> would a corporate fascist state dictate to ppl who the candidates will be....
Since the term is ill-defined, you could answer either way and anyone would have a difficult time responding.
> when theyre called to respond to evidence of manipulation in the primaries they literally say the parties have a "right" to manipulate the primaries process.
They literally say that because it is literally true. The parties may endorse whatever candidate they decide to endorse. The parties are not the government; the only issue (in my view) is that they are recognized and sanctioned by the government, so the two large parties get FEC support, their candidates are automatically added to the ballot (and other candidates usually have to collect signatures), and their primary voting is done by the same blend of taxpayer-funded bureaucracies and volunteer labor. Jefferson and Washington were opposed to parties but they eventually wormed their way in. Other parties do the same, you know,
> war profiteers
:lelandyee: :adnankhashoggi:
> then we are in a fascist state.
Not what "fascism" means.
> forgive me but i do think datacenters are a contruct of today's fascist state.
This thread is fascism, you're doing a fascism on me. I say it's pointless to fixate on the term, I ask you to define the term, and then you just steam-roll and insist that $x is fascist or that $y is fascist. This is a blitzkrieg, you're Hitlering the thread, your post was a Molotov-Ribbentrop Ottoman Franco Holocaust Night of the Long Knives Reactionary Tankie, you got your Stalin in my Mussolini.
@p@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@cvnt big tech are almost (EDIT always) military contracted. thats what govt control means. they are big multinational businesses that have formed an alliance with govt so as to be indistinguishable to govt. they are as per the definition of fascism. a definition i've (EDIT tried) made clear on numerous occsions that the persisting narrative in all definitions of fascism is its when govt and big businesss are indistinguishable.
amzon googl cloudfalre msoft (EDIT oracle) cisco and numerous others that bake vulnerabilities into hardware/softwarre are military contracted, hence they are in bed with govt. if they have datacenters that have an enduring impact over the information we see (EDIT that information) is a representation (EDIT and manifestation) of fascism.
(EDIT I would say all major datacenters are probably in bed with govt becaue it seems govt cannot accept that the internet is supposed to be distributed and so they've been scrambling over the past 15 years to crush independent websites and servers, to replace them with datacenter-based fascists like akamai, cloudflare, amazon. etc.)
i'm surprised you dont see that, but lets just agree to disagree. obviously ur servers in your house are not fascist unless you are military controlled and contracted, and part of googl, msoft and the multinational corporations. i'm a bit surprised you lump the UN in with the world bank and WEF, they are not the same.
the UN are a bunch if ppl that have no real enforcement or executive reach, its a convening of often elected or previously elected leaders in their respective countries just talking about the best ways to tackle issues. they have not real executive powers and no enforcement. the UN is in no way fascist. if convening powerless aging leaders scare people i don't know how to help them. lol
> they are as per the definition of fascism. a definition ive made clear on numerous occsions
If you have put forth a useful definition, or one that is at least consistent, I have not seen it, but it is not useful to discuss.
> i'm a bit surprised you lump the UN in with the world bank and WEF, they are not the same.
The U.N. has great PR here and in all of the neolib countries where taxes fund it.
Please look into founders, benefactors, and timeframes of creation for same. The Rockefellers contributed the land. You think that was pro bono? Why do you suppose they would want such an organization to exist? The World Bank and the IMF were set up to help provide "extranational sovereignty" to their ultra-wealthy group and you can't imagine why an arbiter of sovereignty and a mediator in international disputes would be useful to them? No idea why the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Warburgs, Carnegies, Vanderbilts, all the wrong people, all involved, and you "aren't sure" why I'd think that they're somehow related.
Occidental College is near here, it's where rich people send their kids, it's essentially a finishing school for rich kids. Hey, who's on the faculty? https://www.oxy.edu/academics/faculty/cynthia-rothschild : "an advocate whose work has revolved around and traveled through the UN for over two decades. In recent years, she’s been a consultant with a focus on UN advocacy and policy, sexual rights, LGBTI issues, women human rights defenders, religious fundamentalisms, clampdowns on civil society, and HIV & AIDS. Her UN experience has been centered on the Human Rights Council/Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), and the Commission on the Status of Women. [...] She had previously worked at UNIFEM in areas related to HIV/AIDS and CEDAW. She’s worked with many NGOs inside and outside the US to create and support activist engagement in the UN system." Hey, all the things neolibs love! You're right, how could I ever question the United Nations?
> obviously ur servers in your house are not fascist unless you are military controlled and contracted,
That's not what fascism means.
> the UN are a bunch if ppl
I know what the UN is; you are giving me the standard neolib line, the same one I probably would have given if someone asked me when I was 20.
@p@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@cvnt the discussion has shifted from definitions of fascism so yeah i'm done too. wikipedia is not something i trust for important things, ive personally seen misleading framing and gaslighting on that platform that favor the corporatist agenda. that was before i discovered the plethora of things researchers have documented. its a weaponized platform. i'm open to the idea the UN was founded for maligned purposes many decades ago, however today i don't see the UN as the elephant in the room with regard to maligned conduct, quite the opposite. i see the corporate fascists, their money printing enablers, and weapon peddling enforcers, as the much bigger threats. if by going after those things i happen to dent the worst elements of the UN, i wont lose sleep over that.
@frogzone@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@cvnt Goddammit, you are still doing this? I keep laboring under the delusion that being unpleasant will make people conclude I'm not worth the effort. I will not cite Wikipedia, I'll just cite the UN, all right?
> ive personally seen misleading framing and gaslighting on that platform that favor the corporatist agenda.
Same excuse neo-nazis use if I paste a link to Wikipedia: they distract from whether a thing is true or not and always start arguing Wikipedia. I know Wikipedia's shit, I have used the website myself. I am old and before Wikipedia existed, I used to go to Jimbo's previous website, bomis.com (I don't know what's there now), because they had the Bomis Babe of the Day and there were photos of tits and that's why we're all here, isn't it?
> i'm open to the idea the UN was founded for maligned purposes many decades ago, however today i don't see the UN as the elephant in the room with regard to maligned conduct, quite the opposite.
To recap, you scoff when I "lump" the UN together with the IMF and World Bank. The IMF is a UN organization. So I say "they're founded by the same people at the same time" and you treat this as specious and complain about a link to Wikipedia. You have to make an ally of ignorance to keep this up, which is why, instead of looking it up, you wait until I drag it out, then complain about the source. So, here is a primary source, a link to the UN's page about the UN's Specialized Agencies: https://research.un.org/en/docs/unsystem/sa . You will find on that list the World Health Organization, the International Labour Organization, UNESCO, UNIDO, etc., and on the same list you will find the IMF, the World Bank, and the World Intellectual Property Organization. They are not the "good guys": they are exactly what they were at the outset.
