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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:40:14 JST 
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It's 2025 and people are still pushing "globalist" conspiracy nonsense instead of just claiming its jews because they are devils. Shakespeare made a play about it guys. - BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:40:10 JST 
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum It's over for dispensationalismcels. -
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:40:11 JST 
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Exactly
"It's just a good moral foundation. But we don't have to do sacrifices anymore."
"We" don't? The law was given only to the Israelites. You were adament that we weren't Isr--fuck it, I'm out. lol -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:40:11 JST
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Moses was a jew. Moses was given the 10 commandments to give to the jew. Checkmate christians -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:40:12 JST
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>The law is over
Then why do you follow the 10 commandmentsBowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:40:13 JST
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It's 2025, and people's grasp of Christianity is "Jesus is more merciful than His Father, the OT--and we should follow the different, modern morality of the NT." -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:40:13 JST
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I can't even bother with that anymore it's so demoralizing. I'm sorry God but I am not your strongest warrior. Watching Trump be as gay as I told people he would be isn't any consolation.
I was thinking about Q recently and the only thing that makes sense is it was one of "our guys" trying to handholding normies to the JQ and they were to subtle because normies are fucking retarded.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:40:13 JST
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I had a second piece that I took out before sending the one above--just a sigh about how the irl conservatives I know who still say "globalists" and who are wojak facing over Trump are also the ones that have been the most fervent that "Well, yeah, that's in the OT, but... ", "The Church is Israel now. Remember the law is over", and simultaneously "We have to protect the Jews, His precious people. Hate is sinful."
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:42:28 JST
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@Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon Dispensationalism is Christian gnosticism. It's a spectrum :autism: from (not great) to (heresy). -
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mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:44:57 JST 
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"Shakespeare made a play about it guys."
play and movie title: The Merchant of Venice
Published: 2004
Directed by: Michael Radford
Starring: Al Pacino as Shylock and Jeremy Irons as Antonio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su0-zDsppTU
movie: https://zorvixwave32.xyz/file1/IXzX5OEL8xaLxDFihgPpAqHALHpHK9ZQqhyEDIzjvTAVNJcnMc4LOYm3o~QdSi5wD3RbMOiHg0fbfGMUyaHSHw19beSJVsgcil+uVrQzz7YEPG5qO0FcBoZTCU5elzs8wS~uDRRG~ibYLctEGd3+Dcjwgi+lPig9Zxm8Lwb~8nc=/cGxheWxpc3QubTN1OA==.m3u8 -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:45:35 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum >it was revealed to me in a dream
said a teenage girl, who inspired a few people including Scofield. Jews loved the idea and bankrolled his ((( Scofield Reference Bible ))). Seriously 😑. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:45:36 JST
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I don't even understand the mental gymnastics it took to come up with 'dispensations" BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:48:16 JST 
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PRAISE JEEBUS! God's chosen, Trump is gonna protect God's Chosen people because clearly He can't do it Himself! BRING OUT THE RED HEIFER! -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:48:16 JST
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@Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon >We have to help the Synagogue of Satan bring about the antichrist because that will force God's hand just like He always suggests we don't try to do!
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:48:17 JST
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Bro, no, this is the era of dispensations, okay? Trump is proof, okay? It's like a pendulum.
There's a dispensation for elections, and God is telling us through His Orange Trumpet. He's warning us to protect Jews. He has a plan. -
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Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:48:56 JST
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Scofield has a lot to do with the problems prots face today, it was like a cancer. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:50:26 JST
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god damit
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:50:27 JST
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The director of this movie is a jew who changed a lot of the antisemitisms. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:51:03 JST
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@Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon It's true. It's a shame.
>Even the elect will be deceived
"Obviously that verse is about Methodists, not me and my church! Come on, let's go raise more money for Israel!" -
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Wrath (eiswald@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:52:46 JST 
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@BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon We talking about evangelicals up in here? lol -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:52:46 JST
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@Eiswald @Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon Only the dispensationalismcels. They gotta get off their dual covenant stuff. It's terrible. -
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mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:52:53 JST
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The Merchant of Venice Movie Adaptations
1923 - Director: Peter Paul Felner
1969 - Director: Orson Welles
2004 - Director: Michael Radfordhttps://www.perplexity.ai/search/did-shakespeare-make-a-play-ab-uAA7sd8DTIu_4ifigbvNHQ
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:57:15 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant As I've been reading through the OT, there's a lot of examples of things they shall not do lest they be cast out and cutoff. I am going to stress those verses to my dispensationalist friends. Goldfish memory though. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:57:16 JST
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Morning ruined.
