@BowsacNoodle There is a study the Chinese conducted circa 2021/2022 (it's out there somewhere - too lazy right now to look) that studied 10,000 smokers to better understand why they seemed largely unaffected by COVID-19. Allegedly, it turns out nicotinamide receptors in the brain are damaged by the COVID bio-weapon. These numerous receptors control different functions in the body including diaphragm contraction, smell and taste. Hmm. However, these receptors prefer nicotine to the virus and will (gross oversimplification here) choose nicotine over the COVID bio-weapon.
I read something to this effect back in early-2023 and started microdosing on lucy.co nicotine lozenges - 3x a week at 4mg. I had previously had COVID but never again after commencing the microdosing. As of last month lucy.co discontinued these lozenges which were the only ones I can find on the market that use actual nicotine instead of the methylated synthetic version. bummed. Who knows for sure about any of this. It's hard to believe anything these days.
1) DEFUSE documents do not show that covid was a bioweapon. 2) i'm not watching your fucking propaganda videos. 3) confusing the vaccine with the virus is just embarrassing. 4) DARPA should take it up with other parts of the US government if they are still confused, which given this is from 3 years ago, they probably aren't.
@agaperealm@BowsacNoodle It's not faith. It's informed belief. But if you truly believe it's a bioweapon you are staying indoors and wearing a high-quality mask around other people, and keeping vaccinated right?
@jeffcliff@agaperealm >meanwhile, if you get bitten by a wild dog/bat will you get the rabies vaccine? Jeff, that's my line. "Viruses didn't real" guys are separate from people who don't believe the questionable efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccine. I fall into the latter category. I am losing trust with mainstream health science, and I have a brain and background which should embrace them. I have been belittled by people who show themselves to be liars for my honest skepticism, the same type I'd give towards any authoritative claim. They can kick rocks.
@cowanon@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm there are literally people here on the fedi that cultivate flowers with the tobacco mosaic virus. What are they giving to their flowers if it isn't a virus?
There is no such thing as viruses. Their existence has never been proven by modern science or any science whatsoever. So long as you believe in the myth of viruses you can be mind-controlled by Big Pharma.
Disease doesn't exist. It's the body detoxifying itself. "Disease" is made-up bullshit like climate change so powerful jews can mind-control us with fear of boogeymen.
@cowanon@agaperealm@jeffcliff I am not mind controlled by pharma. Viruses exist even if they're a heuristic rather than fact. I have yet to be convinced otherwise, but I'm open to it. The idea of latent disease manifesting around technological or environmental changes a la Dead Space (Russian flu and influenza both tied to tech advancements) is interesting to me. I'm not sure both aren't correct though, as manifestation of endogenous retropathogens via external stimuli could still produce a transferable package with the properties of what we call "virus".
Flu vaccines existed 10 years go. I was living with immune compromised people ~10 years ago and got vaccinated against the flu for the first time around then, even.
"Immune systems" are one layer of defense against diseases like the flu. And plenty of people died, then and now, from flu. Many of whom would be saved if they were vaccinated.
"critical thinking" leads to the use of vaccines very quickly if you bother to actually use it.
@BowsacNoodle@jeffcliff@agaperealm I can remember telling academics that I don't get flu vaccines and having them look at me like I was a leper. Apparently, immune systems and critical thinking stopped working 10 years ago.
@jeffcliff@agaperealm@pepsi_man Flu shots typically have a less than 50% efficacy. They used to publish this data, although I'm not sure they still do.
@jeffcliff@cowanon@agaperealm I am speculating, without serious commitment to the idea, that an endogenous retrovirus could be activated because of something like a new strong RF field out of nowhere and manifest as viral packages which are themselves communicable.