Here is the United Nations on the relationship between the United Nations and the IMF: https://research.un.org/en/docs/unsystem/imf . Here is the IMF's website, from Current Legal Issues Affecting Central Banks, Volume IV, which describes some of the mechanics of this relationship: https://www.elibrary.imf.org/display/book/9781557755032/ch003.xml . Why would I lump them together? This is why I would lump them together. I do not make this shit up.
Is it strange to you at all that Larry Fink pushes the things you love? Not lipservice, either: he will withdraw money from companies that don't have a good "ESG" score. All of these "corporate fascists"?
:neolib::finksmug: "BlackRock Financial says trans rights are human rights!" :finklol::trans:
Nothing to see here, just Blackrock writes your politics for you because, from the beginning, everything you have heard was good for the regular people at the bottom was created by the people at the top to prevent the people close to the top from climbing up any more rungs. Why does Blackrock love these things? Why would the worst assholes on earth (including Franklin "Japanese Internment" Delano Roosevelt, a good friend of Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, also a good friend of Alan Dulles, who helped start the UN and also the goddamn CIA and hired Bernays in the early stages) all get together and build the UN and the IMF and the World Bank? Same reason Bill Gates put his cash into the WHO. Same reason Soros funds the SEIU. Think that's altruism? You don't get to be George "working for the Nazis was the happiest time of my life" Soros if you're the caring sort. The reason why is staring you in your face and you hate it so you keep wheedling and you keep objecting and the reason is that it is a means to an end: they have done these things because these things are helpful in accomplishing their goals.
In closing, the UN loves all of the things you hate, it is just the diplomatic/military/cultural apparatus created for the same reasons and by the same people that created the IMF and the World Bank, and it hates cool guys like international :adnankhashoggi: arms dealers :lelandyee: and :terryhacker: hackers :rms: and :tor:.
I really don't like arguing this sort of thing on the internet, but I would rather you not imply that I make things up or that I rely on specious sources or that I have fallen for someone's propaganda, especially if you quote propaganda while doing so. quote-p.png
@p@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@cvnt there are well-to-do, posh schools all over the world, proximity to one of these schools is not weird tbh. anything in "new york" is close to a lot of stuff. i dont like new york as a city because i just dont care for megacities, they are extractive and elitist and places where the worse forms of collusion tend to happen so.... yeah the UN so called "headquarters" are in a bad spot, agree, i guess? a lot of stuff is and we need better decentralized avenues for participation.
>sexual rights, LGBTI issues, women human rights defenders, religious fundamentalisms, clampdowns on civil society, and HIV & AIDS
with the exception of 'fundamentalisms', and 'clampdowns on civil society' which i think u might mean 'freedoms', and 'less overdevelopment and ecological overshoot' which is a genuine, large difficult systems-based issue, those things are not bad. the un does stuff peacefully and with care giving opportunities for engagement at every step of a really long period of time, and i've found it to be well-grounded in evidence based research. i would say they need to formally adopt tor and i2p, the :butterfedyC: fediverse and xmpp today to continue that trend as internet protocol and email is no longer fit for purpose for engagement, and controlled by the corporates. that would be a big complaint of the UN i have. technological sovereignty is needed.
> (your stated creation the UN) dubious ppl may often do occasional philanthropy to get cred, yea, this is a thing, an issue....its important ppl dont fall to their knees the moment someone says they are part of some philanthropic thing, agree!!!
> (my cut off summary of fascism consistent with dictionary, 'ur fascism' and other definitions)
pls dont cut up my words to strawman me
im "done here" when we reach some sort of understanding, i think we almost there
> proximity to one of these schools is not weird tbh.
I say that I am familiar with this school, not that it's strange to be near one. Your rate of ignoring the substance to take issue with a parenthetical is straining credulity.
> anything in "new york"
I wouldn't even take a shit in New York. Occidental College is in Pasadena.
> yeah the UN so called "headquarters" are in a bad spot, agree, i guess?
The physical location had nothing to do with it.
> with the exception of 'fundamentalisms', and 'clampdowns on civil society' which i think u might mean 'freedoms', and 'less overdevelopment and ecological overshoot' which is a genuine, large difficult systems-based issue,
I don't think you read what I wrote. Go click the link. I don't think you know what I think. You've managed to get it wrong every time (but never managed to just ask). The likely reason is that you don't read what I write when we talk, and the likely reason for this is that you don't have any interest. It is fine: I don't expect most people are interested in what I think about anything, but I don't plan to participate in half a conversation, so I have asked you to leave me out of it. The holy UN is a neoliberal article of faith and I want nothing to do with discussing religion with a zealot.
So I cite the UN's own documents, you say things like "(your stated creation the UN)". I've made it all up, evidently. You don't even have to pick up a book, you can pick up Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumbarton_Oaks_Conference#Nelson_Rockefeller's_role . Hey, Rockefeller, Dulles...and Nazis in Argentina! Oh, and when Tucci said "fascists" and "Nazis", he knew what those words meant.
> im "done here" when we reach some sort of understanding, i think we almost there
I tell you days ago that I am done discussing this. If you think we're remotely in agreement, then I have been too polite. I suggest we agree to disagree, I put jokes in there, I said that this thread was you doing fascism. I try not to be too aggressive with people that are not aggressive: anyone feels like an asshole if they kick a cat. But I think you confuse the meaning of politeness. I've seen this shit before, it was the same shit that fell out of the neolib starter kit brochure that we all received as teenagers. You insist on eating that shit with a spoon, and I feel the same way about it as any other form of coprophilia, though much more strongly. I do not care if you want to eat that shit sandwich and smile: it's your prerogative, and I do not intend to convince or compel anyone. However, you've intentionally ignored me when I asked to be left out of it: it's like an aggressive salesman, it's like a door-to-door preacher, it's like someone jacking off on the bus. Please do not involve me.