But curious you call them the synagogue of satan, yet think they are the children of Jacob :HazeSmug: -
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Wrath (eiswald@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:57:32 JST
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@BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon Oh yeah. There are at least three 'Christian' denominations (all protestant) trying to help kikes bring about their doomsday prophecy. I just lump any Shabbos group together as death cultists. They're cultists plain and simple. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:57:32 JST
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Then there are the catholics helping the jews racially replace us BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 20:58:12 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Eiswald (sad E Michael Jones noises) -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:00:56 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Eiswald -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:04:10 JST
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>the bolsheviks are neo-con!
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:04:10 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Eiswald The last verse is pretty 🔥. -
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Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:04:41 JST
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It's like anything else one tries to discuss. Be it history or theology or whatever, the moment you start making them "uncomfortable" or as I was told yesterday explaining the mathematics of the holohoax to the guys in the shop "to much math" they disengage and walk away. You can't reach them. BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:06:34 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant and Daniel 12...and Isaiah 2... Just... They're God's chosen people, okay!?!? :crying_soyjak: -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:06:35 JST
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Sir, I'm a NT christian. All I need is the out of context words of Jesus. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:08:12 JST
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@Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon >they joked about replacing it with a swastika.
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Omega Variant (omega_variant@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:08:13 JST
Omega Variant
It would go over their head, both of them are atheist and they are always complaining about muh Republicans. The whole conversation got started when some guy flying a giant Trump flag pulled around and they joked about replacing it with a swastika.
From the sound of it I am about the only Christian in that shop so it's like beating my head against a brick wall. It's fun making them uncomfortable though. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:08:14 JST
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Just tell him
>Hey did you hear Trump is deporting 5000 illegals a month to camps?
>at this rate it will take 24 years to only get 6 million of them in those things! -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:09:24 JST
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>we can't deport people it will take too long!
Well Hitler did it in 22 months going door to door looking under floorboards. It can't be that hard. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:09:24 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant You are harboring beans under your floorboards, are you not? -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:15:10 JST
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I'm so sick of people conflating jews and israelites. Nowhere in the bible is this done. :tiresome: -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:15:10 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant If you can find a way to explain this stuff to them that doesn't come across as pic related wall text, please let me know. I will do the same. In the mean time, I just tell them to read Romans. The first half is basically explaining that dispensationalism is retarded without saying as much. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Jan-2025 21:43:43 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant relating my prior post to your comment more explicitly...
>curious you call them the synagogue of satan, yet think they are the children of Jacob
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 00:38:08 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant Relevant smuggies. I feel obligated to mention that race or ethnicity does not disqualify anyone from the grace of God and Christ's sacrifice, even if certain people are more resistant or have more predisposition to soul-damaging natural inclinations. Even the Canaanite woman who Christ called a dog was awarded a miracle because of her faith -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 00:38:09 JST
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That sounds like a lot of work :gigachad1:
But seriously good for you. It's rpughbwork converting minds. Ive veen beating on familynfornyesrs and they fight it, even when they agree, because they knew a jice nigger or whatever.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 00:38:10 JST
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Make it about Jesus and they care more. They don't care about God or Truth. They care about Jesus ("How do I get to heaven? How do I get mine?")
----actual method, I use----
What works (*more* frequently, but not *frequently* 💀 ) is, funnily, drawing a map.
I draw the OT kingdom. I call it His Bride, as He does in the OT. I explain the law is a marriage vow. I draw a split in that kingdom, into two kingdoms and call them Ephraim and Judah (after the largest tribe of each), or Samaria and Jerusalem (after their capitals). I mention "like the Good Samaritan" so that their eyes light up with a nodding recognition and they're back in Sunday school somewhere.
I ask them where the Jews are.
Here, you correct them.
"Texans are to Americans what Jews are to Israelites--*at that time*."
I erase Ephraim, while talking about Assyrians.
I erase most of Judah, talking about Babylonians.
I talk about the scattered sheep, how "I will scatter the seed of Israel among man"--and that God had said He Himself will come and be the good shepherd for His scattered sheep. I ask them what Jesus called Himself. (Gotta refer to Jesus again or they get weary of your OT voodoo.)
I then explain 'Israelite' versus 'Jew' to them in terms of race and State. "If a White Irishman leaves Ireland, is he no longer White? Of course he remains White. If a Congo bushman gains Irish citizenship--becoming an "Irish" citizen--is he White now?" (You have to point at the analogous Kindgom of Israel map for the revelance of these to click.)
I talk about 'natal' and 'nation.'
I do the same game then with one of the midwest States and native tribes. "Is someone in Iowa/Illinois/Kentucky/Missouri an Indian? No. They're White, huh? Or black. Asian. We call them all by an Indain name now though--even though *none* of them are Indian? How did that happen?"
I tell them Nehemiah, Ezra, and Malachi especially harp on this distinction. (They don't know who those are. 😔)
I then tell them the difference between Christ telling Pharisees "You are not My sheep, therefore you do not hear Me," which He did say, versus "You do not hear Me, therefore you are not My sheep."