@BowsacNoodle@cowanon@agaperealm if such a virus did emerge that way, and i'm not saying it's impossible...it would not have the more or less exact, long chain of RNA/DNA of another virus. You'd need some reason for that high, high level of match
@jeffcliff@agaperealm@pepsi_man In this case, the bullet proof vest makes you feel like shit when you put it on and sometimes it actually explodes when hit (training your immune system incorrectly for increased response). Not to mention the unknown possible problems and other risks associated with vaccination. While rare, healthy people get sick with debilitating conditions from routine vaccinations.
@jeffcliff@agaperealm@pepsi_man >ADE is not observed in covid vaccinations That's not entirely true, and hopefully you agree that if it did exist they would do their damnedest to hide any evidence of it to prevent mass global unrest. But more relevant, I believe this was an issue with swine flu and the standard influenza vaccine.
@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm@pepsi_man > That's not entirely true, and hopefully you agree that if it did exist they would do their damnedest to hide any evidence of it
No I don't agree with that. People are drooling in expectation of this happening.
@jeffcliff@agaperealm@pepsi_man I am not. I do not want a mass casualty event. Billions Must Die is not a part of my belief system outside of obvious jokes. I simply can't grok you or anyone else can trust the corporations and government to have the health and well-being of everyone in such high regard when they demonstrably do not through so many policies and actions.
@pepsi_man@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm you mean not long after there were so many people with terrible teeth that it was a problem for the US military (because they couldn't chew the rations)?
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm Remember that one time Alcoa lobbied to have water companies start using Flouride (literal industrial waster) put into the water supply and told us it's healthy?
That was pretty neat.
So yea, I'm sure the coof vax is totally above board.
@jeffcliff@agaperealm@pepsi_man If an organization as large and longstanding as The Sierra Club can do a complete 180 on open borders for a big donation, why would any gatekeepers or government body not work the same?
@jeffcliff@agaperealm@pepsi_man Yeah it's actually retarded and one of the things I never could agree with. Brush your teeth and floss and see a dentist. If you need fluoride treatment, the dentist can apply it with a tray in a more active format. What happens if you swallow your fluoridated toothpaste every day, Jeff?
No, it doesn't. Sure there are political battles to be fought in all organizations. Doesn't mean there isn't faithfully represented data in stuff like the NIH that you can easily download. But here's the thing: you *could* check against manipulation and doublecheck their work but most of it is banal details but at the end of the day a lot of it doesn't change, it's consistent not just with itself but with other sources of data (archives/etc).
@jeffcliff@agaperealm@pepsi_man You'll have CNS and heart issues if you swallow toothpaste for a few weeks. PPM and accumulation are an interesting thing to consider, but it matters a lot more for children. In the first year or two, fluoride is absorbed at about 90% by the body and reducing to 50% until the start of puberty. Fluoride outcompetes calcium in bones, and thusly can create brittle bones in children. Far worse for industrial exposure than casual water consumption, but it's literally not needed by children outside of tooth treatments.
...and they *are* considered, and are why the dosages are where they are. Unless you're in backwater alberta or something this isn't some kind of new policy that the 'what is a safe level' needs to be found -- all of this stuff is taken into account already.
@jeffcliff@agaperealm@pepsi_man I don't consider pro fluoridation information valid in any capacity. Even when I was a materialis Lt atheist, I knew the biochemistry of it was retarded. Sad you can't see this.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm@pepsi_man Yes, naturally present in nature. In plants, it is usually called fluorine, however. The fluoride we're discussing comes from chemical waste, not naturally. It's a very misleading article.
> ...They had first met at a study club in 1970, and occasionally met for several years after, until Dr. Verigin left the study club to pursue his growing interest in energy medicine, acupuncture, and Traditional Chinese Medicine. Little did he know that Arana was developing these same interests – until they ran into each other at the 1984 East Meets West Conference at Shriner’s Children’s Hospital in Honolulu. > Reinhold VollThis meeting featured Dr. Reinhold Voll demonstrating his groundbreaking method of electroacupuncture, and this inspired the two dentists to learn more about it. They next enrolled in a series on the Fundamentals of Electroacupuncture According to Voll (EAV), taught by German naturopath Andreas Marx and designed by Walter Sturm, founder of the Occidental Institute, the key North American organization devoted to the study and practice of German Biological Medicine...
