@Someguy Evangelicals are the reason I left the church for a very long time and that journey led me to Orthodoxy. Which by the way has been spearheading the fight against Islam for some centuries now. @Roscoe
@Roscoe@Someguy Once when I was a lad my church had a revival with some well meaning white folks.
A boomer confided in 13 year old me that he had sold everything he owned to go minister to people in Detroit. My buddy and I traded looks knowing what that meant.
Even then I had a gut feeling that was a stupid thing to do. Especially considering this old man was standing squarely in the middle of a poor white area.
I don't understand the urge to "help" retarded niggers across the world while your kinsman down the street suffer.
@pepsi_man@Roscoe the whole thing is backwards. We should look down on weakness and stupidity foster the strong and intelligent with competition. That is what is moral and best for society. Christian slave morailtythe problem.
@Someguy@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Roscoe@pepsi_man This is actually an issue that America and The Western Hemisphere has badly. I guess Greece too with all of the Turkish stuff. I don't like that people (not you) take this to absurdity. The 100% PVRE BAVARIAN PHENOTYPE meme is funny because it's really like that. How would one even do a modern /our guy/ version of Nuremberg Laws?
@Someguy@Roscoe@pepsi_man What people do you think I’m talking about, exactly ? It’s not exactly complicated for a self-determined White population to displace brownoids, for whatever reasons we deem worthwhile.
@Someguy@BowsacNoodle@Roscoe@pepsi_man I regard these as political concerns first and foremost; not religious. There’s of course some overlap in the domains; but Church is supposed to be timeless and eternal. State is the proper domain for temporal issues.
@Someguy@Roscoe@KingOfWhiteAmerica@pepsi_man We had societal norms that valued Whiteness in America from Christians without making it a religion. We can and will do it again without making it a religion.
@Someguy@Roscoe@BowsacNoodle@pepsi_man I get that’s a clear and present problem with much that calls itself “Christianity” in today’s world; I believe however those are deviations from the original pattern. Every member of every Church, must necessarily be a loyal subject of whatever kingdom or state he finds himself in, or else a respectful guest of the host, for a while, in accordance with the Law of the lands he finds himself in. The State must serve the political interest of its subjects; else it’s become evil. Similarly, every Church must serve the spiritual interests of her communicants and catechumens, or else she has turned evil. Obviously, history is rife with counterexamples; this does not obviate the need for either’s existence.
@Someguy@Roscoe@KingOfWhiteAmerica@pepsi_man It doesn't have to be a religion. Value systems are not uniquely the property of religion; if they were, Western hedonism wouldn't liberalize everyone of every religion that immigrates here. If you're a White European of high intelligence that ends up within our sphere, there's a good chance you'll look for the same. Assortive mating is a thing after all. Even libtards understand the desire to have a kid and grandkid that looks like you (if they're honest).
@BowsacNoodle@Roscoe@KingOfWhiteAmerica@pepsi_man you don't need to make it a law, you don't need to turner diaries all of greece. Just pick whiter mates. It's not like brown people are that bad there just less intelligent. You just need a religion that values genetics. That's why I am so stringent about this
@BowsacNoodle@Someguy@Roscoe@pepsi_man The most ancient Kingdoms of the world, indeed, very often fused what would become Church and State, into a single Priest-King; and this age-old form found its Completion in the Traditional Kingdoms; wherein every King was a devout Communicant under spititual authority of a Bishop; and every Bishop was himself a loyal subject of the Crown. Thus, Symphonia - the most stable ruling arrangement in known history.
@BowsacNoodle@Someguy@Roscoe@pepsi_man This form of Separation of Church and State (Symphonia) actually makes sense, to me. The early American model may have been more reasonable, than it is now; but for the forced Union under Lincoln - which killed the original founders’ vision entirely. So the system we’re presently under, in the US, is more akin to a corporate oligarchy, ruling vis-a-vis anarcho-tyranny. The incompetence is the malice. Not any sort of improvement over Tradition.
@Someguy@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Zardoz@Roscoe@pepsi_man The RATE project made a rather accurate prediction using helium isotopes rather than carbon and found it to match closer to young earth creation models. You may disagree with their findings, but they did address flaws (unproven and unchallenged assumptions) in radiocarbon dating. Theres something to be said about the compounding of knowledge and standing on the shoulders of giants, but there's also the chance that some of the ideas they take as given aren't necessarily true. 2020 showed that pretty seriously.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Zardoz@Roscoe@pepsi_man see again this is minijewing because it's not a narrative. It's hard science. For whatever reason you people doubt carbon dating though it has been shown to be totally accurate and is based on totally solid science.
@Zardoz@Roscoe@KingOfWhiteAmerica@pepsi_man it proves it because not because of the dinos themselves but because life existed in such a radically altered form before man. The only mammals were equivalent to mice.