"I have come only for the lost sheep of Israel." I ask them, "If the Pharisees were Israelites who just didn't follow Him, wouldn't that be just a *lost* sheep? Yet he says they are *not even His sheep*. Who are the sheep again?"
If they can be pushed positively on race, I add "And He talks about dividing *nations* into sheep nations and goat nations. And Abraham was promised that his seed would become many nations. When did that ever happen? And God said He'd scatter the seed of Israel...
Where did that seed go? Why is Jesus called a light for *revelation of the nations*? And where did He send His apostle Paul?--the apostle *of the nations*?"
If they are very attentive, I go into how Christ dying saved Israelites, how that released the OT Bride (all of Israel--whether scattered or near--not just the remnant in the land sharing a citizenship with non-sheep) who would be sentenced to die according to the law. (I show them Paul explaining this using the exact same 'husband', 'bride', 'vow' terms in Romans. Death of the husband releases the unfaithful bride.)
From the Bride, you can go into Revelation (the Bride taken to the wilderness and the Whore found in the wilderness). They care again there (because Revelation = NT = Jesus, away from your voodoo OT).
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 00:49:39 JST
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This all sounds like it's through birthright. And everlasting.
>4 “Behold, my covenant is with you, and you shall be the father of a multitude of nations. 5 No longer shall your name be Abram,[b] but your name shall be Abraham;[c] for I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come forth from you. 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. 8 And I will give to you, and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their GodBowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 00:49:39 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant >Behold, my covenant is with you, and you shall be the father of a multitude of nations.
Spiritual father by faith.
Romans 4:16
>Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may rest on grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
I know you will likely bring up the point of who Paul is addressing here— Romans. I will repeat what I said in another comment that even the Canaanite woman who Christ called a dog was granted a miracle because of her faith. I do not believe that was purely for illustrative purposes, as more than enough miracles had already been accomplished to show that Christ acknowledged faith, including the Centurion who stated he was not worthy for Christ to come under his roof. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 00:52:18 JST
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@Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant I enjoy the occasional eschatological spar we get into, @Xenophon . I hope you do as well and hope others are not harmed by seeing it as "Christians fighting". -
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Ash Kvetchum (ash_kvetchum@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:24:38 JST
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I'm a-writin' to yer other comment, on the other branch
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:43:21 JST
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant Both interpretations are valid— material and spiritual. Abraham became a father to many nations, literally. Far more than just those of Jacob's descendants, as we know. Ishmael received a blessing and promise. Esau received a blessing and promise. Both are Abraham's seed.
>It doesn't say spiritual father.
Common eschatological understanding suggests it does. Ellicott's commentary on the matter explains it as well, although this is less detailed than his OT commentary. Including Romans 4:16 and 4:17 because of context. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:43:22 JST
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I don't know how you can read those words and come to the conclusions you do. It doesn't say spiritual father. You are being willfully ignorant.
YLT
>7 `And I have established My covenant between Me and thee, and thy seed after thee, to their generations, for a covenant age-during, to become God to thee, and to thy seed after thee;
Seed is not spiritual. God isn't a deceptive jew. He didn't Truck Abraham. Abraham believed God was talking about his biological children, because Abraham was "fruitless" at this point, since the only legitimate heir can come from Sarah.
And doing a favor in this fleshly life for a dog (the canaanite woman) doesn't mean she gets to have eternal life. But that's another argument I don't want to have. I'm sure Ash will 😆 -
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Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:45:13 JST 
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You seem to be trying to deescalate this conversation before it gets heated.
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:45:13 JST
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon Uncle Ruckus ascension. mp4
I will not get heared over this topic. As I said in another post, this is fun to me. If it bothers others, they can mute the convo. -
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Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:47:38 JST
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You guys are no fun. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:48:01 JST
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon I like to have fun. I'm a mushroom of a man— a fun guy if you will. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:50:14 JST
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon The best kinda are the ones used for eating. I suppose the medicinal kind are good too but IDK, I'm not a mycologist. -
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Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:50:15 JST
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I like mushrooms
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Chairman O (chairmano15@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:50:26 JST 
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22 months rounding up 6 million jews with 1940s tech.
With current tech we should be able too in only a few weeks.