But it is still poison. And overexposure is proven to be harmful. So it seems pretty reckless to put it in our water supply, where the dose can't be controlled.
> 1. Wuhan chynavirus was created in Wuhan, chyna. Fauci and others helped fund it
No it wasn't.
> And to fuck up Trump’s first four years.
That doesn't even make sense. The zoonosis happened in late 2019 at the *end* of trump's first reign.
> 2. It is not a vaccine.
Yes it is. But to see how much of a clue do you have: does a vaccine have to come from a cow?
> mRNA is not safe for humans.
This is not just wrong but dead wrong.
> It was FDA “approved” in nine months.
IDGAF. I do not live in the US and don't care about the FDA.
> Show me a list of the ingredients.
You wouldn't know what to do with them even if you had them
> 3. Every single child ever injected with the wuhan chynavax has or is going to have myocarditis > coagulating effect from the chynavax
the vaccine PREVENTS more myocarditis and blood clotting than it causes. https://heart.bmj.com/content/110/9/635 Also it's not a "chyna vax" the vaccine was developed elsewhere.
> Hundreds of thousands that have died of the jab
No. hundreds of thousands have NOT died from the "jab" - meanwhile TENS OF MILLIONS have died of covid.
> 4. Your mask is less effective at providing you healthy, clean oxygen that your body requires .. > but introduce an increased amount of carbon dioxide into your system
> 5. Six foot social distancing was the stupidest thing, ever.
No, it wasn't. It wasn't enough, of course, but it was a good first-order approximation in the absence of full understanding of airborne dynamics of covid (which didn't come until after 2020)
1. Wuhan chynavirus was created in Wuhan, chyna. Fauci and others helped fund it. Strictly designed to widen the wage gap between the rich and the poor; to kill off the old, weak-minded, with lots of money. And to fuck up Trump’s first four years. Also, a perfect test of “how will the world respond to our psyop propaganda machine?” 2. It is not a vaccine. mRNA is not safe for humans. It was FDA “approved” in nine months. Show me a list of the ingredients. I believe Johnson & Johnson was the only true “vaccine” with dead virus in it. Moderna and all the others were cooked up with God knows what. 3. Every single child ever injected with the wuhan chynavax has or is going to have myocarditis. Hundreds of thousands that have died of the jab have plasticized veins due to a coagulating effect from the chynavax. Not to mention the many convulsions on video around the world. 4. Your mask is less effective at providing you healthy, clean oxygen that your body requires. Recycling your fluoridated mouth breath does nothing but introduce an increased amount of carbon dioxide into your system. Then you sneeze and introduce that into your lungs, too. Genius. 5. Six foot social distancing was the stupidest thing, ever. 6. I don’t give a fuck what poison you inject, swallow or brush your dirty ass teeth with. Just don’t force it upon me. Take your flu virus shot, or mRNA, gene-altering jew jab, or double-mask with a face-shield, alone, in the car, like a fucking moron. But do not expect the same person with a functioning brain and healthy immune system to follow your delusional world. If you believe the jab protects you, the rest of us don’t need it nor do we want it. 7. Fuck you, nigger. Stay inside (no sunlight). Social distance (no sharing of germs to maintain a built-up, healthy immune system), wear a mask (get no oxygen, recycle your mouth farts), inject yourself with this experimental drug, and oh yea, no repercussions to the big fat dick pharma industry if you get injured or die. Right, and because of this retarded jew society bulkshit, you cannot see your dying grandparent that are in the hospital. They will die alone cuz COVID-NIGGER-19 🖕🖕🖕
Why the fuck would anyone sign up for this global jew psyop? It has literally been the worst, global plandemic of our 21st century. An utter fucking catastrophe to believe one word of it.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Thusnelda@agaperealm@pepsi_man Exposure is wildly variable depending on how much a person consumes from fluoride-containing sources. Many people won't get the supposed benefit of consuming it, but others will, or they'll get more than they should. Especially children and infants, as they can easily get harmful levels even from "safe" concentrations in tap water.
