Notices by #FreeSchool <---> Hashtag #️⃣ (freeschool@qoto.org), page 4

Reasonable suspicion must be based on "specific and articulable facts",

RAS = Reasonable Articulable Suspicion (this is less than probable cause).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion

@freemo Agree - but it's not far off.

My own efforts are for making a collection of words as a "System of Relativity" or "System of Love" that I think is what we need to get ground back on meanings for words hopefully in a more practical way:

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113006438017272971

However, without practice of them, they are infertile.

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THE RESET IS IF YOU CARE
A LOT MORE ABOUT THESE TOPICS
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1/ So even if people could use a more specific or better word. the assumption AND probability is being understood and those that know are likely to do the human work of compassion and related words as empathy or compassion.

Yes - Writing a post like this helps make it clearer and hone words so they get better.

Empathy is not far off and one knowledge close by dominoes or relates to the another.

2/ I've recently "attacked" things that don't work humanly to get understanding between people like with words themselves. (I say "attacked" but only as a reflection of the lack of work / integrated ignorance / inaction of people in STEM and all that seem not to want to do "people work" or things more humanly in between all work.

The above might be seen as a judgment or knock on everyone but also responsible for this human work is of course government / capitalism who instead is robbing people's time (using debt / laws / keeping people dumb or cold etc) which makes this less of judgement on my part and more as a "this is life, do you want to change it?" + a FreeSchool lifetime's worth of education / experience / asking / testing / living in this way and not finding it, perhaps finding I.T. mostly)

I guess I see a way to achieve many things more than Tech and expectancy here is that Tech-heavy things without that will not work for humans on many levels of communication, feelings, expression etc. Arguably people and Tech and STEM all cut it out and have focuses as part of their strengths yes (but massive weakness) and you have rich people easily seen using and magnifying that. We need to not do the same even we're not evil so something actually grows humanly like kindness and all these other terribly hard words to consider "developing".

People "like you" (just to keep it short / no offence intended) basically don't get why they should switch or exchange or change the classic Tech tree of development to make the human the forefront and more magnified instead of everything else - since we have enough of most things now (thank you for you work - you are relieved of those duties)... so now to the human sides.

Those who have NOT made these kinds of words or being part of their work everyday or weekly somehow are making things unstable too - Because if the world is what we want to head to as more of a emotionally intelligent world or emotional intelligence then WE MUST DO *THIS* as dictionary work + practice as part of everything (I don't mean stop but include it as the glue else it's a cold machine). Very. Cold.

3/ I've given up on you as a person doing that so don't expect you to change but wanted to say in regard to #PetPeeves "that's how you solve it all". I think your post is a good example and quite right but could be done more fully (instead of your #AI project for example or other branches).

You (plural) can be right all you want but without putting it into practice the FreeSchool way or enabling those then you get low bar of people. And then complain about it.

4/ Self-advertising my own small scale efforts again and putting it to practice with people - I've made words similar to this "System of Relativity" or "System of Love" that we need to get ground back on and ACTUALLY GROW in the mind. Mind power with existing technology is enough (not even more stem using and abusing this). For me this means simply text / audio group chat orientated to working on / with these things and other things branching off as a side project of love. Especially if you have enough money for a while, then do love (human species). Usually people do money (banks / business) and then love and by that time mathematically the damage / dis-care is far greater / irretrievable in that order.

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113006438017272971

@freemo Agree - but it's not far off.

My own efforts are for making a collection of words as a "System of Relativity" or "System of Love" that I think is what we need to get ground back on meanings for words hopefully in a more practical way:

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113006438017272971

However, without practice of them, they are infertile.

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THE RESET IS IF YOU CARE
A LOT MORE ABOUT THESE TOPICS
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1/ So even if people could use a more specific or better word. the assumption AND probability is being understood and those that know are likely to do the human work of compassion and related words as empathy or compassion.

Yes - Writing a post like this helps make it clearer and hone words so they get better.

Empathy is not far off and one knowledge close by dominoes or relates to the another.

2/ I've recently "attacked" things that don't work humanly to get understanding between people like with words themselves. (I say "attacked" but only as a reflection of the lack of work / integrated ignorance / inaction of people in STEM and all that seem not to want to do "people work" or things more humanly in between all work.