:neolib: Fucking Hitler was less underhanded and his simps only have to claim that *one* historical event didn't happen. :neolib:
So, please understand: I am done discussing this with you, I am not asking again. neoliberal.png
>The U.N. (IP arm) exists for organizations like Microsoft i despise patents on foundational tools. anything that is a tool everyone needs to live, should not be patentable, so tech you need to use a computer to reach the internet, there should be no patents on that. I AM against fraud though so don't say ur AMD, or RYF brand unless you are those brands/accrediations, people do look at brands to infer quality. So i'm not against the UN standing up for that part of IP. I also think that any IP over 50 years old and of significant cultural value, just needs to go into the public domain. I don't know whether we need a body with much clout to do that, but yeah we NEED to get back there instead of back-pedaling terribly.
the more i think about how i've been conditioned, i think the UN plays the good cop in the "good cop, bad cop" part of western geopolitics. i think they say a lot in opposition to bad things that happen and are happening but when they are asked to intervene they dont, they are too removed at all times so they just defer, look at the war on yugoslavia. They say it was illegal for the US to do what they did but they later said, "illegal but excusable", they are like a mouthpiece without a means. the mouth can be great but if not backed up by actions all it does it act as a sounding board at best and a delaying tactic at worst.
The Guardian tauts itself as "capitalisms conscience", and i've found them lacking in a number of areas INCLUDING on the topic of Assange, and of overconsumption driven by the sheer number of people on the planet, and on technofeudalism. i wonder if the UN plays a similar role of "capitalisms conscience", says a lot but goes MIA.
I will say that not all the people that i consider downstream of the UN are bad/or even corrupt, i think some a doing the best they can. some i consider fighters just like me, but are they fighting to get further up the UN ladder or are they fighting a fight for the people maybe they are doing both. but yeah i find those with mmt fetish repulsive.
>there is not a solution (to unwanted births) that you can just deliver
its not "a solution" no, not implying simplicity. Education, family planning services, contraception. They are vital things, but not magic....diligence and care needed.
>Family Jewels leak by Ford
?
>Nixon
an ignorant muppet. did brutal things for the benefit of "united fruit company", and brutal stuff w the cia in many places. terrible person. are you saying he turned a corner in the mid-late seventies, if so, his type often do this for their public image, legacy, public safety post-office.... its performative, staged, too little too late. etc trump is same. ppl say "banned from twit?" pls! he/or they WANTED him to have a break from corporate media. he put on a bit show, allowed himself to be useless to the ppl for 4 years, allowed the worst elements to enrich themselves, and print money while just saying look at the stock market aren't i a great president. TruthSoc was just an astroturf psyop served on cloudflare like all false shit is.
> (Wikipedia)functions as either a starting point or at least a baseline for quality
i say no. quote sources they use at a minimum, pls.
>German reliance on Russian fuel
yes, i think in the lead up to wwii there was a pact to serve each others needs also, BUT the money from the uk and us bankers and industrialists was able to derail any and all efforts (possibly fascist efforts so not excusing them) there.
germany DID attack the UK in ww2 but it was a short and limited attack, it seemed that the main interest of germany was indeed russia, and russia did lose 20 million fighting the germans, and was able to finally defeat them, but yeah i also don't personally want to get drawn into a WW2 discussion either. altho we DO have all the time in our entire lives ahead of us so.... :P
>Fedilist i MAY have seen this?
>difficult to find a client that was not written in Java i2pd (written in c++ and its improving all the time just like the java based router). There's a partly written rust router somewhere too, in case anyone interested.
>kademlia plus venti ?
>the White House believes that you can't even have a Biden without censorship) and so the question is moot if anti-censorship tools proliferate not moot, they uniparty
i <3 ur work, and yes this IS ALL work.... thanks++
@frogzone@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@cvnt This is long and there is not a lot of whitespace in it and I am not convinced that reading it is a good idea because I have shit to do (https://fsebugoutzone.org/apotheosis and also the pursuit of :ancapjollyrodger: fabulous lucre :ancapchanlol:) so before I try to decipher this, I would like to give you a fair notice if it turns out to be a waste of time, I will yell terrible things at you until you throw your computer into the river.
It's fine if we're not, just it'd be better to avoid implying gullibility.
> i will be keeping a very close eye on the un from now on, thanks. it is never made clear that the imf is a un entity even in the alternative media outlets, i think its because they have member states that differ from the un itself.
Yeah: everywhere that the UN is funded by taxes, the UN has a sterling public image. Every sacred cow has the prion disease, no exceptions.
> i'm not against gay and trans
Neither am I; a person's body is their own.
> if they are not physically hurting themselves or others then let them be.
I don't think "perceived harm" is the best guideline, but that's a long thing.
> 80 million unwanted births is criminal.
I don't know; I don't know what constitutes an "unwanted birth" but these things, people try to solve all at once: eighty million weird fuckin' situations and those situations had people that worried about them full-time and there is not a solution that you can just deliver.
> btw, the UN website is served by amazon, microsoft, akamai so thats a strike against them imv. you cant be MITM by corpofash and not have the corpofash benefit, so....
Well, I don't think they are fascist, but they're terrible at any rate; but the U.N. is not accidentally providing some benefit to Microsoft. The U.N. exists for organizations like Microsoft: https://www.wipo.int/en/web/respect-for-ip
> i do remember them pumping MMT a sh!tload.
Yeah, you wanna hear some conspiracy theories, I have some fuckin' conspiracy theories. Here's one: the Family Jewels leak by Ford was retaliation for the CIA screwing Nixon, and Nixon was screwed in order to keep him from reversing the suspension of Bretton Woods.
> i think the dfficulty will be forming bodies that are able to act as a countervailing force to these big institutions.
River makes a canyon; you don't make a canyon by making a competing plateau. I think Che's book is more important than it gets credit.
> don't try to correlate people to nazi's because they also don't like wikipedia,
Oh, don't be facile, it's not "don't like Wikipedia", *I* don't like Wikipedia, *nobody* likes Wikipedia, but every time I say "For more on that point (that is, so that you can go read yourself) here's the Wikipedia page, and it functions as either a starting point or at least a baseline for quality, a proof that someone has written about it enough to get a Wikipedia page." to a certain type of person, that type of person immediately discards the point and starts bitching about Wikipedia. I don't like the U.N., but I have cited the UDHR on the FSE blog (not as an authority to lean on, but as an example of how one might articulate the principle of freedom of speech); I don't think I need to like Wikipedia to cite it, and I don't think I should have to explain this every time I use the modern equivalent of "To find out more, visit your local library." I'm not a communist, I hate communism, but I liked Che's book.
Just that I have seen that, and that I have observed its use by one group, and that group invariably uses it for one purpose; I cannot avoid associating it. If someone starts doing a blitzkrieg or whatever, it's a tactic that was used by a specific group, it'll invite comparisons to that group. So that "Hitler liked healthcare", not comparable: it's not a parallel to a distinctive feature, it's just a similarity. If we were to point out, say, the German reliance on Russian fuel and their willingness to declare war regardless, that would be a parallel to a distinctive situation.