Go to any Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace Hardware and Harbor Freight and you'll clear at least 75% of illegals.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:52:31 JST
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon Yeah but the kind of women going to the fungus doctor for their vaginas are probably not the kind of women whose vaginas you wanna look at. -
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Deplorable Degenerate (deplorable_degenerate@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 01:52:32 JST
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You could be, it pays well and you get to look at women's vaginas. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 02:15:50 JST
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@Xenophon @Deplorable_Degenerate @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant >But curious you call them the synagogue of satan, yet think they are the children of Jacob :HazeSmug:
Unless that was addressed to the presumed in-character dispensationalist. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 02:15:51 JST
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I didn't start anything with bait. The post wasn't about this at all. Ash is the one to blame for that. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 02:16:41 JST
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>Both interpretations are valid
Okay commie
>Common eschatological understanding suggest
don't care.
edit: yes this sounds dismissive, which it is, but it's nothing personal. It boils down to a simple choice. Do I take God at His word, or do I listen to the interpretations of men. Sure, you'll claim I'm just doing the same thing, making my own interpretation, but the reality is I'm not. If a word says "offspring" and you have to inform me that this word can mean something other than what I know this word to mean i.e.
>It means spiritual Xeno!
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant I suppose I am. Do you keep kosher then? Mixed fabrics? Circumcision? What points that Paul makes are literal vs metaphorical, or do you ignore Paul? -
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@WilhelmIII @Deplorable_Degenerate @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon go go gadget hot tub time machine?
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Aren't they all?
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@WilhelmIII @Deplorable_Degenerate @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon ackshually bleach doesn't work well at high temps, which is why hot tubs are loaded with it -
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Skill issue
Not enough bleach
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant >And yet they are still going to be saved because of the faith Abraham had in Yahweh when Yahweh made his covenants with Abraham
By what logic do you come to this? I am sure you've attempted to explain this to me before, but I don't remember.
>Modern eschatology makes light of extremely important and powerful events that took place for a specific reason, for a specific people.
I do agree with this. But I also believe it is possible to become autist tier obsessed with interpreting this in a very particular framework to where it is missing the larger points. Church fathers did not seem to share your views, and that's far from modern eschatology. I will grant that it's possible the ones who did were omitted from record or that I'm ignorant on things they've stated. Regardless, I do not need to rely on esoteric knowledge for faith or interpretation. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 02:44:56 JST
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Everything Paul did was attempting to explain OT prophecy to people who didn't understand it, or had never read it, because they didn't know it was about them. They were "lost sheep." It isn't complicated; we just make it that way.
But no, I do not follow the law, because the purpose of the law isn't to be followed, but to demonstrate that it cannot be followed. I've explained this to you before. a "jew" believes that anyone can be Godly by following the law, even though the law was never given to/meant for them. They believe this because they are the people it was never meant for. Paul explains that this is folly. You cannot just follow the law and be righteous, because no one can follow the law, whether an Israelite or non-Israelite. Which is why salvation is through faith. And the verse (or section of Romans) you quote explicitly says that the mercy is for the descendants of Abraham.
Abraham had many descendants who did not follow the law, or worship Yahweh. At least 80% if not more. And yet they are still going to be saved because of the faith Abraham had in Yahweh when Yahweh made his covenants with Abraham. If all it took to be "saved" was following the law, then there is no purpose in faith, and if faith can just be had by anyone, then what purpose are the promises. Modern eschatology makes light of extremely important and powerful events that took place for a specific reason, for a specific people.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant There are multiple times when Paul and others mention [all those who call upon the name of The Lord]. I suppose you'll reply with something that "that only applies to human beings" or something equally dismissive. -
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant >I don't understand the question. please expound
Are you stating that Abraham's offspring receives salvation purely from their birthright and without any obligation on their part?
I do not need to hear the jew vs Israelite distinction. I am fully capable of using the terms together and interchangeably because I know the scriptures (even if you disagree with my interpretation). We have a translational issue that has made the terms blended when they shouldn't be (possibly by malicious actors), but I'm not going to language police it when I know what the other party means. -
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>By what logic do you come to this? I am sure you've attempted to explain this to me before, but I don't remember.
I don't understand the question. please expound
>Church fathers did not seem to share your views
Which church fathers? And starting when? IMO what you need to do, which very few have ever done, is pretend you are there when these words were written and not assume these words are timelessly written for anyone who reads them. It's like John 3:16. These words were specifically spoken to Nicodemus (and written in present tense but i digress) about things that Nicodemus should understand. They weren't written to John Smith digging wells in Ghana in 2025, or some Jesuit piece of shit in the 1600s.
If you don't understand the foundation, how can you expect to come to the correct conclusions, except by luck? Church fathers couldn't understand the plain simple words. Take John 4 for example. The lady at the well is an Israelite based on the words written there, and yet I challenge you to find me a priest or pastor of any denomination that will teach this to you. To them, she isn't a "jew" and jew = Israelite, therefore she can't be an Israelite, which is the exact opposite of the discourse in the chapter. -
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[Part 1 of 3 (I am so sorry; I tried, and I hope you enjoy 🤣 ) ]
>Canaanite woman
Giving someone something that is nothing for you to do--in order to send that someone away--a someone who is pestering the people you are trying to be with--is not welcoming them in.
