr. Paul Thomas talks about the high death rate of Africans to measles. Nutrition is part of it (lackthereof), but some of it is genetic. It literally has an affinity for off'ing muds & kills our kids at a rate 1/1000 as much (trending downward at the time of vaccine introductions even). Whyyyy didn't we keep measles around?? Cleanse the earth!
>but they don’t tell you the probabilities are cumulative
I was thinking about something related this morning; they began introducing things that would cause small negative effects to IQ. Flouride in the drinking water, for example, is supposed to knock off an IQ point.
One IQ point isn't something to worry about when "weighed against the benefits". But introduce thirty or forty individual things like that and you've enstupidated an entire population.
>the best way to make the larger population dumb remains the GOAT: replacing the existing population with a dumber group. maybe all of those changes weren't enstupidating, but rather enfeminating.
> Trust me, bro. Tetanus is dangerous though I don't know anyone who ever caught it. It will inure you. We need the government to protect us from rusty nails.
I don't know anyone either. I have stepped on a lot of rusty nails and prolly had 3 of those jabs in my 64 years. I'm pretty sure I'm marked safe from lock jaw.
Actually, they didn't require it here when I was a kid, so most people I know aren't vaccinated. So you're wrong. And again, you haven't answered my question. Maybe learn to read English.
Also, you're a faggot. But I've told you this before. Go back to sticking your dick in your microSD reader.
polio is heavy metal poisoning, specifically Paris Blue (arsenic and copper) and Paris Green (arsenic and lead) pesticides. It has now been rebranded as multiple sclerosis. My dad had a mild case of it his whole life. They didn't know because his little sister had it really bad.
>So all the people who got a polio vaccine and boosters who didn't get polio are a statistical anomaly?
I am not an expert on vaccine effectiveness, but if I recall the timeline the polio vaccine was introduced after the peak was passed. Most people exposed already had natural immunity without knowing, making the vaccine itself unnecessary to the bulk of the population.
But I get all of my research from internet schizos, so I could be wrong about that.
@Humpleupagus@Suiseiseki@GoyGirl@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Robert_Edwardly@technolyze open source is not the opposite of proprietary, if anything it is the most dangerous form of proprietary as it pretends to be free. in principle, each individual vaccinated person reduces risk for all unvaccinated persons. given vaccines are mandatory in lots of places, a disease could be completely eradicated from even places that actively refuse vaccination. suiseiseki's point holds regardless of whether your whole neighborhood (or tristate area) did not mandate (or even outright banned) vaccines. The Science™ never emphasizes that, because it is counterproductive to their goal (which is not vaccination, but rent- and status-seeking, and whatever sadistic kick they get out of scaring urbanite parents into pumping their infant kids full of mercury adjuvants).
Maybe things would be better if governments instead forced them to produce decent vaccines that would eradicate diseases.
Claims about mercury in vaccines is low IQ fearmongering - yes thiomersal is used as an antifungal preservative in some vaccines - but it's 15% of daily mercury exposure dose (a dose set so low that it's known that nothing could possibly happen over a 100 year timespan) and that form of mercury is soon cleared from the body as well.
Fewer vaccines now use thiomersal and instead use alternatives, as the low IQ seem to fail to grasp the concept that the dose makes the poison and that harmful amounts of mercury in childhood results in cattle unsuitable for governmental use.
The vaccine schedule exists to keep the cattle free from the nastiest diseases, so more are available unspoiled for their later usage.
The synergistic result of multiple substances are hard to predict, but thiomersal soon gets cleared from the body and thus cannot have any long-lasting build-up synergistic effect and there has always been some level of mercury in soil.
@Suiseiseki@Humpleupagus@GoyGirl@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Robert_Edwardly@technolyze there are mercury-based adjuvants in vaccines as well. this is related to another point above. if i have 999 substances present in "absolutely insignifcant harmless trace p(you'll be fine)=0.999" quantity, the odds that i'll be fine are actually 0.999 ^ 999 or about 0.4
@Suiseiseki@Humpleupagus@GoyGirl@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Robert_Edwardly@technolyze i stand corrected. my information must have been outdated re: the use of mercury adjuvants. nevertheless, i am suspicious-by-default of taking vaccines concocted by people with the kind of incentives pharma has. synergistic effects don't need a lo of time to take root. there are cascades that act as a positive feedback loop once kicked off. i find it difficult to believe zero such cascades are kicked off by any of the components of modern vaccines. at best, any that are are effectively no-ops.
There really aren't that many vaccines given to people, meaning the dose of the components is low and vaccines are rarely given after childhood - maybe once a year on average after childhood.
What is the difference between the components of old vaccines and modern vaccines?