The above might be seen as a judgment or knock on everyone but also responsible for this human work is of course government / capitalism who instead is robbing people's time (using debt / laws / keeping people dumb or cold etc) which makes this less of judgement on my part and more as a "this is life, do you want to change it?" + a FreeSchool lifetime's worth of education / experience / asking / testing / living in this way and not finding it, perhaps finding I.T. mostly)

I guess I see a way to achieve many things more than Tech and expectancy here is that Tech-heavy things without that will not work for humans on many levels of communication, feelings, expression etc. Arguably people and Tech and STEM all cut it out and have focuses as part of their strengths yes (but massive weakness) and you have rich people easily seen using and magnifying that. We need to not do the same even we're not evil so something actually grows humanly like kindness and all these other terribly hard words to consider "developing".

People "like you" (just to keep it short / no offence intended) basically don't get why they should switch or exchange or change the classic Tech tree of development to make the human the forefront and more magnified instead of everything else - since we have enough of most things now (thank you for you work - you are relieved of those duties)... so now to the human sides.

Those who have NOT made these kinds of words or being part of their work everyday or weekly somehow are making things unstable too - Because if the world is what we want to head to as more of a emotionally intelligent world or emotional intelligence then WE MUST DO *THIS* as dictionary work + practice as part of everything (I don't mean stop but include it as the glue else it's a cold machine). Very. Cold.

3/ I've given up on you as a person doing that so don't expect you to change but wanted to say in regard to #PetPeeves "that's how you solve it all". I think your post is a good example and quite right but could be done more fully (instead of your #AI project for example or other branches).

You (plural) can be right all you want but without putting it into practice the FreeSchool way or enabling those then you get low bar of people. And then complain about it.

4/ Self-advertising my own small scale efforts again and putting it to practice with people - I've made words similar to this "System of Relativity" or "System of Love" that we need to get ground back on and ACTUALLY GROW in the mind. Mind power with existing technology is enough (not even more stem using and abusing this). For me this means simply text / audio group chat orientated to working on / with these things and other things branching off as a side project of love. Especially if you have enough money for a while, then do love (human species). Usually people do money (banks / business) and then love and by that time mathematically the damage / dis-care is far greater / irretrievable in that order.

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113006438017272971

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @QOTO
Yeah you don't do it before... and then you don't do it after I tell you not to bother.
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
Masterclass. Lots of claps.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @QOTO Great. Let's leave it there for now.
You had the opportunity to update me / us by simple text here...

@realcaseyrollins @freemo @QOTO Sure can seem so I admit but the guy just says stuff and then doesn't do or even doesn't say he say but didn't do 🤷 It's classic in that way also and worse if really he's more intelligent / responsible. 📉

Even here you see he's able to write more and spend time but still not even a simple few lines about what is hap... ah forget it.

Could be passive-aggressive / attentioning seeking allowing me to simply ask / not solve it sooner.

I get instead a message like it's a secret "If you want a URL as I said it is in development so its not live yet, until its live you will have to follow the gitlab and/or ask in the matrix chat if you want detailed updates." WTF

F OFF do I look like a rabbit jumping hoops for simple updates on handling your own responsibility and what you said would happen... :nes_fire:

Waste of time right now - go back to whatever you were doing.

Just time spent here instead of fixing it is cruelty. Forget it I'm going to take the hit for this one, no search, no way to export posts to something human readable offline... gonna bear the half-working server and keep looking for ways...

Don't even pretend your doing a good thing by bearing me lol that's just low man !

Sort your project out and get back to us "in a few weeks" Speedy Gonzalez !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedy_Gonzales

Hi @freemo, you said you'd turn on again searching own posts from search bar in a few days but as yet not and been ~2 weeks

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+ No update in general which I think is missing overall anyway

Looks like you might just be working on something else entirely :ablobwink:

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Some stereotypical / common replies people might want to avoid repeating too much"

"Yes I've got my people working on it" I'm sure.
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I'd love to tell you exact day you said this but I can't search my own posts :) / :L[

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ELSE END HERE

YOU GET THE MESSAGE OF ALREADY, sarcasm or not as show of delay, so....