People aren't getting appropriate doses for their body weight or respective needs, so it's not controlled. Simple as.
Using tap water as a delivery mechanism for any other medication or supplement would be terrible for many obvious reasons. I haven't even touched on the potential for harm to the environment or plants or other animals, but it's bad enough when you only consider the human side of the equation. Just have dentists and doctors administer it like we do for literally everything not over-the-counter.
I was going to stay out of this. Congrats. You got be back in. I don't suppose you've done a click on the BMJ Group's About Us page. Or, maybe you have and you're aligned with the sky is falling climate emergency crowd. Either way, this organization has a far Left leaning agenda and I wouldn't trust any research sanctioned, funded, promoted or produced by them. Remember 99% of scientists agree with the opinion of those funding them.
It is hard to find people these days who aren't aware of the COVID-19 "vaccination" myocarditis pericarditis connection. Even the completely compromised CDC has had to publish the connection. Considering the CDC's initial position on the vaxes was that they're completely safe and almost 100% effective at preventing transmission or contraction of COVID-19, this is a surprising admission to me.
We've all been waiting for decades for a vaccine to cure the common cold. The flu vaccine 20% to 30% effective after decades of use. Enter COVID-19. Within 9 months 4 different companies have a vax based on a new, untested mRNA tech. LOFL. Nothing to be suspicious of there. They initially tell us, "Almost 100% effective at preventing contraction and transmission" but within 6 months they've gradually reduced that to 40% effective. Ah, but we have a booster we can sell you to solve that problem. LOL. Again, nothing to be suspicious of here. And the Pfizer clinical data? You don't need to see that for...70 years. Fortunately, a judge prevented Pfizer from hiding the data. And, what did we find in their clinical results? 9 full pages of contraindications in what we were told was a perfectly safe, "experimental vaccine" that, by the way, the manufacturer's could not be held liable for people who suffered contraindications from their product. The best part? They don't have to prove efficacy and they couldn't if they even wanted to. "All of these people would have dies if they hadn't taken our experimental drug." "Well, how do you know that?" "We just know." Got it.
Candidly, I have to hand it to big pharma on this one. They pulled of the most successful financial scam in corporate history. They're scum, but you have to admire their ability to execute on a grandiose plan.
>. I don't suppose you've done a click on the BMJ Group's About Us page.
Are you serious? the BMJ is one of the top medical journals in the world.
>Or, maybe you have and you're aligned with the sky is falling climate emergency crowd.
Ah yes the "i don't understand climate change so the entire scientific and medical establishment should listen to me about vaccines, which I am also wrong about" argument. Global warming is an extential risk to humankind and covid is preventing us from dealing with it effectively, by wasting our time in threads like this.
> . Remember 99% of scientists agree with the opinion of those funding them.
Yeah you made that up on the spot, and it's irrelevant in any case *because their data speaks for itself*.
> It is hard to find people these days who aren't aware of the COVID-19 "vaccination" myocarditis pericarditis connection.
Yeah they are wrong, as this study shows.
> Even the completely compromised CDC has had to publish the connection.
Yeah
> Considering the CDC's initial position on the vaxes was that they're completely safe
Nothing is completely safe, and the CDC didn't claim as such. They have
> and almost 100% effective at preventing transmission
At the targetted variant it is. But here's the thing; we were told, since day #1 that if this virus was allowed to mutate it was likely to not be like that forever. And it did, adn now we're not even targetting the correct circulating strains because you covidiots have allowed too many hosts for covid to mutate in.
