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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 01:30:54 JST Paul Cantrell

   I just boosted another climate alarm bell.

   Please do not let this feel like doom.

   Please do not miss this paragraph from that link:

   “[The paper] also makes a moral case for immediate and aggressive policies to prevent such a change from occurring, in part by showing how unequal the distribution of pain will be and ••how great the improvements could be with even small achievements in slowing the pace of warming.••”

   https://www.propublica.org/article/climate-crisis-niche-migration-environment-population

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 01:49:10 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Please remember that the Pollution-Industrial Complex has been preparing for •decades• to make the pivot from “there is no climate crisis” to “it’s too late to do anything!”

     Please remember that hopeless doomerism is part of fossil fuel’s PR strategy.

     This isn’t doom. This is all hands on deck. This is “tear down the gates and storm the castle.”

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     wet forest moon folklorist (seachanger@alaskan.social)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 03:16:41 JST wet forest moon folklorist

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     @inthehands doomerism empowers the powerful

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2023 03:16:42 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Hopelessness is a form of complacency.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jul-2023 01:08:32 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Kid Mania

     This assertion from @clintruin is deeply incorrect, both in its framing and its conclusion:

     “In order to be optimistic, one needs to believe humans are basically good”
     https://mastodon.social/@clintruin/110730118465905594

     (humans are not unformly “basically” anything; neither ethics nor psychology work that way; people contradict each other and themselves; positive change can and always has happened in the presence of this complexity)

     …but the fossil fuel industry appreciates the service in spreading their propaganda!

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     Rob Landley (landley@mstdn.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jul-2023 08:44:32 JST Rob Landley

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     • Sarah Taber

     @inthehands @sarahtaber Also known as Sir Humphrey Appleby's "four stage strategy" from Yes Prime Minister:

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

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     ianbobmorris (ianbobmorris@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 11:58:48 JST ianbobmorris

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     @inthehands is there a name for that space between over optimism and doom?

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 11:58:48 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ianbobmorris

     @ianbobmorris
     “Determination?”

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 10:43:14 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Dr. Lucky Tran :verified:
     • unicorndeburgh

     YES!

     “doom evangelists, who flourish on the internet, no matter how much reputable scientists demonstrate their errors”

     “surrendering in advance and inspiring others to do the same”

     “recently many of us climate scientists have spent more time arguing with the doomers than with the deniers”

     “people assume you can’t be hopeful and heartbroken at the same time, and of course you can”

     Thank you, Rebecca Solnit.
     https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/26/we-cant-afford-to-be-climate-doomers

     (ht @unicorndeburgh and @luckytran for posting the link)

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 10:45:24 JST Paul Cantrell

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     These words in particular I encourage everyone to read slowly, one sentence at a time, and absorb deeply:

     “People assume you can’t be hopeful and heartbroken at the same time, and of course you can. In times when everything is fine hope is unnecessary. Hope is not happiness or confidence or inner peace; it’s a commitment to search for possibilities. Feelings deserve full respect as feelings, but all they inform you about is you.”

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 11:42:15 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • wet forest moon folklorist
     • DoomsdaysCW

     @DoomsdaysCW @seachanger
     Respectfully, fuck aaaaall the way off with that bullshit.

     Nobody in this thread is encouraging anyone to “pretend that everything is fine.” If that’s what you get out of all this, you’re reading far too much in haste.

     The Solnit article downthread is the thing you especially need to read.

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     DoomsdaysCW (doomsdayscw@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 11:42:16 JST DoomsdaysCW

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     • wet forest moon folklorist

     @seachanger @inthehands Um, have you seen #DontLookUp? Pretending that everything is fine is also not good.

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     Carolski (carolski@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 11:44:45 JST Carolski

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     @inthehands 💜 Rebecca Solnit. Everything she writes teaches me something.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 11:44:45 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Carolski

     @carolski Yeah, she has just an unreasonably keen eye.

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     morecowbell (morecowbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 13:01:55 JST morecowbell

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     @inthehands You would need to eliminate all conservatives from the planet to even have a chance at addressing global warming.