> really though we know that wars are terribly muddy things and so i always try to look for the source, how it manifested and in the case of fascist rise of germany it was PREDOMINANTLY investment from the US and UK,
In order to believe that they were trying to put a Hitler in Germany, you'd have to think they planned the war to begin with. It's a really obvious contradiction. I don't want to do WW2.
> ESPECIALLY over i2p. are you an i2p enthusiast urself?
Fedilist supports Tor-only instances but does not support i2p-only instances yet. I don't have much to say about i2p: it was difficult to find a client that was not written in Java, and I am not building out any infrastructure on top of Java. If you have any curiosity about how I feel about the network's structure in general, I describe Revolver as kademlia plus venti nearly every time someone asks. I'd rather continue working on that than argue about what constitutes a Hitler, because you cannot have a Hitler or a Stalin without censorship (it appears the White House believes that you can't even have a Biden without censorship) and so the question is moot if anti-censorship tools proliferate. che_guevara--guerilla_warfare.pdf
@p@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@cvnt ok we are on the same side, i will be keeping a very close eye on the un from now on, thanks. it is never made clear that the imf is a un entity even in the alternative media outlets, i think its because they have member states that differ from the un itself.
i'm not against gay and trans because i like people to be the soul they want to be, if they are not physically hurting themselves or others then let them be. The reason that fink says trans lives matter is likely he wants kids to mutilate themselves, with bigpharma offerings, and to show opposition to russia. anyway my big thing is ensuring women and girls get an education to help them self actuate and be better mothers, eventually, but if they dont want to add ever more people to the planet then also having access to contracption and family planning services is soooo important. I think every chilid deserves to be wanted. 80 million unwanted births is criminal.
btw, the UN website is served by amazon, microsoft, akamai so thats a strike against them imv. you cant be MITM by corpofash and not have the corpofash benefit, so....
and yes i will say that when i was at meetups with academics who i considered downstream to the UN, i do remember them pumping MMT a sh!tload. so yeah, these people need to be examined closely, i agree with you.
mmt for me but dog-eat-dog tablescraps for thee? mmt is just a rebrand of current post 1970 neoliberal fiat disaster experiment but they do a great job of marketing the mmt brand.
i think the dfficulty will be forming bodies that are able to act as a countervailing force to these big institutions. so one needs to have a solid moral ground. i did i was against mmt and i got invited less and less to these academic timewasting exercises. don't try to correlate people to nazi's because they also don't like wikipedia, hitler liked healthcare so.... really though we know that wars are terribly muddy things and so i always try to look for the source, how it manifested and in the case of fascist rise of germany it was PREDOMINANTLY investment from the US and UK, the money speaks louder than other pacts and treaties as we have seen in recent years. Russia had a Minsk Agreement that france and gernamy were supposed to uphold with ukraince but chose not to. in fact in was the agreement with russia that delayed russia intervention of the ethnic slaughter in eastern ukrain.
so who created this situation, europe, under the colonial rule of the usa with its thousands of outposts on the continent. its pretty obvious to any observer that they wanted this war on russia.
anyway yes please spread the use of i2p and tor, and keep self hosting and helping more people to self host ESPECIALLY over i2p. are you an i2p enthusiast urself?
What? qt6 is a library and the DevTerm is ARM. If you are talking about the screenshot, that's old, that's qt4, I think. I used to use luakit, so I had to build qt back then, too.
"x64" is not real, and it's a stupid coinage: 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, these are x86 CPUs. The 64-bit ISA is called, depending, AMD-64 or x86-64. Microsoft came up with "x64" because "AMD-64" had AMD's name in it, "x86-64" has too many SCARY NUMBERS, and changing "32" to "64" in "IA-32" wouldn't work because the "I" part is no longer true.
> You can also place ram usage limits on your apps
Did you just send someone that has been using Linux since the 90s a StackOverflow link where the only piece of information is the ulimit man page? Do kids these days actually not know how to type `man ulimit`? Do you call /bin/sh an "app"?
:tyrellshades: Why don't you like these pipes? :elliotthinking: Because they leak. :tyrellshades: Show me where it leaks! :elliotmanic2: Here, here, here... :tyrellshades: But duct tape is so cheap! :elliot: ...
Nothing you are telling me makes C++ less shitty to use. None of it makes C++ programs less shitty.
> It's on the todo list try it out.
I am not a fan.
> Good thing you didn't see how cancerous VB.net was.
I lived through it. I had already ditched Windows for Linux by then. I saw happy99 and Code Red and nimda and Slammer in the news. (And happy99 in my inbox.) I was there.
C++ was already shit in 1998 and it has not gotten any smaller or more manageable. That is 26 years ago. I don't know what you write, maybe C++ makes sense for you, it has never made any sense for anything I have ever written in my life and 1998 is before most people on fedi were born.
That having been said, "I don't wanna argue about languages" doesn't give me much room so shit on C++, so I will now shit on C++.
> It's built out of C, in fact you can if you want to just strip it down just to use C functions.
C++ has not been a superset of C for 15, 20 years. It bears a superficial resemblance to C. Bjarne keeps tacking more shit on. It takes a year to compile anything, and the shit that comes out eats RAM like it's just gotten back from being stranded on a desert island with no RAM. C++ applications are the only ones that regularly crash on this machine.
Every time I touch a C++ program, I get angry: it's always a mess. It always uses some shitty build system that generates 8kB long compiler invocations. Building qt6 on the DevTerm was horrifying, because 4GB of RAM is insufficient for a C++ compiler in current year.
The team that set out to build a better C++ ended up producing Rust. Think about that for a minute.
> So I'm not really understanding this statement. Give me example where performance is lacking.
> btw from what i understand, java is REALLY not that much more consumptive than C.
I am a programmer and I have deployed Java and I have even written some Java and I hate Java and I hate the JVM and it's not due to its performance. C++ has terrible performance anyway.
Also if you confuse C with C++ again, I would like to remind you that my left fist is called Justice and my right fist is also called Justice.
> what is ur reason for not liking java for an i2prouter.
Because I don't like it for anything, especially for something I don't use.
> its been around for AGES, many issues have been patched, its foss, etc.
I don't know if you mean Java or i2p but I hate the former and have, as mentioned, no real reason to care about the latter.
@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@p@cvnt btw from what i understand, java is REALLY not that much more consumptive than C. what is ur reason for not liking java for an i2prouter. its been around for AGES, many issues have been patched, its foss, etc.