> We've all been waiting for decades for a vaccine to cure the common cold.
>The flu vaccine 20% to 30% effective after decades of use
OK we're getting people in here claim 50% it's either 50% or 20% pick one guys. And the surveillance network of 2019 was not even remotely comparable to the flu surveillance network of 1999 or 1989 -- the cost of sequencing has fallen substantially over the decades and the speed has increased, the presence of labs capable of doing it is much greater. We can do a lot better targetting of flu strains than we could 2 decades ago and if the US hadn't defunded its pandemic response team during the trump years we'd probably be well on our way to eradicating even more flu strains than we have.
>. Enter COVID-19. Within 9 months 4 different companies have a vax based on a new, untested mRNA
Which you would have known about had you been actually following medical journals before covid hit. TWIV was talking about LNPs being used as a vaccine platform back in the late naughts. The tech was ready it just needed funding, which was suddenly available since *everyone in the fucking world needed something to deal with the imminent danger to their health and the lives of their loved ones*
>, "Almost 100% effective at preventing contraction and transmission" but within 6 months they've gradually reduced that to 40% effective.
Yeah, that's what happens when you're faced with an evolving foe. If we had reduced transmission/infection more we could have spread that time from 6 months to a lot longer, but we chose not to thanks to a combination of BLM covidiots on the left and "let er rip" covidiots on the right.
> And the Pfizer clinical data? You don't need to see that for...70 years.
We don't have to care about pfizer's clinical data anymore -we've got plenty of data from *outside of pfizer's control* on what the vaccines do. This vaccine has now hundreds of billions of datapoints on what it does. and guess what? it reduces transmission, reduces infection, just as they were supposed to, with minimal side effects and about as many people killed from the vaccine as you would expect from a vaccine given to so many people (actually about an order of magnitude less than that).
> 9 full pages of contraindications in what we were told was a perfectly safe, "experimental vaccine"
> that, by the way, the manufacturer's could not be held liable for people who suffered contraindications from their product.
Good. They shouldn't have to put up with antivaxxers using lawfare against them.
> The best part? They don't have to prove efficacy and they couldn't if they even wanted to.
They *have* proven efficiency either way.
> "Well, how do you know that?" "We just know." Got it.
No, because the pathology of covid is well documented and you can tell large groups apart in terms of health outcomes by whether or not they fit the patterns of other similar groups
>. They pulled of the most successful financial scam in corporate history.
You should take a look at the "alternative medicine" scumbags books sometime
@jeffcliff@Thusnelda@absurdlyobfuscated@agaperealm@pepsi_man Anyone shilling fluoride is unironically not worth reading. Any dentist will tell you flossing is more important than fluoride. Maybe they should give out free dental floss to children during school.
@jeffcliff@Thusnelda@absurdlyobfuscated@agaperealm@pepsi_man I don't care, still not going to take it. My water filter grabs 99% of fluoride. My toothpaste is fluoride free. My kids get a fluoride treatment from their dentist with the gel when theit adult teeth are all in. One and done.
@BowsacNoodle@jeffcliff@Thusnelda@absurdlyobfuscated@agaperealm@pepsi_man no proof fluoride prevents cavities beyond killing everything it touches on initial application, much proof it can lead to degradation of teeth through dental fluorosis ... lot less risk if they're not being pumped full of it all the time in water and toothpaste and food and tea and most canned drinks, and , well, most things though.
@pepsi_man@jeffcliff@HonkHonkBoom@Thusnelda@absurdlyobfuscated@agaperealm Yeah and this has been commonly known in alt health for like 40+ years. Only because propaganda smeared fluoride haters as literal schizos have people not actually looked at this. Fluoride has long been my go to example for not giving a shit what the experts say.
@pepsi_man@BowsacNoodle@HonkHonkBoom@Thusnelda@absurdlyobfuscated@agaperealm So you agree there's no evidence in the 135 relevant studies of fluoride being unsafe, and there's a small (though less than say a century ago due to the availability of toothpaste) positive effect on esp childrens dental health? ie your source's source (cochrane) saying this.