Notice the difference between how Christ treats the Roman centurion and the Canaanite woman. Both have someone away that needs healing (the centurion, a servant; the Canaanite, a daughter). Yet only one is told "It is not meet to give to the dogs what is meant for the children," while the other (the centurion) is praised instead.
The "what faith" is "what persistence"--of the Canaanite. It's not praise, but eyeroll exasperation.
>Why does birth matter?
You have a mom and a dad from whom you are descended by the flesh. You also are descended from them by the Spirit.
Adam was descended from God by the Spirit as God gave His Spirit to Adam.
Adam was descended from no one by the flesh.
Eve was taken of Adam, so that even she was descended from Adam by the flesh and from Adam by the Spirit (and thus from God by the Spirit).
The Tree of Life is this: Christ, being God, is by the Spirit the root. We are the branches, by the Spirit. The Spirit follows down the flesh, passed by the flesh. This is why God’s covenants are constantly “you and your descendants.”
*This tree* will be saved--which only means not thrown into the lake of fire. This is apart from reward or no reward. This is by grace—by definition, is not earned, cannot be earned.
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is that which angels cultivated by "not keeping their first estate" by "going after strange flesh."
The father of this would not be God.
This is the tree that will be cut down and thrown into the lake of fire and be no more.
"I will utter things kept secret since the foundations of the world" is what Christ said before giving the parable speaking of the tares sewn in that *the farmer did not sew*--the tares that would be cut down and are to be thrown into fire on a last day. Christ called the Edomite Pharisees "offspring of vipers", a "bad tree", etc. That imagery is not new imagery, but continuation—purposeful.
>Entertain for a moment the part you are likely to have the most contention with below. The oldest Gen 4:1 examples known differ wildly from one another--and the passages we still keep in every version regardless that immediately follow Gen 4:1 fail to list Cain as a descendant of Adam, instead giving Cain his own "and these are the descendants of Cain" passage, meanwhile saying Seth replaced Abel, rather than replacing Cain:
Cain was not of Adam. He was descended by the flesh by Adam because his mother, Eve, is of the flesh by Adam, but he is descended by spirit from his father, the serpent. This is the seed with whom we have had and will have enmity until the last day. (Entertain the concept, for the moment.)
And so Cain and his descendants, the Kenites, mixed with the Canaanites, who mixed with the Hittites. Esau mixed with the Hittites, and so on. This is the entirety of the distinction between God's different treatment between certain non-Israelites (those of Adam) and certain other non-Israelites (those not of Adam). Just following the genealogies traces the split between His commandments to the Israelites of how to treat others around them, and it's the distinction of Christ's treatment between the centurion and the Canaanite woman.
This is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, the tares, that continues to grow. God once sent a flood in the land after Adam's descendants kept mixing with even more angels, sparing only Noah "who was righteous and *perfect in his generations.* "BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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>A consideration that will tie in: How is Christ sinless? Yes, He is God, who is sinless--yet Christ was also born in the flesh, a literal Son of Man. We, descendants of Adam and Eve, are held as being in sin. Mary was descended of Adam, and Christ was descended of Mary. So, where’s a difference?
Start by saying Mary was not sinless. (Sorry Catholics.) Mary is descended from Adam by flesh and from God by Spirit (following the line up through Adam to God).
Christ, being born of Mary, is by flesh descended from Adam. (He put on our sin as a curse, as Scripture sometimes puts it.) Yet, Christ, being *without a father in the flesh*, is not descended by the Spirit from Adam. He is of God.
He is God.
Indeed, it is rather that Adam is descended from Him by the Spirit.
We can know that one's birth does matter as Christ states:
>Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God."
>Nicodemus saith unto him, "How is a man able to be born, being old? is he able into the womb of his mother a second time to enter, and to be born?"
>Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God; that which hath been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which hath been born of the Spirit is spirit. Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above; the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit."
Is being a descendant of Abraham the bit, the whole thing? No, flesh is just the water. The water is important however because the Spirit is passed by the flesh and will not mix with others. (We have one Father. If your mother's is descended from Adam (by mother and father) by the flesh and your father is descended from Adam by the flesh, then you are descended from God by the Spirit, in all directions. You have, by the Spirit, one Father.)
Esau's descendants were (and are today) descendants of Abraham by the flesh, yet we are told of God that "Esau I will hate forever." Esau mixed their flesh with the Hittites. His descendants are now bastards, no longer of Adam by the flesh and Christ by the Spirit, no longer clinging to the tree. The Spirit is not in them. (Note that this is true of Esau’s *descendants*. Esau himself will be saved.)
Malachi is about this, refuting "Are we not all God's children?" (Funnily, the Pharisees--Edomites, descendants of Esau--use this line as their defense against Christ.)