@p SCO claimed "ownership" of many things, but as a court found out, that was all a lie.
SCO was an attack against GNU, but if SCO actually named the GNU and informed many people of GNU's existence, their and microsoft's plans would be ruined.
SCO spent ages looking through Linux's source to find copying of Unix kernels and all they found was some lines in time.h (memory, might be a different header file) that by coincidence were similar - and even the judge said "Is this all you got?".
I believe SCO actually distributed a version of GNU/Linux, so even if they had valid patents (they didn't), they had agreed to license them under the terms of the GPLv2.
microsoft is of course continuing to never name the GNU in places where it knows most people will read (the only time I've seen them naming the GNU is part of a LGPLv2.1 & LGPLv3 exception for reverse engineering in the windows copyright notice - as they know almost nobody reads that) - the most recent case where microsoft blacklists the execution of old versions of GNU GRUB on the computers they infect and of course the CVE says "Linux GRUB2 boot loader".
NetBSD supports VAX still. Wonder if they've dropped Itanic.
> That said, Itanium's spirit lives on in Elbrus/E2K, partially fueled by my tax money.
The, uh...
> The Elbrus 2000 (or e2k; Russian: Эльбрус 2000) is a Russian 512-bit wide VLIW microprocessor developed by Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies (MCST) and fabricated by TSMC.
Holy fucking shit.
> the Elbrus 2000 architecture implements dynamic data type-checking during execution.
This is actually kinda cool. It seems like something that'd run better as a coprocessor, though. Like, even on a conventional CPU, 90% of the time (90%!) is spent waiting for the memory bus. 20 instructions per clock would have to be way worse. So a regular CPU doing the regular CPU stuff for an OS with this insane VLIW coprocessor, that would be pretty cool.
@p@cvnt@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@frogzone >NetBSD supports VAX still. Wonder if they've dropped Itanic. It's still listed on the ports page: https://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/ia64/, but apaprently it's still "work in progress" without any stable releases. The second last page in the mailing list archive is a discussion on dropping it from a year ago: https://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-ia64/2023/05/thread1.html >So a regular CPU doing the regular CPU stuff for an OS with this insane VLIW coprocessor, that would be pretty cool. Sounds close to PS3's Cell architecture, albeit I don't think it's VLIW. That said, Itanium might be giving VLIW a bad reputation, Crusoe was also VLIW and performed well enough until Pentium M dropped; sadly it never gave developers access to underlying ISA without the x86 translation layer.
> apaprently it's still "work in progress" without any stable releases.
:pressf:
> Sounds close to PS3's Cell architecture,
There's a lot of stuff that works like that, tight bus with a coprocessor. (The PS3's architecture is basically "yank one node out of Blue Gene".)
> Crusoe was also VLIW
Well, Linus was at Transmeta and he has spent the years since then railing about the horrors of complicated CPU designs; I have not heard good things about the Crusoe from anyone that had direct exposure to the chip.
@p Ah, it was on a public access machine. A namefag on one of chatroom altchans here apparently was a MCST employee and managed to sneak 2hu into one of the official presentations. Would've shown the screenshot if archive.org's 14.4k USR Sportster used as their only uplink wasn't saturated to hell.
>Even now, nobody outside Microsoft's ecosystem uses it, for obvious reasons. It's baffling: 64 is less than 86, and what does the "x" stand for? It stands for "Microsoft is retarded."
Retarded or not it's still in use. Even gcc references it in its own libraries.
> That and also limits the stack and heap that a program can request from the system.
THIS IS AN OS CONVENTION
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CPU ARCHITECTURE
THERE IS NO ARCHITECTURE NAMED "X64"
THE "X" DOES NOT MEAN "WHICHEVER MANUFACTURER"
IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH 64-BIT MIPS, 64-BIT RISC-V, 64-BIT ARM
x86 IS A FAMILY OF CHIPS THAT SHARE A COMMON ISA
THE "X" IS BECAUSE THE MODELS, ALL CREATED BY INTEL, HAD A PART NUMBER ENDING IN "86"
INTEL SUING AMD FOR CLONING ITS 80386 ET CETERA AND WRITING "80386" ON THE CHIP AND THE BOX IS HOW WE GOT THE ESTABLISHED CASE LAW THAT NUMBERS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO TRADEMARK
IT IS WHY INSTEAD OF A CHIP CALLED THE "80586", INTEL RELEASE A CHIP IT CALLED THE "PENTIUM", IT MEANS "FIVE"
YOU ARE MAKING UP INSANE ZOOMER SHIT AND THEN TELLING IT TO SOMEONE THAT WAS ALIVE AND SAW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED
> You can also not use any of the "standard libraries"
Are you going to tell me anything that I don't know? I am not going to write anything in C++ and I have a shitty day every time I have to touch something someone else wrote in C++ and more than I hate C++, I hate being advocated at.
> That's why it's prefixed with an X. The processor could be from any manufacturer (AMD, Intel, etc)
FUCKING NO THAT IS NOT WHY IT HAS AN "X" ON THE FRONT
>C++ was already shit in 1998 and it has not gotten any smaller or more manageable. That is 26 years ago.
You can also not use any of the "standard libraries"
>"x64" is not real, and it's a stupid coinage: 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, these are x86 CPUs. The 64-bit ISA is called, depending, AMD-64 or x86-64. Microsoft came up with "x64" because "AMD-64" had AMD's name in it
That's why it's prefixed with an X. The processor could be from any manufacturer (AMD, Intel, etc) but it's made for whether an application can run with a it can run on 64 bit processor or 32 bit processors in mind. That and also limits the stack and heap that a program can request from the system.
>fucked up social experiment with micro transactions
Micro trans Phasing out single player games DRM Always online Lack of QA Day 1 patching Patching out content Game Pass Trying to phase out physical media Retards on both sides of gamer gate and the insufferable pricks who want it back.
The PS3 Wii 360 era was the last great console generation. Now it's disgusting what everyone is doing. Even PC is on a losing battle, more so than ever.
I was shocked that my Xbox S or whatever can still play 360 games. I immediately bought Red Dead Redemption, after knowing that. It was great :HappyDanielS:
Thank goodness for emulators too. Like would it really kill them to do backwards compatibility. At least ps5 plays ps4 and soon ps3 games, but I have a shitton of much older games that I paid for and want to play.