@Zardoz@Roscoe@KingOfWhiteAmerica@pepsi_man sure there is pressure but there are still obvious facts. Dinos are relevant they prove evolution. That's why the Christians hate it
All knowledge is ferociously gate-kept by institutional hierarchies. we do not live within a free market of ideas. Scientists are mostly cowards beholden to their institutions. Covid proved this.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Roscoe@pepsi_man I am surprised people don't use this argument more often. There was a dinosaur age without men. Therefore massive evolution had to have occurred. You have to deny fossils carbon dating full blown conspiracy anti science to believe in christ
@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Roscoe@pepsi_man you idiots only believe it because you have to. The evidence of a dinosaur age is crushing. It's not one little piece it's mountains. It's not one scientist It's every scientist
@Someguy@Roscoe@pepsi_man You’re overstating the case, IMO. I understand the prevailing narrative quite well, having grown up with it, with a government scientist for a father. I was a believer in that for most of my life, but rejected it as soon as I realized I could because it’s manufactured consent, pretending a very great deal of certainty that simply isn’t actually there in the data, unless you already believe it.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Roscoe@pepsi_man God that was a real jew answer. Maybe you didn't know what I meant genuinely. I meant the accepted biological history of the earth as true. That is other animals pre dated man meaning they must have become men
@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Roscoe@pepsi_man I guess you believe in evolution? I dunno Christians are liars so. But if you do, domestication works against evolution because you no longer need to be self reliant you no longer need to find a mate and in fact we want you to be fat and docile.
If nothing is ”natural” in farming, you may as well say ”everything” is natural, as it’s a meaningless category. By “natural breeding” I mean the usual plant husbandry - not GMO.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Roscoe@pepsi_man domestication is a real thing. Sometimes you can kill the survival instinct if you are able to artificially bring it about
@Someguy@Roscoe@pepsi_man As far as I’m concerned, Race exists - even if it’s a fuzzy category; what’s primarily important about it though is two-fold, of equal significance: 1) recessive phenotypes, and 2) cultural interfacing from which a third consideration is essential to account for; 3) regression to the mean. Prior to the discovery of DNA, eugenics relied upon observational heuristics, to maximize favorable outcomes. Thus, surprises could and did occur. And while genetics is and remains a probabilistic science, even given genomic sequencing, awareness of the underlying code opens the door to far more meaningful metrics.
@Someguy@Roscoe@pepsi_man Frank Herbert wrote up an excellent thought experiment, in the Dune series; comparing and contrasting eugenics programs from conflicting philosophies. 1) Bene Gesserit; understand DNA, but rely upon natural breeding to attain desired results, and 2) Bene Tlielaxu; who rely upon direct genetic modification according to their agenda. As far as I know, he was the first to put this dialectic into a fictional narrative. It’s insightful and thought-provoking, and such a consideration holds great relevance in today’s milieu.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Roscoe@pepsi_man like take my kid on this pic. She has blond hair and blue eyes. But I guarantee you she has some very small part Semitic or nigger DNA. There's no hard line. You have to press to get more
@Someguy@KingOfWhiteAmerica@Zardoz@Roscoe@pepsi_man Hey I think you guys are talking past each other. Carbon dating is one thing (concentration of c-14 isotope) but that's where the hard science ends. What that MEANS is where narrative or hypothesis come in. Of course King knows how the mainstream scientific hypothesis interprets that, but I think he doesn't agree and is thinking you'll recognize said hypothesis as narrative. If you haven't considered that (why would you— most people don't have a reason to) it's worth thinking on. There are other things besides absolute age, such as cataclysmic activity (e.g. the deluge / floods written about in most cultures).
@jeffcliff@Zardoz@Roscoe@Someguy@KingOfWhiteAmerica@pepsi_man That's nice that you think that. A small group of people working on serious alt hypothesis rather than "banana fit in man band therefore God" is a nice improvement, even if they didn't get results that satisfied you. Although you strike me as the kind of guy who wouldn't believe in God even if He personally spoke to you while you witnessed multiple miracles.
@BowsacNoodle@Someguy@Zardoz@Roscoe@pepsi_man Oh man, truth be told, I don’t honestly understand why anyone would take radioactive decay that seriously - that we’d rely upon it to estimate the “age of the universe“. The idea these are “blind and unchanging forces over billions of years” is a pretty big “if” for something directly influenced by whether you’re paying attention or not.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Zardoz@Roscoe@Someguy@KingOfWhiteAmerica@pepsi_man Also not directed at jeff, but I find it amusing how self-proclaimed white nationalists would wax poetic about "racial collectivism" but then turn around and encourage social Darwinism which encourages radical individualism