Even if there are mythical "cascades kicked off", that's still better than having no immunity and then suffering from chickenpox, diphtheria, tetanus, diphtheria, hepatitis, influenza, measles, pneumococcal, polio and/or rotavirus - although with modern medicine, each disease is unlikely to kill you alone, the risk of each disease is cumulative - you can get several in a row and even at the same time - there was a reason childhood mortality and disfigurement used to be so high.
Chickenpox is quite a nasty disease - even if a childhood infection doesn't lead to severe scarring and is resolved, the varicella zoster virus goes and hides in nerve cells, waiting decades for the individual to become weak and most immunity to disappear and then strikes again (there are shingles vaccines, but those are only 50-90% effective).
Then why did the number of vaccines given to kids explode with years after Reagan granted pharma immunity for them?
Pharma isn't compelled to do anything, period. Why do you think drugs like Zantac & Vioxx were wildly popular, hugely prescribed, then - whoops - we're killing you guys 🙄
Mercury was used as a sterilant. The adjuvant used was aluminum. Regardless of whether or not they contain mercury, many of them still have aluminum in them, which is a known neurotoxin. Mercury is even more toxic, and combined there is a synergistic effect that makes the combination much more toxic than either would be on their own. It's crazy, and more than a bit suspect, that that exact combination was ever in childhood vaccines.
It’s my understanding that tetanus is actually literally linked with horse manure; ie traditionally it was thought of as a horse disease. The rusty nail thing is a more modern add-on
Chicken Pox is not "quite a nasty disease." I'm Gen-X. I had it as a kid. It was 4-5 days of mild flu-like symptoms combined with some itchy redish-pink spots on the skin. It runs it's course and then you have life long immunity. Our parents used to have Chicken Pox parties wherein they would purposely expose many kids at a time just to get it over with.
Vaccinating for it is unnecessary, as with other childhood vaccines.
the levels of mercury and/or aluminum in those shots is negligible; if you are metabolically sound and have functioning kidneys you can clear them out easily
mercury and aluminum are insidious toxins - usually, in order to suffer any real ill effects, you have to be exposed to way more than you’ll ever get from a vaccine, and over a much longer period of time
(for example, the kid probably gets more aluminum from Mom cooking acidic shit in her “non-stick” frying pan with the coating worn off, because it’s continuously-ingested; use cast iron, folks)
the big problem with vaccination is that there are a lot of mysteries in the immune system, and poking it with a stick can trigger random and unpleasant responses, especially when you’re doing it with “new biology experiment” kinds of shit like mRNA (essentially an artificial virus with durability buffs that gets injected directly into your muscle tissue and/or bloodstream)
and the problem with that is that once your immune system trains itself to do something stupid, getting it to forget to do that stupid thing is sometimes not possible and its effects are unknowable in advance
it can make sense when you’re cutting firebreaks to prevent transmission of disease, or when you’re going somewhere where you’re statistically guaranteed to contract it; in that case, the juice is definitely worth the squeeze
but if you live in White Man’s Land and don’t have plague-carriers hacking random viruses in your face (because they have been deported back to their shitholes and barred from future entry, along with their anchor-niños), then the juice is NOT worth the squeeze and the risk profile shifts to “wait until there’s an actual need for it”, because there is no such thing as a medical intervention that is risk-free, no matter how many IFLS! redditor midwits bleat “SAFE AND EFFECTIVE” and “HERD IMMUNITY” in unison
I never vaccinated my autistic son & folks can pick on me being over 30, but I had healthier, smarter kids AFTER him (also, fun fact: woman have finite eggs, yes, but men have more genetic mutations occur beyond 30 than we do before we're just totally cooked by our early 40's, lol).
What I did do was strongly chelate metals before I found out I was pregnant 😕 He (& myself) were also loaded with strep... now linked to neuro problems in childhood.
I know where you're coming from in general, but I don't think the mercury/aluminum issue is "tard bait." We're just not going to agree on that.
"Reminder: people used to drink mercury."
Wtf kind of argument is that? People also used to have holes drilled in their heads to "release the evil spirits."
"Half of our food is cooked in aluminum... "
Gee, maybe there's a reason that Alzheimer's and dementia are at epidemic levels.
" ...and people have even been injected with legendary doses of plutonium and died thirty years later of a heart attack in old age."
My grandfather drank prodigious amounts of whiskey and smoked 2-3 packs of cigs a day and still lived to be 78. So fkn what?
"If the human body wasn’t capable of sequestering and clearing something as simple as a transition metal, in general, we would all be dead."
You are bypassing the fact that the largest and most effective part of the human immune system is the skin. You are not meant to have heavy metals injected past the skin and directly into the tissues where it quickly makes it into the bloodstream and travels throughout the body.