The Spirit will keep true. It will not follow flesh that breaks away from the tree. This is spiritually why race-mixing is sinful. It is blasphemy of the Spirit. The Spirit will not follow. Instead you get:
>"These are in your love-feasts craggy rocks; feasting together with you, without fear shepherding themselves; clouds without water, by winds carried about; trees autumnal, without fruit, twice dead, rooted up; wild waves of a sea, foaming out their own shames; stars going astray, to whom the gloom of the darkness to the age hath been kept." (Jude 1:12-13)AlabasterBrick ?☠️ likes this. -
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God's covenants follow lines, as His covenants are with His Spirit, which follows lines.
He is the root, and we are the branches. Christ is the mediator for our covenant. He is a priest "after the order of Melchizedek" (the "King Righteous"), which follows after this order: a living Man in the flesh, passing from the oldest by the Spirit to their oldest descendant by the Spirit. (Ostensibly, this would mean passing from father to eldest son—and jumping from a father who outlived their deceased eldest son to that son’s eldest son. Following this order would make Noah “the eighth preacher of righteousness”, as the NT calls him obscurely. This order of mediator would pass on and be lost (to us, by us)—and it doesn’t matter—because in that line is a Son of Man, in the flesh, who is also the root by the Spirit, the oldest descendant by the Spirit, one who will never die--a perfect mediator.)
>Continuing with "If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God."
Picture from Christ’s Revelation of what’s to come "His Bride, the city, the new Jerusalem.” There are twelve gates with the twelve tribes' names (one cannot enter the "city" unless through these). There is a single Tree within, bearing twelve kinds of fruit. From it flows a river.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit; a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
If God is faithful, then his promise that "All of Israel will be saved" is true. How can this happen, if accepting Christ is the barrier of entry? Were there and are there not fruits of the Tree that have dismissed him, that run toward vices, that even actively want to "End Whiteness", laughing about the end of this Tree?
Remember that Christ Himself dismisses that accepting Christ is the way of salvation. The *only* unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Spirit; one may even blaspheme the Son of Man, Christ Himself. (Yet Christ also is the way. How can these both be true? They are, and here's how.)
The conceptual issue people have when talking about this is that salvation =/= reward.
Salvation is simply and only not becoming "no more" once He returns to cast the "goats", "tares", "children of the wicked one", "the bad tree", "the works of the devil" into the lake of fire "to be no more."
This salvation is given by grace. One cannot earn it. Any idea that "If you believe/do [insert threshold], then I will give it to you" is *earning* it, by definition--just with a threshold moved. (And such takes are the reason questions like "Are babies saved?" arise, unnecessarily.) He is the root, and we are the branches. One must be born of water and the Spirit; what is flesh is flesh, what is Spirit is Spirit. The one follows the other. The Spirit follows the flesh. We are the temple. But we will die--we are a kernel, as Paul puts it. In the restoration / resurrection, we, those of God, those of the Spirit, will be given a new flesh (i.e. the flesh will follow the Spirit).
At that time, some of us, some of those of Adam, will awake to everlasting contempt--saved, but not rewarded. (Genuinely not a nod at anyone here. My coal-burning, screeching sister-in-law who thinks trannies are the epitome of morality, that there isn't an objective truth, hates Christ, sings songs about abortion, actively hates Whites and wants to protect jews? Yes, I would say that about her. Saved by the Spirit by grace, but little reward.)BowserNoodle ☦️ and AlabasterBrick ?☠️ like this. -
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@Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon >Remember that Christ Himself dismisses that accepting Christ is the way of salvation.
where does this happen?
>Any idea that "If you believe/do [insert threshold], then I will give it to you" is *earning* it, by definition--just with a threshold moved.
Accepting a gift ≠ earning, and choosing to not accept a gift is still an option if we are to assume free will.
I appreciate the effortposts. Within the paradigm you're outlining, there's still question of why Christ would bother answering those who ask Him what they must do to be saved (Luke 10:25-29, Matthew 19:16). If the answer was as simple as "lol be born to the right person noob" or "you're already good, bucko!" would we not have heard a variant of that? -
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@Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon >if is the case that we can refuse salvation, it is a necessary extension that Christ will not have saved all of Israel if salvation (again, if it is dependent upon any belief/action on our part). That is contrary to God’s proclamation that all of Israel will be saved—a proclamation even reiterated in the NT by Paul.
I find this more valid as evidence that Israel is not a birthright but a description of The Church— the people who have chosen to serve Him are Israel, and they are saved because He saves Israel. I won't deny that what you are saying is logically consistent within the paradigm, but I still do not accept the paradigm.
>dispensationalists declare “The Church is now Israel.”