@p@cvnt@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@frogzone >Until Longhorn leaked, nobody had heard the term "x64" First publicly accessible Longhorn build to support amd64/x64 was 4051 (compiled on 2003-10-01) which wasn't leaked but given out to devs at PDC 2003, and as far as I know it doesn't refer to itself as x64 anywhere. M$ was developing an amd64 port of XP (actually Server 2003 with client SKU) in parallel, and build 3790.1137 (compiled on 2003-11-20) at that point was referred to as "64-Bit Edition For 64-bit Extended Systems". It appears the "x64 Edition" moniker was conceived only sometime in 2004 as the build 3790.1173 (2004-03-18) is the first one with screenshots to refer to itself as such. Even then, M$ continued to use "amd64" internally as it can be seen, for example, in any of the ISOs before they switched to packing system files in WIM. Needless to say, it's a clusterfuck. >It's baffling: 64 is less than 86, and what does the "x" stand for? Wait until you see Linux's x32 ABI.
I know enough about C++ that you are not going to tell me anything new. I've played with the Fibonacci template. It is a dopey language, I can see why the compiler is slow.
> So I have and here's what I found, kinda proving my point.
It is fine if you don't know something. It is irritating if you lecture me about shit I was present for.
"Page 1 of Google" is not a substitute for research. Some jagoff makes shit up, writes it on quora, then you cite it to support the shit you made up. Later, some *other* jagoff will be cherry-picking shit to support his incorrect usage and will find your post and cite *that*. Try finding a primary source, for once. I am old, I was there, and I can tell you that, on god, quora is cap, frfrfr. It is also stupid to try to prove something that I was present for.
Here is how you do etymology: you develop a familiarity with the old sources, you find usage of the words, you find usage of precursors to the words, you build a chain of how a word came down by looking at historical usage. This is REALLY GODDAMN EASY TO DO WITH COMPUTERS because the history is not so long also EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED HAD A COMPUTER
Go start here: https://wiki.c2.com/?ExEightySix . (If you don't know what the C2 wiki is, that's part of the test.) This is a normal pattern: 80x86 means /^80.86$/. You see people refer to the m68k, but you also see them refer to the 68k20; somewhat less frequently, you will see "680x0", not because some other manufacturer was making 68k chips, but because the person that writes "680x0" is referring to the family of chips designated 68000, 68010, 68020, etc. (Here's an example of usage: https://wiki.c2.com/?FreePascal .)
You play an old NES game and Megaman was created in 20XX, Earthbound took place in 199X. Movies did this sometimes. Science fiction books. "80x86" has nothing to do with manufacturer-independence, just a placeholder for a digit.
"80x86" was shortened to "x86". We would say thay shit out loud: "eighty X eighty-six". Here's the Spring 1992 issue of 2600, they mention the "80X86" on page 4. (If you don't know what 2600 is, that's part of the test.) Check Phrack 49:14. (If you don't know what Phrack is, that's part of the test.)
I don't have easy access to a USENET archive but I am certain that it would be pretty simple to dig up early mentions of the chip. TUHS might have something. (If you don't know what TUHS or USENET are, that's part of the test.)
`grep -i x86 /lib/rfc/rfc????` had a mention of x86 in 1710: "It is unlikely that Intel would develop a new processor in the X86 family that did not run DOS and the tens of thousands of applications which run on the current versions of X86's." The author referred to x86 as a CPU family developed by Intel.
Here's the LKML from 2004: https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=107766481408468&w=2 . (If you don't know what the LKML is, that's part of the test.) Jun Nakajima calls it "AMD64" and he's an Intel employee. "x86-64" is a term that was created as a generic term; "AMD64" didn't sound generic enough. That's what it was called, though: x86, amd64. "x86-64" is unwieldy. Until Longhorn leaked (if you don't know what Longhorn is, that's part of the test), nobody had heard the term "x64": it's a Microsoft coinage. Even now, nobody outside Microsoft's ecosystem uses it, for obvious reasons. It's baffling: 64 is less than 86, and what does the "x" stand for? It stands for "Microsoft is retarded."
Now you *have* heard of all of those things, if you hadn't before, and you can stop embarrassing yourself and annoying old people. 2600--09-1_spring_1992.pdf
>Are you going to tell me anything that I don't know?
I don't know what you know.
>I am not going to write anything in C++ and I have a shitty day every time I have to touch something someone else wrote in C++ and more than I hate C++, I hate being advocated at.
K....
>FUCKING NO THAT IS NOT WHY IT HAS AN "X" ON THE FRONT FUCKING LOOK IT UP
So I have and here's what I found, kinda proving my point.
Are you sure you aren't confusing it with cpu architecture yah boomer 🤓
For a while, after it was scrapped, you could get them for a song. Now they're hipster gear but they're still not hard to find: https://www.ebay.com/itm/335523012796
> It appears the "x64 Edition" moniker was conceived only sometime in 2004 as the build 3790.1173 (2004-03-18) is the first one with screenshots to refer to itself as such.
I believe that. I remember where I was working and making fun of the Windows guy for calling it "x64" and for being super jazzed about Longhorn.
Boss at that place had the biggest G5 Mac ever sold, he came in hung over one day, moved his mouse, picked his mouse up, Post-it note on the bottom, it said "Good MORNING" but I don't think he saw. He cursed but very quietly, dude must have had a pounding headache, threw the Post-it over his shoulder, shook the mouse and...Windows XP desktop. Green field, blue taskbar, Fisher-Price buttons. Three coders trying to keep their faces straight while the gears turned: "They could not have installed Windows on this, it's a G5...The screen has Windows on it..." So he tries, to our amazement, to pretend everything is fine, but Putty wasn't installed and there was no network cable plugged into it. Eventually, still a little wobbly, he gets up and finds the crappy "Dell Tiny Computer: Secretary Edition" box behind his massive G5 tower, and plugs his keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the correct machine, slumps into his chair, and sends his girlfriend a message asking her if there's any coffee in the front and if she could bring him some.
@p@SilverDeth >"gamers are going to have to get used to" Majority of gamers are nigger cattle incapable of recalling history. Remember StarForce and how it broke systems with its ring 0 driver? Now "anticheats" do exactly the same thing and no one cares, games with it gets tens if not hundreds of thousands players online.
Philippe Tremblay. He pulls this shit at Ubisoft, torches Ubisoft, then goes somewhere else and does the same thing and because no one notices it was the same guy doing the same shit, there's a "HOW COULD $NEW_COMPANY_THE_SAME_GUY_WORKS_AT DO THIS?" It's like this at news organizations, any industry.