"We’re talking about the average human, and the problem with giving him those 27 shots is that it’s driving his immune system insane... "
That's something that I've considered and completely agree with. It's probably both that and the heavy metals combined screwing some kids up.
" ...not that he’s getting an amount of extra mercury as a one-shot that’s dwarfed by what he gets from his tuna-fish sandwiches on a regular basis."
Aside from the fact that tuna fish sandwiches are easily avoided and most kids don't like them anyway, I doubt that the amount of mercury in them is dwarfed by the amount in a vaccine, and besides, any toxin that you ingest via eating is mostly eliminated in the feces and urine and therefore has a far less negative impact on the body versus a toxin directly injected into the tissues.
There's nothing "insane" about what I said, and I've heard everything you said many times before. Many other people have lectured me about these same things that I've already researched and studied myself.
After looking into it myself, I've got doubts. For one thing, some people genetically don't process heavy metals very well and it ends up in the various tissues of the body where it can do neurological damage, even brain damage.
And second, the average American child receives 24-27 vaccines by age 2. That seems like an awful lot at such a tender young age when the child is still basically a baby with a very small body mass. I don't think the cumulative effect of giving such a small child so many vaccines over such a short period of time is being properly taken into account.
@zeke@HatkeshiatorTND@Humpleupagus@Suiseiseki@GoyGirl@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Robert_Edwardly@technolyze what I’m saying is that “mercury is not the problem”, and in fact is tard-bait, meant to get people sperging out about irrelevant minutiae rather than focusing on the core fact that a vaccine is a medical intervention of nonzero risk that does not make global sense, but rather only in certain sets of circumstances which don’t necessarily obtain in First World countries for all people and in all times and places
reminder: people used to drink mercury (and it accumulates in a lot of other places too), half of our food is cooked in aluminum, and people have even been injected with legendary doses of plutonium and died…. thirty years later, of a heart attack, in old age
if the human body wasn’t capable of sequestering and clearing something as simple as a transition metal at those low levels, in general, we would all be dead
yes I’m sure you can find a kid with tragically fucked kidneys or some kind of weird neural-metabolism genetic defect who accumulates mercury, maybe you could even find two or three, but
we’re talking about the average human, and
the problem with giving him those 27 shots is that it’s driving his immune system insane, not that he’s getting an amount of extra mercury as a one-shot that’s dwarfed by what he gets from his tuna-fish sandwiches on a regular basis
that’s all I’m saying
(note that I am not suggesting that you get your kid anything like those 27 shots, far from it, it’s just that the other reasons for refusing that are far more important and based in reality)
One huge factor overlooked are the downstream epigenetic effects of vaccination. It may well alter gene expression in subtle, difficult to measure ways, especially when the effects may be delayed by huge period of time and there are no controls. The bloating phenomena may be something that's all least visually perceptible.
I’ve noticed a definite correlation between “vaxxedness” and “allergicness”; seems like the more you’re vaxxed, the more allergic to random shit you are, which makes perfect sense - you’re intentionally triggering the immune system into a violent reaction, which is not an act of no future consequence, since (unlike niggers) the immune system remembers things for longer than fifteen seconds
epigenetics are weird enough that there might be something there, but I don’t know if you can pick that out of the noise floor once the giant blaring tuba of “plain old immune overreactions and their lifelong consequences” is removed from the soundtrack
but then, if it did that, then you’d get the same effects from an infection, I’d think (“pathogens have breached the gate! flip all the genetic switches, switch to Offense Mode and activate the Anti-Herpes Array!”)
this is all in the pile of “shit that’s not real well-understood”, certainly not by me, and I doubt by anybody in its entirety
regardless, my guess would be that once you subtracted all of the “plain immune overreaction” problems, anything from epigenetic changes would probably be small and also probably of little consequence
I don’t think I have that MTHFR thing, but one time I cleared up a long-standing brain fog by drinking a half tbsp of iodized salt in water. That was intense - like jumping 5 IQ points all at once
I don't know if it was caused BY my bad vaccine experience, or if it caused me to HAVE the bad experience, but I do know I have at least one MTHFR gene variation (maybe 2?). Aren't those thought to be epigenetic?
They're treated as nothing burgers by most allopathic medicine, but it's not really nothing you can't process shit they put in 1/2-2/3 of our food. And it really kinda hampers your ability to process & detox a lot of things seemingly.
Apparently, lung tissue contains high levels of choline. I assume when I'm low, I don't repair, hence the cough. I had it for a year before I figured it out. It comes back if I stop supplementing.
