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@BowsacNoodle @neofugue The two lungs bit is usually said in the context of ecumenism (AFAIK anyway) which I must say I don’t agree with
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@BowsacNoodle @neofugue Two lungs I’m wary of, but I think logic and reason plays an important role in any faith
This isn’t to invalidate any sort of mystical experience, but logic and reason IMHO is needed as a sort of “counter-balance” of sorts. Relying solely on experience (it is important to remember that I don’t think Orthodoxy does this, btw) is a recipe for disaster and invites the most extreme subjectivism.
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@neofugue Energies is merely talking about presence or manifestation of God’s essence. This already means this does not touch upon God “internally” (to use a metaphor) at all. The usage of the exemplar argument by even Jay Dyer of all people supports this. Claiming that this contradicts the fact that God is without differentiated parts is irrelevant because they’re both touching on two different points in the first place. And if anything, the fact that God ”internally” is entirely simple also tells us why God must be known through energies, or presence, or manifestation.
Also, Jay Dyer’s coherentism is ultimately wrong. It makes reason self-referential. So telling me “in this system this works” is not going to convince me. It basically means “accept any system as long as it internally coheres”. Saying that only Orthodoxy offers a fully coherent system is an entirely ad hoc sleight of hand to mask the fact that in principle, coherentism means any system can be chosen as long as it internally coheres.
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@neofugue Not sure where to post this, but I thought you should know this.
I’ve very recently purchased Seraphim Rose’s book on St Augustine. While it is true he is most known for his piety, the sources that Fr. Seraphim uses show that he is also an Orthodox theologian of high authority - in the Fifth Ecumenical Council he is considered a theologian of first rank, commanding the same respect as Gregory the Theologian. The sources that Fr. Seraphim used suggest that Augustine‘s “errors“ for the most part aren’t really errors, but exaggerations due to Augustine living in a specific time and space. People tend to forget that Augustine was at that time combatting the Pelagians.
And on the question of “absolute“ divine simplicity - another reason for thinking that ADS is no different from DS if Augustine is claimed to teach ADS is that what he said about God’s attributes in the sense that they are internal is a logical conclusion from DS. This means: “to the extent that God has any ’internal attributes’, they must be the same as His essence.” This is exactly what must be said if it is admitted that God is not made of differentiated parts. What has no differentiated parts must be self-same so everything within Him, if there is anything at all, must be the same as each other.
This also has other implications. If God is simple, God in Himself can have no name, which automatically means any name of God must apply to the “things around God”. God cannot be knowable by the natural activities of creatures, for creatures are complex and thus their activities are also complex and not simple like God.
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@bigbologna You didn’t hit anything. If anything, I’m having fun making you look like an idiot.
Very telling you didn’t post this response directly to any of my comments. Curious why that is. It’s almost as if you’re afraid people will find out that you’re lying.
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@bigbologna I was following what was being said and have concluded that you are the one entirely at fault, you were the one consistently strawmanning him
Did you really expect others to not check what has been said?
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@bigbologna >he posted nonsense
I understood perfectly what @BowsacNoodle wrote. I understand that atheists tend to be relativists, but come on, have some sense of shame. Just because you don’t understand something due to your stupidity and being over-emotional doesn’t mean something is unintelligible in itself.
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@bigbologna On a more serious note: being genetically an Israelite is insufficient. Anyone who has seriously read the Old Testament (which you clearly haven’t done) will know that idol-worship is basically a favourite past-time of even the biblical Israelites.
@BowsacNoodle you seem more well-read on this so correct me if I’m wrong.
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@bigbologna Dispensationalist moment
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@BowsacNoodle @bigbologna He also confuses biblical Israelites with modern Israelites and implicitly thinks birth is a sufficient condition, I’m not sure if talking to him is a productive use of your time
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@EvolLove @griffith @BowsacNoodle @7073M @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired >jews changing the definition of socialism
IMHO this is less a deliberate changing of definitions and more a fundamental divergence in the understanding of what a community is
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@BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @7073M @EvolLove Also, its not that National Socialist Germany had shit policy, its more that eventually, one will have to go beyond politics
Going beyond politics also has something to do with tearing down the foundations of modernity, of which Lockean libertarianism is a central component
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@BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @7073M @EvolLove I mostly have an intense hatred for materialism and everything related to it
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@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @BowsacNoodle @7073M @EvolLove Just observing the behaviour and opinions of modern National Socialists tells me that at the very least National Socialism is inadequate so I don’t really care if National Socialism isn’t actually Christian, its not like its the One True Way or whatever
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@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @BowsacNoodle @7073M @EvolLove Just looking at the thumbnail tells me the video’s author is a generally uninformed retard that is hard to take seriously
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@BowsacNoodle @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @Someguy @DarkGura @Escoffier I do know that understanding God as infinite existence or esse is not exactly unique
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@Someguy @BowsacNoodle @DarkGura @Escoffier “Pagan“ is so broad a term as to be entirely useless here, also an atheist state would merely exacerbate current problems
Materialism is linked to relativism so an atheist can bid goodbye to any sort of objective moral good that the human mind can be directed towards
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@BowsacNoodle @Someguy @DarkGura @Escoffier That doesn't make any sense at least to me, but then again materialists are retarded so getting them to make sense is a bit of a tall order
"My ontology cannot explain basic phenomena like self-awareness but I'll hold on to it because reasons!"
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@demonofustio @BowsacNoodle @Someguy @DarkGura @Escoffier Seeing that Gaddafi is on the cover, I'm guessing Hitler here is portrayed as one of the heroes against the evil
I remember reading that book and I'm pretty sure Gaddafi is spoken about very positively
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@BowsacNoodle @Someguy @DarkGura @Escoffier Materialism is also generally retarded, in general anyone who is an unironic materialist is merely saying "my thoughts don't go beyond the superficial"
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