These "gamers are going to have to get used to" bullshit statements don't come from people that care about what their studio churns out. It's always rent-seekers that don't even play games. This guy was a UI designer, ten years, mostly shovelware movie/TV license titles, half the time on mobile games, then suddenly Director of Subscriptions for the last two years, and presumes to dictate what people he dislikes "will have to get used to".
> And I will continue to play 30 year old DOS box games on a 2,000.00 gaming rig.
Some post from 2020, a guy says "You know what's fucked up? 1980 is 40 years ago, but it is also 20 years ago."
@SuperDicq@r000t@NonPlayableClown@ins0mniak@cvnt I didn't write the survey, but the usual answer is "That is not an answer that would have been useful to the people conducting the survey." If you are a propaganda/enforcement arm of some .eu intellectual property subcommittee, "I'd buy it if there was no DRM" does not give you an action item: they want to know which thing to put in their propaganda, not how to stop piracy.
Imagine the goverment giving a survey on "how they can help" The option of "nothing" or "piss off" will not exist. There's a budget to be made and suckers to scam.
@NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol Yeah this poll already makes the presumption that piracy is a bad thing that should be stopped in the first place without changing anything about why the phenomenon exists in the first place.
Not a very neutral way to look at stuff. This is also how we ended up in the "war on drugs".
@NonPlayableClown@SuperDicq@cvnt@r000t@ins0mniak Well, you know, it's like any job. Guy at the burger stand asks if you want a single or double, with or without cheese, bacon, etc., and you say "What I really want is a place with a little yard. Grow some tomatoes." He didn't ask that because there's nothing actionable for him.
>This isn't east vs. west. This is emptying out the cities. People will have yards again. People will know who their neighbors are, because if they don't, their neighbors might explode.
I agree 1000 man. That's why I like the suburbs. People friendly and you not missing any thing by being in the city. Especially now with the tech available to commute online. People here complaining about down DC dying because everyone discovered work at home. Not my problem lol.
>CHICKENS, YOU CAN HAVE CHICKENS ALSO
I'd get chickens, Id love chickens but I just got a cat and I'm trynna manage that.
Tho funny thing now that I think about it, there was a lady here who was starting fires and such.....
This isn't east vs. west. This is emptying out the cities. People will have yards again. People will know who their neighbors are, because if they don't, their neighbors might explode.
> Yeah I'm ready for that, I have a go bag and I can get the cat into a carrier at a quick notice.
DUDE, IF YOU EXPLODE IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT BAG YOU HAVE
Like, its an efficient way to have a place to sleep. The housing market has been brutalized with codes and regulation to the point where it becomes necessary in high density population areas.
Tho, I say that as someone who could go get another one tomorrow if my place burned down.
@mrsaturday@Hyperhidrosis@NonPlayableClown@cvnt@frogzone@mischievoustomato@realman543 Either the laws made to protect people from themselves (e.g., drugs, safety regulations, etc.) are completely useless and we've slashed government regulation, or they are there for a good reason and removing them results in the people that are too dumb to live rectifying God's mistakes.
I mean, we have second-order effects, too: do you think cities will be *this* crowded when people can legally own as much dynamite as they want and they can hide it under their bed? Would *you* live in an apartment building? Neither would anyone else...if they had any sense. And the people without sense, that's how the omelette gets made.
> a) when you sell nfts for lucrative sums in 2021 that is a sign you had a deal with satan yes, well done.
There is nothing wrong with NFTs. There is nothing wrong with lucrative sums. If that's what a deal with Satan is, then hail Satan.
> b) your threats of porno don't scare me I disabled downloading images for this thread a good solid while ago cos hellthread
It's not supposed to be a threat that actually scares anyone. If you couldn't tell, it was a joke. If you could not tell, when I say "I hate being targeted with 'advocacy'" I am not joking, though the threats of spamming pornography should have been understood as a joke in this context, as they also appeared on a list that included hacking people's instances if they tried to discuss distros.
So, let me drop the joke: if you think I have the wrong opinion, I don't care. I think you have the wrong opinion. The world is a big place and there is no urgency. If I have, over the course of the last month during which this conversation has taken place, repeatedly said "I don't want to talk about that, it's boring" and you ignored it, I am going to start to wonder whether you ignore reasonable requests on purpose.
> i have not listed all the torrent clients compatible with i2p.
I'd like to be untagged; there's one question I had and I got an answer and I don't care about the rest.
> i purposefully listed the normie method to host content because its unique
I do not and have not cared about that shit. I am going to gas the normies.
Let me clarify: like Archimedes of Syracuse before me, I shall exercise the divine right of the engineer to set fire to anyone that I think should be on fire.
So I am going to ask B'nai B'rith to sponsor my "Holocaust Museum" that includes a replica of Auschwitz, and I'm going to make sure the oven works and then I am going to Best Buy and I am going to Sears and I am going to to every sales conference and I am going to Applebee's and I am going to all of the tract homes and I am going to the Jonas Brothers concert and I am going to McDonald's and I am going to HR and I am going to yoga classes and I am going to everywhere that sells smoothies and I am going to soccer practice and I am going to weekend softball leagues and I am going to the block party and I am going to the leadership summit and I am going to the peaceful protests and I am going to the riots and I am going back to HR (to make sure I got them all), and I am taking those people, and I am putting them into the oven. Do you understand me? I am going to set those people on fire. I'm going to burn them to boil water to turn a turbine to generate electricity to mint NFTs commemorating their own deaths and then I will sell those to other normies that I will then burn. The profits from the NFTs will be used to build more ovens.
So, no, I don't really care that they have a built-in webserver. Sign of bloat. Bad tech. The devs are retarded. (They will make fine NFTs.)
(This is, of course a joke: if we just legalize everything, remove all warning labels, etc., the normies will end up killing themselves, which is a much more efficient solution.) gas_the_normies.png
@p@realman543@cvnt@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@frogzone >if we just legalize everything, remove all warning labels, etc., the normies will end up killing themselves, which is a much more efficient solution. I don't know if I could ever truly come around to that line of thinking, but holy shit, that line is making a strong case for it.
a) when you sell nfts for lucrative sums in 2021 that is a sign you had a deal with satan yes, well done.
b) your threats of porno don't scare me I disabled downloading images for this thread a good solid while ago cos hellthread
c) torrenting over clearnet is only for stupid ppl, who want their privacy invaded, there has been nothing ive missed uing i2p, ifsomething over i2p and not available (rare) ppl ask for it in easy to find and use place and the torrent fast appears. i have not listed all the torrent clients compatible with i2p.
d) you are acting like one of those genies that always gets the idea wrong for comedic effect. i purposefully listed the normie method to host content because its unique and WORKS until the normie offering by tor ppl, aka onionshare, which is hot garbage. Of course there is a way to do things without having your hand held. The extreme genie act is starting to feel forced to me.
e) someone mentioned i2p being a vpn for poorfags, its not a vpn, its a PN please keep paying for a "virtual" private network lol
It has a torrenter built into the UI or there's a protocol or something, and you can use that to download torrents. Usually it's nothing special. I broke into the I2P torrenting scene for a hot minute and most of the torrents are stuff you can find over the clear web in usually a few clicks. Even worse, most have no seeders, so downloading is impossible. But admittedly it's been a very long time since then. Things might have changed.