     Not gonna happen.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 13:01:55 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • morecowbell

     @morecowbell
     Right, because we can only ever solve problems by global planetary consensus?!?

     What a bunch of BS.

     We have always solved problems in spite of conservatism continuing to exist. We’ve beaten it back before, and we sure as hell aren’t going to suddenly caving to it now. Crawl out of you sad-hole and fight, ffs.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 13:10:48 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Diane Hallinen

     @Hallinen
     I appreciate any achievable efforts, and this one has the advantage of also reducing car deaths.

     Incremental gas milage improvements like that are a drop in the bucket, alas. The best thing we can do is (1) listen to the scientists and policy wonks who’ve been mapping out decarbonization plans for years, and (2) throw all our political and social weight behind implementing their recommendations.

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     Diane Hallinen (hallinen@med-mastodon.com)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 13:10:49 JST Diane Hallinen

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     @inthehands A simple fast thing to do in the USA is to lower speed limits to 55 mph. About 17% reduction in fuel use. I hope people start talking about it.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 13:14:41 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Just astonishing how many replies to this thread are basically “But we ARE doomed you idiot,” each with total certitude and no self-awareness.

     People would rather soak in their own self-satisfied cynicism than get up and fight.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 13:17:37 JST Paul Cantrell

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     “If we lose the climate battle, it’ll be due in no small part to this defeatism among the comfortable in the global north, while people in frontline communities continue to fight like hell for survival. Which is why fighting defeatism is also climate work.”

     https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/26/we-cant-afford-to-be-climate-doomers

     …and I reiterate: the fossil fuel industry understands this perfectly well, and they ••want•• your defeatism. Your hopelessness is their PR strategy. Don’t give those fuckers the satisfaction.

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     Nika Shilobod (nikashilobod@fediscience.org)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 13:52:48 JST Nika Shilobod

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     • Zorro Notorious MEB 😡

     @inthehands

     @AlgoCompSynth

     To support you: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-deniers-shift-tactics-to-inactivism/

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 23:50:58 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • wet forest moon folklorist
     • DoomsdaysCW

     @DoomsdaysCW

     “We really need to take our anger to the streets and corporate offices and governments — and let them know that we know what's really going on and aren't buying their BS anymore!”

     YES. This exactly. A systemic fight against systemic problems.

     No expecting someone else to fix it. No more polite waiting. Light a fire under every good actor, and dismantle every bad one.

     And…

     @seachanger

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     DoomsdaysCW (doomsdayscw@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 23:50:59 JST DoomsdaysCW

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     • wet forest moon folklorist

     @inthehands @seachanger I just read it. And I guess that I've seen too much climate denial and apathy from a lot of folks my whole life. To the point where people think, "Oh, well, that sucks. But it can't happen to me." I guess cognitive dissonance and denial are part of human nature when faced with bad news. That's what I meant by the #DontLookUp comment. And as a former journalist, I've seen my share of editors who would rather focus on fluffy kitty stories than reality. Also -- I'm not so sure if the fossil fuel industry has the solutions, or is even capable of doing things that would actually make the situation better (like plugging up methane leaks) -- only worse. We really need to take our anger to the streets and corporate offices and governments -- and let them know that we know what's really going on and aren't buying their BS anymore!

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jul-2023 23:53:09 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • wet forest moon folklorist
     • DoomsdaysCW

     @DoomsdaysCW

     …to the point of my thread and the Solnit, we undertake that fight knowing that we are still in the window where interventions •do• make enormous impact, and therefore ••everything we do now matters••.

     Every fraction of a degree of a warming we prevent saves million of lives, untold suffering. Every fight matters. Every victory matters.

     Again, hopelessness is a form of complacency.

     @seachanger

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 00:00:16 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • wet forest moon folklorist
     • DoomsdaysCW

     @DoomsdaysCW

     (Re Don’t Look Up: I thought its depiction of media dysfunction was brilliant, and the best part of the movie. In many places it missed the mark for me: missed many satirical beats, critiques dulled by personal axes to grind, increasingly clumsy plotting, ultimately an invitation to “they’re all the same” and “we’re all doomed” instead of a call to action. But the “scientists encounter the press” part? Spot on.)