I take CDP choline (72 hour half life), alpha gpc, and phosphotydlcholine, plus I eat 8 eggs, daily. That's typically enough to give a normal person serious muscle cramps. It does nothing to me.
when it comes down to it, i aint' really fully against vaccines in general, the ultra orthodox kikes don't liek vaccines either but you see from time to time measels outbreaks running through their communities.
I just don't trust the medical kikes. The same people who want us racemixed, castrated ("trans"), and chemically lobotomized from SSRIs are also telling us they want to vaccinate us for our own good. If we had a system run by people dedicated to our welfare I would believe them a lot more.
By the 80's the rate of childhood deaths in the USA was already tiny, yet they massively increased the amount of vaccines. If you listened to the advocates, they'd credit the vaccines with lowering the death rates, when really it's quality of nutrition from refrigeration, increased hygiene from indoor plumbing and window screens, and lower stress on children from HVAC.
While I personally can’t practically verify any of those outside text on a screen, it’s plenty plausible; and anyone unwilling to consider the possibility strikes me as feigning certainty that I don’t believe is well founded.
Meh. Measles was trending down greatly in its mortality rate when they did ye old vax. Mumps kills under 1 in 10,000. Polio had even peaked & has weird controversy/overlap as to what even made it virulent in some (no one else in my stepdad's family of four kids caught polio from his brother... many such cases). They mostly just wanted to save shitskins 😩
well i dont' disagree, that's why i didn't take the covid vax ever, that being said some vaccines were invetned in ages past because epidemics of disease killed a lot of people and they wanted to eradicate said disease.
Never forget that the modern theory of mental disease was literally born out of institutions and prisons used to retrain vagrants and poors to labor in a new industrial economy. It was all about getting people to work, some didn't, so they categorized the "symptoms" and looked for "cures."
He also got the women smoking freedom sticks in the 1920s. Women are so gullible. There was also an marking group that convinced women to shave everything so they could make lots of money
I feel this way allll the tiiiime... it's something in my higher-than-average female IQ, but still hunter-gatherer nature... I must know everything about every option before it comes in the cave & frightfully daunting.
I've got a decent chance of never developing shingles in the first place, and if I do at some point, I'll tough it out like so many other things and be fine afterwards. Keep vaxing up, especially your flu shots, and enjoy your Early Onset Alzheimer's.
stress can possibly weaken your immune system leading to an outbreak but heres the thing, the chickenpox virus aka some herpes simplex, I forget which one, is with you for life. it lives in your nerves. the prevailing theory at the moment as to why people are having it break out earlier and earlier in life like I did, is that the chicken pox vaccine become widespread in the mid 90s, leading to less people actually having it. if you aren't exposed to it via the plague bearers known as children, your body gradually produces less and less antibodies for it which eventually leads to an outbreak of shingles.
I got shingles when I was 30. Thankfully I realized what it was right away and got that herepes antiviral shit cause my grandpa had it and knew what to look for. Still sucked but got to it early enough that I could mitigate the worst of the symptoms.
My great-grandpa (the town machinist one) occasionally had shingles flare-ups, all along a side (don’t remember left or right). I never saw it, but I heard about it - and it’s where I learned prolonged stress and misery were triggers for it. Pretty sure the devil invented it as a way to get people mad at God for creating them - like from the Book of Job.
Just got over having shingles. Zero stars, would not recommend. The pain was considerable, lasted several weeks. The pain finally faded, mostly, but now I have nerve damage to a few places on my face and head. The top-center of my lip is numb. So is a spot on the roof of my mouth behind my front teeth. That makes eating ... interesting. The left side of my nose is numb. This makes it feel like I often need to blow my nose, even though nothing is there. There's a spot a bit lower and to the left of the outside corner of my left eye. It's still kind of tender, and at the same time I often feel like there is a hair or something tickling it. I often catch myself rubbing it and my nose. All this combined makes sleeping strange, fitful, and I keep having weird dreams.
I didn't get the clot shot. But after all this bullshit, yeah, I'm getting the shingles shot next year.
When I went to law school, the school required two doses of the MMR, only one was required when I was a child. Fortunately, at that time, they allowed an antibody test in lieu, which I passed.
There is evidence for that, yes. Basically, having kids & grandkids, etc, with c. pox was a periodic "booster" to avoid shingles.
The vax campaign to end c.p. means no more of that immune-boosting for adults, hence more/earlier outbreaks. Good lead into a shingles shot, too, aye? 🙄
Yeah, don't think the two-dose thing started until at least '88 or '89?
They had a sizable outbreak then & blamed, or thought, it was the one-shot. IF that's true, means most everyone over 40ish has potential lost or waned measles immunity, anyhow.
I always have titers for rubella when tested in pregnancy, but not sure if I had one or two shots...