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@p @NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt Its mildly entertaining how far this has devolved but at this point I'm going to take a break reading through this wonderful and enlightening history about where these chip numbers came from and say. @p if you are saying that the c++ language has gotten worse over time, hard to compile etc, I have to disagree, I'm not running a super computer, I have a dinky setup and was able to compile and i2pd application on that. And I don't remember a build/library hell issue.

The list of libraries that i2p uses, last I checked was not huge, several encrpytion and hashing libraries and thats it. Its pretty simple and I was able to compile a largish executable file with a very modest system. I think its easy to make general comments but I would encourage returning to the crux of the specific issue. As stated there is a rust version of i2p that is partly done, I'll dig up the like if interested.

> I'm not worried about Tor
I'm not worried about it either, they depend on people using it to hide military traffic

> without exit nodes, (i2p)'s far too into geek territory for any normies to use
i find tor devs do is the bare minimum so only extremely privacy aware people can use tor safely, if you are an everyday user tor is not really designed for you.... the default setting exposes user to 3rdparty javascript by default, tor devs hide noScript away so new users need to be taught to move it into the toolbar so they can enable js only when they thing its okay. If tor really cared about no fingerprinting then they would include uBlock so as to have the same fingerprint as tailsOS, also by including uBlock. tor/mozilla dont make it easy for people to find offline mode, and when they do its buggy. tor haven't been able to whitelist the most basic svg elements. they force ppl to type long onion addresses whereas i2p allows human-readable addresses. they havn't been able to include the most common google fonts, and lack of fontawesome os ESPECIALLY heinous, fetches to google cloudflae for css (that NEVER DOES ANYTHING i might add) could be EASILY bypassed.... the inclusion of fontawesome alone would be a huge usability leap... they CHOSEN not to do these things for YEARS.

all this is imo, about making the user experience a bit crap, so only the most hardcore privacy enthusiasts will bother with it they really don't want everyone to use it, because its not really designed to scale, its ONLY designed to hide military traffic. The tor exits are all in datacenters and likely monitored for network analysis anyway so use exits at your own risk.

i2p has exits, they 'outproxies' . i2p does torrenting, which has always been a very common thing UNTIL tor people had the weird stipulation that torrenting is bad and not to do it, etc. torrenting is what many normies have done for years, and its i2p that makes it safer.

so i2p is the ultimate normnymity tool, imo.

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