- Can you give me another estimated date in which time will elapse AND pass again and not be done or updated when delays further happen?
(Months is ok, we all have time and can't really export our data anyway, just pretend we can go if we don't like it here! )

- Can you not add any updates to your own server using @QOTO or #QOTO - better just treat this as a side-project where 1 or two *maybe* "are working on it" (or it's just you on this mainly doing other stuff of course) and give us a few more of these "copy and paste" lines when asked:

📋 - "yes should be done in the next few days"
📋 - "I have more people working on it now" or anything saying you hired 20+ people as the reply for being busy on... something... else.

because it's quite fun me writing to you and you saying you don't have time or like to keep it short, while replying to people asking about problems from things remaining in limbo... not done.

Again all optional but you might find yourself copying and pasting the above lines regardless of any snarky remarks by anyone

DON'T wondering why it gets like that with unfinished work. I'm sure you're doing well and it's just not visible.

⚠️ I understand - it's not half broken - it's half err... fixed / being upgraded ! Just be patient.
YYYY (Yeah Yeah Yeah)

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WHAT ABOUT.... staying on V3.2.1 and calling it a day?
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We're grateful for whatever we can get but give full access to what we had and *SAVE* YOURSELF THE UPGRADE WORK for what might be less than a side project seemingly anyway,.

No attention to updates needed... stick to old.

I'll continue to call what you say either way and document it somewhat. Or just say if no plans or human power to finish off this dragon. "It's been really hard" lol
Yes I am considering my own instance as someone suggested if I don't like this way!

I personally hate promises or words unfulfilled (not all in your case but in this it's like "mneh how much are "they" really trying"
and "you know it's free so don't complain about delays or 0 updates" as a general rule for continuation of the unfinished.

DON'T WRITE something people can find globally / via hashtag who are looking for answers or education meantime - NOTHING like it's active or saying incrementally what you've done
or even "YEAH WE FUCKED UP ROYAL"...

Just reply your usual polite stuff to individuals... Nobody else notices I'm sure...

(I don't need for the reply contesting anything - just searching posts to be enabled or server rolled back or whatever to get it to how it was).

@freemo @QOTO Which website - why wouldn't you even repeat it here?

It's not in this thread.

@freemo @QOTO Which updated website?

@freemo @QOTO It doesn't cut it to force me to get updates that way either when asked (again)
OR even do your minimum responsibility of updating everyone (not just me) through simple text

Instead you ask for a more complicated gate...

Sorry but I'm insulted by that and shows "this" the attitude that stinks and you replying doesn't make it better.

Forget it you suck even more. No need for me to go to your Matrix chat to tell you that. Don't reply man you are making it worse.

@freemo
Heard what you said.

Perhaps not said as clearly before was that if you were actually looking for something similar to what I'm looking then this would be better actually better than expecting nothing or giving for free. Largely this is the problem and people don't see or want to do the participation or games at the lower levels or however to phrase it.

It's lacking a lot in my view but this is just my side said and I appreciate your side.

If we agree something then this is low value for us.

I simply have my export to try manage to import somewhere / somehow.

And not much else to say.

@freemo
I think you're not interested as the main thing and too busy for those things not interested in.

You're so fast in what you like doing... talking lots about elections - huh fair enough...

I already said when people say they will do or update something but do otherwise or say near-nothing then I'm not the type to stay silent. You were gone for weeks I called you on it - you answered to most of my question public and DM and they were polite or very simple. I understand you had to be away.

I understand some people stand more for something and also are luke-warm on it.

In fact I think you're coherent but simply not that interested.

If your main task is not improving people direction and more into the Tech or AI or whatever else, there is a sense of measurement and no shame about that even as my opinion or limited measurement- Do share more if you have. But no need over-extend.

I think you'd use / take more time on it if interested. This is itself a lot of proof.

Your past appreciation you also might forget so in general it's just a bunch of forgetfulness in total itself... like I haven't been grateful or should remain grateful for increasingly empty words I've had to push replies for (you could have updated us).

You might live a fast life or whatever have not a lot not to remember.... so fuck you're own ungratefulness in not seeing mine :)
Bringing up money is only reducing it down to the very problems I mean and only giving me back emotional stuff which I wasn't really asking for... don't play yourself.