     @seachanger

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:05:07 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ben🌱ui
     • David Sandilands

     @_benui @davidsandilands
     I quibble. Electric cars do not “do nothing.”

     Electric cars are wholly insufficient as a primary climate solution. Transportation and urban layout need •radical• restructuring, and fast.

     Electric cars •are• a useful, and almost certainly necessary, part of that restructuring.

     Mistaking “necessary but not sufficient” for “useless” is a form of defeatism, too. Don’t do that.

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     ben🌱ui (_benui@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:05:08 JST ben🌱ui

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     • David Sandilands

     @davidsandilands @inthehands any solution needs to radically reduce the amount of carbon going into the atmosphere. You've correctly identified that electric cars do nothing. Carbon capture does nothing. Trees are too slow.

     To reduce carbon output by the level needed we need changes on the scale of entire countries. Regulating industries, replacing coal with renewables.

     These big government schemes are usually called "socialist".

     The alternative is individual terrorism against industry.

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     David Sandilands (davidsandilands@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:05:09 JST David Sandilands

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     @inthehands nobody has offered any realistic solutions.

     The focus has wrongly gone on climate deniers who are just a vocal minority rather than answers for the majority on what should be done.

     We have a combination of very wealthy people proposing things such as electric cars and changes to boilers which in the big picture is just pee in the pool and very expensive.

     People pushing their politics socialism disguised as "degrowth".

     Or just generally throwing stones at the global North.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:16:27 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ben🌱ui
     • David Sandilands

     @_benui

     “classic ‘buy a thing to fix a problem’ solution…They think that's enough.”

     Yes. Exactly.

     “electric cars do nothing”

     This is not just false. It is disinformation.

     “Existing governments and political parties will never make the radical changes needed to stop extreme climate change.”

     The fossil fuel industry thanks you. They love this kind of bullshit.

     @davidsandilands

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     ben🌱ui (_benui@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:16:29 JST ben🌱ui

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     • David Sandilands

     @inthehands @davidsandilands the problem is that developed countries are doing their classic "buy a thing to fix a problem" solution. It's like swapping to light bulbs. They think that's enough.

     Existing governments and political parties will never make the radical changes needed to stop extreme climate change. It will take things getting really bad, and people having nothing left to lose, for citizens to force the changes we need.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:43:37 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Aram Sinnreich

     Just to be clear here: you all don’t need to haggle out in mentions what specific climate interventions are and are not best. People who know far more than you or me have been mapping this out for years. Like this from @aram, for example:
     https://aoir.social/@aram/110785924262264007

     The fight now is social and political. It’s about creating the pressure, the will, to implement plans we already have. That’s it. That’s where the fight is.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:45:37 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Which institutions and people in positions of power are ready to act, but need support, need their back covered?

     Which are reluctant to act, but will respond if we light a fire under them?

     Which are actively obstructing, but we can to action to disrupt, disempower, or dismantle?

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:56:51 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ben🌱ui
     • David Sandilands

     @_benui
     “People have tried pushing the Dems to move left, it doesn't work”

     JFC, what kool-aid are you drinking?! The Dems have moved left over the last 25 years, and especially in the last 5, in ways that would have been utterly unthinkable when I was young— including but not limited to climate issues. Don’t get me wrong; politicians piss me off all the time. But the idea that it’s impossible to influence party alignment in the US? Utter bullshit, empirically false.

     1/3

     @davidsandilands

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     ben🌱ui (_benui@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:56:53 JST ben🌱ui

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     • David Sandilands

     @inthehands @davidsandilands seriously though, you live in the US. The Democrats are "the good ones" and Democratic presidents have helped increase fossil fuel output to record highs. Biden claimed during his campaign that he wouldn't let more companies drill, and then when in office, he let them drill.

     People have tried pushing the Dems to move left, it doesn't work. See green new deal.