I was told once there's some way to bridge I2P's connection so it can be used over the clear net like Tor. If true, this would mean you could plop it's port into your favorite torrenting programs and get maybe 1/2 the speed you'd natively get but for free instead of paying for a VPN.
Realistically, there's no good reason to use it unless you're the poorest of poorfags.
> if you are saying that the c++ language has gotten worse over time, hard to compile etc, I have to disagree, I'm not running a super computer, I have a dinky setup and was able to compile and i2pd application on that.
"I successfully invoked the compiler" does not mean the language does not suck and the ecosystem does not suck and the compiler does not suck and further, it does not imply anything about whether it sucked slightly less 25 years ago. (It sucked significantly less 25 years ago, and 25 years ago it already sucked too much.) I do not like C++ and this thread having turned into a long series of arguments, I will say this: I do not like C++, I have not ever liked C++, and, like the wily squid, using its ink defense, I will start spamming pornography at anyone that wants to argue this point with me. It is a matter of taste: I have good taste, and everyone else has shit taste, this is objectively true and it's a waste of time to try to alter my timeless, unforgivable knowledge, because all it will get you is spam.
That is not to say that "i2pd" sucks, just that it's written in a language that sucks. I also do not have a use for i2p at present. Telling me that i2pd exists and can be compiled is telling me something that (this is the third time I'm saying it) I already know. I have already put this into the thread:
$ ls -lh src/i2pd/build/i2pd -rwxr-xr-x 1 pete users 4.0M Sep 29 2022 src/i2pd/build/i2pd
The timestamp says "2022", because I compiled that program in 2022.
> The list of libraries that i2p uses, last I checked was not huge,
Until I have a use for i2p, I don't care.
> I would encourage returning to the crux of the specific issue.
The crux of the issue is I have no use for i2pd. That is what I wrote. I said I don't see a reason to care aobut i2pd. I tossed in that I question the judgment of the devs because they chose Java; I wrote that not because I want to argue Java, but because I do not respect Java. I have terabytes of pornography to spam at anyone that wants to explain to me that my objectively correct conclusions are wrong and that I should like Java. I have never been wrong in my life. Your failure to listen and understand my genius is your own failure, not mine.
> there is a rust version of i2p
Rust is worse than C++.
> i find tor devs do is the bare minimum
I do not care about exit nodes, I'm skipping this paragraph.
> making the user experience a bit crap,
I do not care about user experience so I'm skipping this paragraph.
> i2p has exits,
I do not care about exit nodes.
I am not open to relitigating Java. I thought that was done and I didn't want to start. I have, hopefully, shot down the Windows jets before they could scramble. I have threatened anyone that wants to discuss C++. I will hack anyone that wants to discuss distros. I would like to be untagged if anyone wants to discuss those topics.
I am interested in the question that I asked, the question that was promptly ignored, and the question that, if it were answered, would actually matter: is there a reason to care about i2p specifically (i.e., a reason that does not also apply to Tor)? Hyperbole above aside, I care about this question's answer and I do not care about i2p unless I know the answer, so I'd like to be left out of further discussion of i2p unless someone can tell me that. I have run it; it didn't get me anything I wanted. So the executable has sat in ~/src for two years, doing nothing, because I don't need it.
@p@cvnt@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@frogzone >is there a reason to care about i2p specifically (i.e., a reason that does not also apply to Tor)? The only one I can think of offhandedly is it can be used to torrent. Whereas I believe the Tor devs specifically slow torrenting down.
@p@NonPlayableClown@mischievoustomato@Hyperhidrosis@cvnt Its mildly entertaining how far this has devolved but at this point I'm going to take a break reading through this wonderful and enlightening history about where these chip numbers came from and say. @p if you are saying that the c++ language has gotten worse over time, hard to compile etc, I have to disagree, I'm not running a super computer, I have a dinky setup and was able to compile and i2pd application on that. And I don't remember a build/library hell issue.
The list of libraries that i2p uses, last I checked was not huge, several encrpytion and hashing libraries and thats it. Its pretty simple and I was able to compile a largish executable file with a very modest system. I think its easy to make general comments but I would encourage returning to the crux of the specific issue. As stated there is a rust version of i2p that is partly done, I'll dig up the like if interested.
> I'm not worried about Tor I'm not worried about it either, they depend on people using it to hide military traffic
> without exit nodes, (i2p)'s far too into geek territory for any normies to use i find tor devs do is the bare minimum so only extremely privacy aware people can use tor safely, if you are an everyday user tor is not really designed for you.... the default setting exposes user to 3rdparty javascript by default, tor devs hide noScript away so new users need to be taught to move it into the toolbar so they can enable js only when they thing its okay. If tor really cared about no fingerprinting then they would include uBlock so as to have the same fingerprint as tailsOS, also by including uBlock. tor/mozilla dont make it easy for people to find offline mode, and when they do its buggy. tor haven't been able to whitelist the most basic svg elements. they force ppl to type long onion addresses whereas i2p allows human-readable addresses. they havn't been able to include the most common google fonts, and lack of fontawesome os ESPECIALLY heinous, fetches to google cloudflae for css (that NEVER DOES ANYTHING i might add) could be EASILY bypassed.... the inclusion of fontawesome alone would be a huge usability leap... they CHOSEN not to do these things for YEARS.
all this is imo, about making the user experience a bit crap, so only the most hardcore privacy enthusiasts will bother with it they really don't want everyone to use it, because its not really designed to scale, its ONLY designed to hide military traffic. The tor exits are all in datacenters and likely monitored for network analysis anyway so use exits at your own risk.
i2p has exits, they 'outproxies' . i2p does torrenting, which has always been a very common thing UNTIL tor people had the weird stipulation that torrenting is bad and not to do it, etc. torrenting is what many normies have done for years, and its i2p that makes it safer.