It's not negative to say things you said months ago and even recently the searchable post would be done and frankly even free bad promises is also bad work like I said - nobody likes when the washing machine guy doesn't turn up again.

Eat it and expect it from no power on my side or ability to align people out of what you demonstrate you clearly have or have not the time for sometimes.

If you could help "pity the fool" who is data trapped here since Mastodon cleverly doesn't even have an import function or offline viewer of my data - somewhat great for these situations - so helping me export my data outbox,json to something human readable offline with pictures together means I'd quite happily "save" you all the money on me,.. and shows further you just don't get it and on some other mission.

Twitter's backup of messages was offline in the same interface as online... that would be a dream here but only saying how simple it was. Even a Wordpress style export or import via RSS... I dunno. But I need help in that and have been asking everyone.

The best I found is this below but doesn't attach any pictures to my previous posts and only as one long scroll which might not be bad if I found a way to search it as loading it all at long scroll for 100's of posts is asking a lot...
https://bovine.social/mastodon/

Disclaimer: this was written fast and without big emotion
(I accept you're mostly not feeling the same way for my ideas, missions or answers without expect ultimatums - it's all good now I know)

Again outbox.json to something human readable offline with pictures together - like a basic page per post in html would be great. Can't believe I can't even get out and Mastodon expects people to be programmers to program back together the export into some other format (and not it's own).

Looking for 2nd opinions because I guess something doesn't seem right.

Will rewrite this in a few mins as I balance some other stuff but do prepare your own thoughts...

❓ Why if people care (and I think they do but just not as much as I - if at all) do people not write things more clearly in defence of what is happening or going to happen eventually. The topic is data scraping The Fediverse so
➡️ if it's not clear on our side
➡️ if they don't make it obvious as an instance how can they even say they are against it or complain big companies ignore us...

When people say 0 or even worse they say they are against something but don't do the simple things, it seems a bit suspicious after a while...

Again trying not to chase my own tail her and will give some more context so it's not too general.

CONTEXT = DATA IS BEING SCRAPING FROM OUR ACCOUNTS AND MY ADMIN WON'T PUT A SIGN

It's not a big drama but I'm still adamant it's a massive error / big problem of abuse. Why wouldn't you put a disclaimer on your own instance like it was your own website? Something to say "no commercial usage or processing allowed" or "creative commons not for commercial usage" "copyright" etc etc,,,

My admin says robots ignore it anyway but that's besides the point of putting a human readable sign on your own front door or shop window saying that you do not consent to your instance and users data being scraped - and to at least says so or ask users.

My admin mentions that a lot of people want coverage being on the net but scraping is not the same or right kind of coverage so I exclude that as reasoning (correctly or not) trying not to assume too much - but there more reasons too like:

why would they take notice if you don't write it there ?

If historically or say in court you go back in time and look to see there is no sign of a "no consent" then you would agree the person(s) didn't care too much for it or know it existed but did little.

In the past month alone 2 big projects have been scraping millions of profiles - one individual alone for a test project and one as corporate entity.

The corporate one is alone terrible if not Google or something doing things for their search engine or whatever.
Almost all of us come FROM those types of platform to get away so not saying seems frankly stupid (opposite our primary goals and directives)

The phrase "give them an inch and they might take your whole life and download it for their own commercial activity" comes to mind. Why do I only feel or see that it seem - anyone else?
#MeToo ? lol (not sure it's the right MeToo but anyway Scrape has the word rape in it so I do feel scRaping people's profile is digitally similar)

Individuals innocently doing a project is also a danger (what's to stop me?) and even if I can forgive that person (many didn't) I still think "no means no" even to things added or offered here "publicly" but could be said as disclaimer you're unhappy about data being collected and becoming something else. SO ok I added it to my profile but why not the instance covering everyone.

The whole logic of "they are ignoring us anyway" so don't put a sign on you own shop window might be as good as asking people not to steal or download it for commercial use but it is crazy / slack it seems not to ask even robber or rapers to kindly see that it's not what you would like and take the time to say BEFOREHAND.