     What is your suggestion to achieve the huge changes required?

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 01:59:05 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ben🌱ui
     • David Sandilands

     @_benui
     Yes, the Green New Deal dying on the rocks (for now) was a bitter pill. But we were maybe, what, 5 Senate votes away from it passing? 20 years ago, that number would have been more like 50 votes. Don’t tell me political change is impossible.

     In the meantime, the Biden admin got through the largest climate investment in US history:
     https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/08/biden-climate-spending-bill-inflation-reduction-act (and has done more besides).

     You asked what I would do? First: keep the electoral pressure up. It’s working.

     2/3

     @davidsandilands

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:04:55 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ben🌱ui
     • David Sandilands

     @_benui
     Please don’t get me wrong, though: electoral politics are not sufficient. (I’m sure we can agree on that.)

     Climate strikes, local and large-scale. Protesting and obstructing polluters in ways that actually raise their costs. Making life miserable for press who soft-pedal the crisis. List goes on!

     And persuasion. Talking to our communities. It’s unglamorous, but that’s half the work.

     3/3

     @davidsandilands

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:11:39 JST Paul Cantrell

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     And a question I’m increasingly wondering about in seriousness:

     What does it take to drive a fossil fuel company into bankruptcy? Is that something we can do? How?

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:15:03 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Goth'n'Bass

     @gothnbass
     I was just wondering this morning how we could get Musk in charge of Shell or BP. Great minds think alike! Or some kind of minds, anyway

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     Goth'n'Bass (gothnbass@linuxrocks.online)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:15:04 JST Goth'n'Bass

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     @inthehands Game them into trolling us by appointing Elon as CEO?

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     Reinout van Schouwen (reinouts@mastodon.green)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:21:33 JST Reinout van Schouwen

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     @inthehands
     Two words: #StrandedAssets
     Oil companies and investors don't think they will be actually forbidden to pump up known reserves. Once such a restriction is in place, assets on their balance will be stranded and it will go downhill fast.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:25:27 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ben🌱ui
     • David Sandilands

     @davidsandilands @_benui
     Yup, heat pumps and EVs are too expensive for most. They should be subsidized. And they are! But they should be subsidized more.

     Others who are far more knowledge about this than me (and probably you, no offense) have thought hard about tradeoffs and mapped out a variety of plausible strategies. We don’t need to haggle it out here. I’m interested in what social-political power we all have to implement those plans.

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     David Sandilands (davidsandilands@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:25:29 JST David Sandilands

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     • ben🌱ui

     @inthehands @_benui but my point is since electric cars are expensive as capital investment same with gas boilers the impact has to be big because consumers only have so much to give

     It would be better to reduce travel and invest in local facilities and even legislating against companies making people go into offices for no reason.

     The real production cost of producing cheap tat and shipping it round the world has to end too but nobody has faced up to the cost on the poor of that happening.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:30:41 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Something I would like in my mentions here:

     Links to well-researched, well-informed climate action plans. Research on feasibility of decarbonization strategies. People who’ve already done the work of figuring out intervention payoffs and tech tradeoffs, and have assembled those findings into a coherent big picture.

     We don’t need to reinvent this wheel here in the Fediverse. Let’s listen to the people who’ve already been doing the homework.

     Post and I’ll boost.

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     Emile Snyder (esnyder@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:34:17 JST Emile Snyder

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     @inthehands How do you feel about the drawdown project? https://drawdown.org/

     Paul Cantrell repeated this.
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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:35:37 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Emile Snyder

     @esnyder
     I’m not informed enough to evaluate the quality of their specific plans, but in general terms, this is exactly the kind of work we need.

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     Emile Snyder (esnyder@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:37:39 JST Emile Snyder

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     @inthehands It's a couple of years old now, but I keep this bookmarked too: http://worrydream.com/ClimateChange/

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 02:41:23 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Emile Snyder

     @esnyder It’s so good. I love Bret Victor’s work.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:52:23 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ben🌱ui
     • David Sandilands

     @_benui @davidsandilands

     mAnY ThInGs aRe sTiLl bAd, ThErEfOrE PrOgReSs dOeS NoT ExIsT!!