@jeffcliff I'm saying there's zero justification for continuing to flouridate the water supply, unless you're an aluminum magnate looking to unload your waste products. If I were to guess, I'd say Alcoa Funded some of those early studies.
@jeffcliff@HonkHonkBoom@Thusnelda@absurdlyobfuscated@agaperealm@pepsi_man Jeff, you've said some absolutely vile things to people who didn't deserve it. You have no moral high ground or authority on the subject, and none of us are interested in your borrowing another system shill's authority. Take the L and go. You literally radicalized me through our last discussion on abortion. You can't suck knowledge out of my head by citing authorities I literally don't care about. Don't die on this hill, or if you do, don't be surprised when all the fun arguments stop as people ignore you for being a low tier troll.
> Jeff, you've said some absolutely vile things to people who didn't deserve it
They deserved every word and worse.
> , and none of us are interested in your borrowing another system shill's authority.
Then you're not interested in actually learning the truth about this topic.
I hope they do stop. I have wasted SO much fucking time on this stupidity. I have gotten basically nothing done today. Or this year, even. Because of stupid arguments with people who are totally fucking clueless about whether viruses exist, how the jews somehow planted two different variants of covid in wuhan or whatever the antivaxxer cause of the day. Or whether or not basic public health measures like vaccines, fluoride in water or masks do good. All with know-nothings who, instead of actually going into public health and improving the society they live in through their expertise, are wasting MY fucking time and spreading misinformation on my feed.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@Thusnelda@agaperealm@pepsi_man >Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted. >>this risk should not be ignored
You are immune to the scientific process in that you refuse to reevaluate anything after reaching a conclusion, or rather, after having one given to you by a seemingly authoritative source.
interestingly: TWIV69 touches on the 'how much does the flu vaccine protect' question in a new way - ie getting a flu vaccine now can protect you quite a few decades after the fact, something that as of 2010 they weren't really expecting
ie if there's a flu pandemic strain in 2040 or something, and any of us are still alive, that time we got vaccinated in 2019 or 2023 might be the difference between us living and dying.
>That doesn't even make sense. The zoonosis happened in late 2019 at the *end* of trump's first reign.
The talking heads of the media are already trying stir up more bio scare shenanigans. Their corruption is all they know.
>Yes it is. But to see how much of a clue do you have: does a vaccine have to come from a cow?
A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious or malignant disease. The safety and effectiveness of vaccines has been widely studied and verified. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins. - not some synthetic concoction that has nothing to do with the virus at hand.
>This is not just wrong but dead wrong. The vaccines have saved millions of lives, and people like you who recommend against it have blood on your hands for doing so.
I have a stick that is guaranteed to save you from injury in the event of a fall! Show me the numbers of people injured or killed by this specific clown show of Pfizer, Moderna, J&J. There is no way to quantify how many lives were “saved.” Test parameters were done by the very people creating this shit, so of course they’re going to tell you it is “safe and effective.”
>IDGAF. I do not live in the US and don't care about the FDA.
We fucking know, Jeff! Chynavax was given emergency approval and clinical trials were skipped.
>You wouldn't know what to do with them even if you had them
I’m a systems engineer. I know plenty, and I know a psyop when I see one. Many videos spilled across the net of the box of the chynavax vaccines where the piece of paper that came in the box was completely empty. Nothing on it. No ingredients, no side-effects, no test studies.
>the vaccine PREVENTS more myocarditis and blood clotting than it causes.
I don’t care where it was “developed” The data and global videos prove myocarditis was also found in those patients that did not get infected with C-19, but received the jab. Spike proteins were created by the jab and found in the brain and the heart in autopsies.
>No. hundreds of thousands have NOT died from the "jab" - meanwhile TENS OF MILLIONS have died of covid.