Usually they declare "the church needs to give more money to Israel" but jokes aside, that's more of an amillennialist view is it not? My dispensationalist friends mostly view Israel and the people who call themselves jews as equivalent to the Israel of the NT, despite that being silly and borderline heresy do to Christ's own words.
>‘generation’ is awkwardly placed in the NT wherever the Koine Greek says ‘race’ very, very clearly.
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>salvation
I know I’m reiterating with this, but I hope for clarity. Salvation is by grace, but the reward will be a judgement.
No one can take you from His hand—including yourself. Otherwise, He could not promise to save all of Israel.
>more about salvation
>calling back to how those of Christ’s day regarded Daniel as prophecy of the last days—and how their questions to Christ show this.
There was something to be saved from in their day: the destruction of Judah. Not only the temple but the remnant of the OT kingdom would fall (the fig tree would shrivel up), and so there was real, bodily death to be saved from. They needed to heed his warning. He specifically refers to Daniel by name when answering.
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>Accepting a gift ≠ earning, and choosing to not accept a gift is still an option if we are to assume free will.
Accepting/not accepting would be doing something on your part still—a completion of the salvation. “If you believe and/or do X [the scope of X being dependent upon denomination], then you will be saved.”
That’s not to misinterpret the scope of that claim, not twisting it into saying one is saving one’s self—that is not a *necessary* extension. The analogy would be you are drowning and Christ throws a float. You can grab it or not, but you did not get the float yourself; He tossed it. I say that to make assure that the concept is not being misrepresented.
The case is that Christ threw the float around you, whether you grab it or not, whether you’re flailing or not, and He’s dragging you to shore, saving you regardless of your acceptance.
Otherwise, if is the case that we can refuse salvation, it is a necessary extension that Christ will not have saved all of Israel if salvation (again, if it is dependent upon any belief/action on our part). That is contrary to God’s proclamation that all of Israel will be saved—a proclamation even reiterated in the NT by Paul. (That bothersome snag is why dispensationalists declare “The Church is now Israel.” The Church will all be saved (and by this they mean only the true Scotsman church, not [your denomination]), ergo all of “Israel” will be saved. God pulled a fast one, rather than it being the case that the God who gives His Spirit and His covenants to bloodlines would care about descendants / race.)
(As an aside, the same concern is why ‘generation’ is awkwardly placed in the NT wherever the Koine Greek says ‘race’ very, very clearly. As clear as the distinction between ‘generation’ and ‘race’ is in English.)
>Remember that Christ Himself dismisses that accepting Christ is the way of salvation.
>Where does this happen?
Christ is the way to salvation, and it has nothing to do with you accepting Him. It has only to do with Him accepting you. (The float analogy above.)
When He says that the only sin that will not be forgiven is blasphemy of the Spirit, He explicitly gives the example that one may even blaspheme the Son of Man (Himself).
The civic salvation response to this is usually that one could have denied Christ Himself but so long as one truly believes in Him and accept Him before death, then and only then are they saved. But that is counter to His statement, inherently. He doesn’t qualify “as long as you stop before dying” by any conceptual take of his statement.
If you tell me I can wear anything except polka dots and enter your house—even if I wear a shirt that says “I hate you”—that is not saying “as long you have taken the “I hate you” one off before it’s time to come in.” The qualifier is inherently counter to the statement.BowserNoodle ☦️ likes this. -
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>why Christ would bother answering those who ask Him what they must do to be saved
The four beasts/kingdoms, the statue of metals/kingdoms, and the 70 weeks prophecies of Daniel were to Christ's disciples as Revelation is to us--the latest of prophecies of the latest revealed times.
They saw the Kingdom of God of in Daniel as coming immediately, soon--along with the fall of the Second Temple. We see this when Christ points to the temple and says no stone will be left on top of another and the disciples follow by asking when this will be, what will be the signs of the end of the age, etc. It was all one to them.
Christ did not correct them that this was not so. Instead, He answered each of these questions in one response, as they had asked in one questioning.
Let's split more specifically questions regarding eternal life and questions regarding salvation.
>eternal life
When asking after eternal life, Christ refers to loving your "neighbor." (I believe we've touched this before. There is a Koine Greek word for physical, geographical "neighbor" not used here, but rather the word for "near you", "dear to you", "yours"--and the commandment He quotes in part as being the one containing all others reads "the sons of thy people."
In the same conversation about "Who is my brother?", it is not the Pharisee (position), not the priest (position), but the actual Israelite Samaritan (blood) that treats him well that is his brother. This said during a time when Samaritans were seen by Judeans (whether Israelites or not) as Israelites that left God--or even as non-Israelites attempting to slide into the covenant.
Essentially, He's saying what you and I do here: Stop making enemies of each other, work it out; you have enemies beyond you that are not of you.
What does doing that have to do with eternal life?
>Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1 Corinthians 3:13-15)
>And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory; and gathered together before him shall be all the nations, and he shall separate them from one another, as the shepherd doth separate the sheep from the goats, and he shall set the sheep indeed on his right hand, and the goats on the left. Then shall the king say to those on his right hand, "Come ye, the blessed of my Father, inherit the reign that hath been prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I did hunger, and ye gave me to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and ye received me; naked, and ye put around me; I was infirm, and ye looked after me; in prison I was, and ye came unto me." Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, "Lord, when did we see thee hungering, and we nourished? Or thirsting, and we gave to drink? And when did we see thee a stranger, and we received? Or naked, and we put around? And when did we see thee infirm, or in prison, and we came unto thee?" And the king answering, shall say to them, "Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] to one of these my brethren -- the least -- to me ye did [it]."
>Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, "Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers; for I did hunger, and ye gave me not to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me not to drink; a stranger I was, and ye did not receive me; naked, and ye put not around me; infirm, and in prison, and ye did not look after me." Then shall they answer, they also, saying, "Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee?" Then shall he answer them, saying, "Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of these, the least, ye did [it] not to me." And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during. (Matthew 25:31-46)
The sheep are judged / rewarded by how they treated Him--by how they treated the sheep--and *none of the sheep* are said to be cast into the fire. (This has nothing to do with deciding their salvation.)
Meanwhile, the goats are judged by how they treated Him--by how they treated the sheep, not by how they treated fellow goats--and are cast into the fire—just as the tares, "children of the wicked one" according to Christ's explanation of His parable, are thrown. -
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I would reword small things (replace some prepositions to be more clear--like replacing "covenants with His Spirit* to "covenants by His Spirit"), but you get what ya what on the Internet
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 07:38:24 JST
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@Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon I appreciate the compliment, and enjoy this type of exchange with you and your posts in general :fourlokocheers: To paraphrase and agree— there is no reason for us to turn disagreements into rage and shouting matches or do the work of the evil one for him. There's a huge (metaphorical)[???] army of evil and we ought not take unnecessary shots at one another over 'factional disagreement'. Not yet anyway 😎.
>Sheep and Goats
What about that parable requires it to be physical, or is this back to spirit as what dwells in the temple of flesh? Even the assumption that sheep and goats are both judged according to how they treated "sheep" seems spurious when the common belief wherein one reads that as literal seems more fitting—[helping the most vulnerable]. -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 07:45:05 JST
BowserNoodle ☦️
@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant He gets a pass because he's The Son of God and also was dealing with hyper jewish lawyers who were possibly influenced by evil spirits.
>But this response is also imo somewhat snark in response to a "gotcha."
Yes. It was a bad faith question by a bad actor, but He knew and delivered a perfect answer, as is to be expected. All of the commandments are derivatives of Christ's response. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 07:45:06 JST
Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits
I've answered this in the past but I will once again. You will explain this away as being esoteric but whatever.
>“Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.”
First, it says "love the lord YOUR God." It is a command repeatedly only given to the Israelites, as Yahweh is only ever called their God, and they His people, but I digress.
Is a nigger capable of fulfilling this command? I would answer no, they are not. Is an Israelite capable of failing in this command? Clearly they are as the entire Bible is evidence to. But this response is also imo somewhat snark in response to a "gotcha." The verse starts
>25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test,
Clearly this man wasn't wholly genuine in his question to Jesus, and Jesus was purposely cryptic to virtually everyone he spoke to. You say I am esoteric, but He was more :02_laugh: . Read Matthew 13:11 -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 07:46:51 JST
BowserNoodle ☦️
@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant I don't see evidence for annihilation in scripture. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 07:46:52 JST
Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits
The bit that i think is the stumbling block for most people is they see the next stage as binary. you either go burn in hell, or you go live in heaven. Because they are afraid they might not make it to heaven, they have developed an outlook by which you can choose to be there by believing in Jesus.
The reality is there are 3 outcomes, as you know and said. In the first you stop existing. In the second there is an a) and b), where you are either a) reward or b) punished.
But really it's as simple as this (and actually pretty much a parable Jesus said anyway). There is a forest of trees and you are the arborist. The trees don't get to tell you which ones are chopped down to be milled and which get to stand tall and be left alone. Only the arborist can make that decision. And such are the souls of humans (the trees) and God (the arborist). -
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BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 08:03:33 JST
BowserNoodle ☦️
@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant We're going to talk in circles then. You and I have both read Romans and your conclusions require a specific interpretation that I do not agree with. -
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Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits (xenophon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 01-Feb-2025 08:03:34 JST
Sturmführer Xeno Fish Biscuits
Israel cannot be a church. Replacement theology is heresy. Israel was a person whom promises were made to for his offspring, just like Abraham. If the promises were to anyone who wants to believe they are an Israelite, the God is no different than a jewish lawyer.
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