     “Where are the positive changes you claim?”

     In the links I provided.

     This conversation is useless. I’m out.

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     ben🌱ui (_benui@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:52:24 JST ben🌱ui

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     • David Sandilands

     @inthehands @davidsandilands There is study after study showing that CO2 emissions are the same or going up. Fossil fuel production in the US is still massive. Where are the positive changes you claim?
     https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/carbon/

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     ben🌱ui (_benui@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:52:25 JST ben🌱ui

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     • David Sandilands

     @inthehands @davidsandilands You didn't address that Biden promised no more drilling, then approved a gigantic drilling project in Alaska.

     It's the exact thing that the Dems do, make the right noises and then do whatever their donors ask.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:55:30 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ShadSterling

     @ShadSterling

     “figuring out what to do has never been the problem, it’s deciding to do it.”

     Indeed, as per upthread: https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/110787049153878067

     “The engineers have been prepared for a decade, they’re waiting on the politicians”

     Yes, exactly. (Engineers and research scientists too.) I’m looking for links to existing plans so people can stop trying to invent them from scratch on here, and instead focus on that pesky “making it happen” part.

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     ShadSterling (shadsterling@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:55:31 JST ShadSterling

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     @inthehands figuring out what to do has never been the problem, it’s deciding to do it. 1) stop extracting fossil fuels, 2) start refossilizing greenhouse gasses. There’s enough buffering in the system that we wouldn’t need much more mitigation than to ban renewal of any fossil fuel extraction permits or international trade contracts (along with canceling all of the subsidies and unused permits). The engineers have been prepared for a decade, they’re waiting on the politicians

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     Jimmy Havok (jhavok@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:56:41 JST Jimmy Havok

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     @inthehands A nice start would be a climate mitigation tax levied on all fossil fuel producers, to be devoted to projects to reduce CO2. Universal rooftop solar panels would be nice.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 28-Jul-2023 03:56:41 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Jimmy Havok

     @jhavok See downthread: https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/110787049153878067

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     Vuuc (vuuc@troet.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 06:15:16 JST Vuuc

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     @inthehands

     Found about Client Earth an NGO doing exactly that, using the power of the law to fight for climate justice.

     They have an active case filed against Shell's Board of Directors in the UK and over 160 other active cases against governments and corporations.
     They have won cases against Germany for violating air pollution laws and I think other countries too.

     https://www.clientearth.org/latest/latest-updates/news/we-re-taking-legal-action-against-shell-s-board-for-mismanaging-climate-risk/

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     Vuuc (vuuc@troet.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 06:15:18 JST Vuuc

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     @inthehands

     "As intertemporal guarantees of freedom, fundamental rights afford the complainants protection against comprehensive threats to freedom caused by the greenhouse gas reduction burdens that are mandatory under Art. 20a GG being unilaterally offloaded onto the future. The legislator should have taken precautionary steps to ensure a transition to climate neutrality that respects freedom – steps that have so far been lacking."

     from the courts reasoning I linked in the toot before

     Paul Cantrell repeated this.
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     Vuuc (vuuc@troet.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 29-Jul-2023 06:15:19 JST Vuuc

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     @inthehands
     Winning more battles in courts against governments and corporations.
     This could be somewhat of an example:

     The highest German court set a precedent two years ago.
     It ruled partially in favour of a complaint against German laws to prevent climate change.
     The court found that the German government is not upholding it's responsibility towards future generations and based that on scientific reports.

     US Supreme Court is unlikely to do smth like this, but still
     https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/EN/2021/bvg21-031.html

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     • Dr. Katharine Hayhoe

     More on the themes upthread in this excellent post from @kathhayhoe:

     https://climatejustice.rocks/@kathhayhoe/110804470409754198

     It’s not enough for people to know the climate crisis is real. We also need to know that we have the power to change its trajectory, that we are •right now• in a moment where all our actions and inactions matter, where even small victories have the power to bend the climate curve in ways that will help billions of people.