Nobody will ever know the true number. Hospitals were getting paid for every covid patient that walked through the door, so skewed numbers. Even more money for those needing a respirator.
>This is a myth
Fresh air is healthier than recycled air. If you believe the opposite, then why not keep the mask on 24/7? Plus, what does every single person do when they sit down at a restaurant? They take the mask off to eat. Pretty fucking stupid. Plus, touching everything under the sun then touching the mask. 🤡🌎
>This is false
I can pay any retard enough money to say masks are effective or sucking toe fungus is healthy.
>No, it wasn't. It wasn't enough…
Stay home indefinitely, if you truly believe this. Fear the bird flying over shitting on your car.
>The covid vaccine is NOT poison.
It is poison that turns healthy people into unhealthy people. I didn’t get jabbed, if you can’t already tell. Had chynavirus once that felt like a flu x2. After a week, I was fine, and I had antibodies for over a year. Never had any side effects after that. Completely healthy. Btw, I got it BEFORE the jew media even knew about it meaning it was already in America well before anyone was talking about it.
> don't force jab >You don't understand who you're talking to
I don’t care. You sound like a fear-mongering, jew nigger.
>covid DAMAGES BRAINS and immune systems
Obviously. And that makes the vaccine safe with absolutely no side effects whatsoever?
>How many years are you going to call mrna vaccines 'experimental'?? Is the varicella vaccine still 'experimental'? how about gardasil?
Haven’t done my research on these. Isn’t varicella also known as VZV or a form of herpes? Not sure that’s fatal.
>Ah yes it's all about the jews.
Yup
>Hospitals have infectious control policies
Policies for a man-made (SARS-COV-2) virus that resulted in killing millions of elderly and preventing families from seeing them die as they were alone on their last breath.
>it is not a 'plandemic'
It didn’t appear out of nowhere and magically decide to wipe out 15% of humanity. It was designed, planned, and released on purpose.
You are the covidiot believing the mainstream jew media about all the psyop bullshit they fed you. STOP FORCING HEALTHY PEOPLE TO TAKE THIS EXPERIMENTAL SHIT.
If you’ve made it this far, I had shit to do. Inject yourself with rhino piss.
@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm Nobody *around you* tests maybe. Covid *is* a big deal -- it is is causing a mass disabling event and is killing millions of people. I'm not letting it go.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm i've had long-covid symptoms long before the pandemic started, and ever since 2020 my general health has gradually improved. long covid doesn't fucking scare me even if it is a real threat.
by the way, why the FUCK do you compare covid to hiv? you're being seriously retarded, pulling that one out of your hat.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm so your comparison with hiv wasn't superficial. i apologise, it appeared to be, given how you phrased it
still, i'd be worried (in your shoes) about the long-term stress from talking about one virus on fedi for so long. you're atheist but have a problem with letting people die. earth is a meat grinder by design. consider that a while
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle I thumbed through this thread and didn't see any links proving vaxes saved lives.
I haven't told you whether or not I've been vaxed, but let's say I had been. I've had COVID-19 (loss of taste and smell). Was I saved by the vax? Is that why I'm alive today and, if so, how would you know?
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle From the Lancet..."However, even in countries with complete vital registration systems, it is difficult to accurately define the cause of death in individuals who present with multiple morbidities. Excess all-cause mortality (the difference between the observed and expected number of deaths in non-pandemic years) has therefore been used to quantify the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.10 Although the exact contribution of COVID-19 to excess mortality is unknown, the strong temporal correlation observed globally between reported COVID-19 mortality and excess mortality provides evidence that excess mortality is an informative indicator of pandemic-related mortality."
Well, there's no latitude of interpretation there, now is there?
Point being that the goal of the study is unattainable. You could take the very same data set they used to"prove" the vax saved lives and produce a study "proving" the vax killed a high percentage of the people who took it. And, although the Lancet retracted a study they published showing just that, it was published for a brief time.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle Do you know anyone who has "died suddenly" after having taken the vax? Someone with no other major pre-existing conditions? I personally know 4 and indirectly another 6. I'm far from being alone in this unfortunate phenomenon. If you're not in any way suspicious of big pharma, and believe the media companies, who big pharma happens to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to each year in ad revenues ("This segment is sponsored by Pfizer."), and you believe the revolving door of executives between big pharma, the FDA and the CDC is inconsequential to the safety testing of drugs, then I say good luck to you.
Look 5 plus years ago I shared your perspective. In my mind there were too many checks and balances in place for there to be any malfeasance, or so I believed. Since then I have been exposed to too much controverting evidence that big pharma isn't corrupt and evil. All I can tell you is that you're very invested in an industry that profits greatly from your continued sickness. Their future depends on a pipeline of future sickness and with tens of billions in annual profit at stake it is reasonable to assume they will be thorough it their efforts to protect that pipeline. If nothing else that should make everyone reflexively suspicious of big pharma. If it doesn't you then good luck.
> Media companies couldn't stop reporting on COVID-19 throughout 2021, 2022 and the first quarter of 2023.
And yet from 2021 on they have been CONSISTENT at promoting people go out and mix with unrelated people at sportsball and other venues.
> Do you not remember the real time death trackers?
Yeah I STILL USE THEM BECAUSE THE PANDEMIC IS NOT FUCKING OVER
> No. Not during the "pandemic". Six months ago
THE PANDEMIC IS STILL HAPPENING
here in saskatchewan we are just on the tail end of the worst wave of the whole pandemic
> . My 43 year old neighbor across the street falling down dead in his driveway taking his trashcan out to the curb
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT COVID DOES TO PEOPLE
> Otherwise perfectly healthy with no other pre-existing conditions, as one example.
After how many cases of covid? You antivaxxers ALWAYS forget this detail
> Your investment in big pharma is your confidence and defense of their product's safety and efficacy
No, I don't trust their product's safety and efficiacy from any "investment" in them, I trust their product's safety and efficiacy *because of what the science says it actually is*
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle "the media companies are pretending covid isn't real/isn't happening/never happened. They pay BILLIONS of dollars for sportsball arenas alone."
Media companies couldn't stop reporting on COVID-19 throughout 2021, 2022 and the first quarter of 2023. Do you not remember the real time death trackers?
"DURING A PANDEMIC YOU SAY?? No shit people are "dying suddenly" while COVID WAS LET RIP."
No. Not during the "pandemic". Six months ago. My 43 year old neighbor across the street falling down dead in his driveway taking his trashcan out to the curb. Otherwise perfectly healthy with no other pre-existing conditions, as one example.
"big pharma wants you to get repeatedly infected with covid, so you can be on the medication treadmill for the damage covid does to your organs."
So we agree that big pharma has a vested interest in people being sick. Hmm. Seems like a great reason not to trust them.
Your investment in big pharma is your confidence and defense of their product's safety and efficacy even as you admit they have a vested interest in your sickness.
@ElDeadKennedy@BowsacNoodle@agaperealm It'll take lots of things. We can start by putting covidiots like @Evil_Bender in isolated camps. And shutting down airports across north america. Closing borders to cross-border traffic. Instituting mandatory testing, and refunding the pandemic response teams. Outlawing the NFL, NBA, NHL and taylor swift concerts. Start there.
@jeffcliff@BowsacNoodle I will concede that it is possible that COVID-19 itself may be causing non-flu like side effects but only because I am certain it is not a naturally occuring phenomenon and was cooked up in a gain of function laboratory as a bioweapon.
"naturally occurring"?? International air travel of hundreds of millions to billions of people a year is not "naturally occurring" it's something humankind does. Without that covid would have probably mostly burned out like SARS1 did by now.
That is the where the "gain of function" happens -- in the human/covidiot population