I might like to say "I'll just scrape my own instance to prove this" and think about what I mean but if I don't do it someone else will so maybe I should... is a distraction of an ending but Hmm #QOTO is too quiet / lacking direction anyway it seems... people need enemies to get them together... though not suggesting me to teach. Right now Question Others To Teach Oneself is the way for now but not just that passively for the way forever I think... we must do

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And further distraction
for myself to consider looking at other things as indicators...

➡️ Admin Freemo is ok with AI
➡️ Admin Freemo not big into improving people as the main work in life (no use have "even more super tech" if everyone hasn't learnt how to express / communicate / feel ok with others / enjoy people / not hate. So doing this "the people work" or even therapy sounds odd but if for the way - hard if you're a data scientist or anything STRONG in other ways (why would you focus on caring for the individual human as you "systems thinking" answer -

I remember now to write about "systems" and "tech" by default always leveraging and needing imbalancing (heavy metals, resources, intensive initial energy, etc) in order to achieve what seems 'efficient' after - so if we "CARE" or respect life - we have to admit the tower PC's needed a lot of damage and mental on it's own and even small stuff now similarly or more precious metal...

ultimately a scientist might not be able to accept or leave his love for saving mankind in the material and emotional sense of sorting people and nature out but doing more of the things we're not doing like individual respect / listening / helping smaller humble human projects...

ok will rewrite this soon but any notes you write in reply I'll try keep

@ZaneSelvans @ntnsndr Can you share some links about both?
Thanks

- Sharing Governable Spaces and Community Rule

and

- NSF POSE I-Corps cohort

And also in general:
I think people can use their feelings and evidence approach to question people in a progressive way...

@freemo @khird @barefootstache Just to confirm the not reading and reply applied to this post only.

Please update us about the server upgrade and what your a are doing with it.

@freemo @khird @barefootstache

TLDR NO NEED READ OR REPLY

⬆️ "skip the communication completely" really you can !

1/ I'm not understanding why simply me and others asking on #QOTO hashtag what's happening + me directly messaging you, asking you questions + me asking mods... DIDN'T F-ING WORK for many questions !

And then you give me a message like you're back again claiming you were never gone. Just poor.

Don't reply to this - it's honestly without emotion now and a waste of my time and yours too if messages to you don't even work.

REALLY DON'T READ MORE! "SAVE TIME". Just leave it as me doing my part in saying...

And now suddenly you're back which you can see on your own timeline a clear gap in any posts and lack of updates about upgrades (OR do send me a couple of link examples to upgrade updates IF I missed them).

Not good. We can leave this part about communication and "save your work" in replying.

2/ GRATEFULNESS DECREASED
Like I said to Bonifart, Free bad work is still bad work. The lack of contact / management is still bad work,.. IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING ENDLESSLY GRATEFUL REGARDLESS OF POINTS with things unsaid endlessly / not working things when asked - so I'm becoming less grateful accordingly.

I HOPE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THEY SEE PEOPLE SWEAR ETC that it's realtive / proportional to being almost ignored or just enough replied like "What we were always here, it's you, you did talk to us at all or mention us in posts" lol.

It's not even about moving to another instance or hopping to the next unresponsive manager who disappears or claims they've been keeping people informed and working on things almost invisibly compared to months back when it was daily...

(oh I don't doubt you did something... but it's the way it's done).

@freemo @khird @barefootstache
3 things.

1/ Adding Disclaimer to QOTO regardless of what they do...

What they do Freemo is not what we're only looking at. We do our bit and say about consent and say so to others 'this' is what we do and don't want- if they ignore it or not that's on them and us telling them is our responsibility and sign on the door THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE CONSENT.

I don't understand people who don't mention something and then complain after. The fact that that massive companies are ignoring things SUCKS for us but THIS KIND OF LOGIC SUCKS not to put it,
As far from the imagination is possible, being clear helps a whole lot more. Anyone looking back in time will just say "They never expressed their dissatisfaction or did any effort to repel such a thing" - it might never go into law, but looking back they will say "there's nothing there to suggest they even cared!" and "they never said anything even near to that effect"

So yes it does count freemo and have value to users - we're not just looking only at what they do - but how we express and conduct things. Please add...

"No consent given for commercial usage of data anywhere on QOTO, including scrapeing/taking/using/processing anything in any way. You must get express consent from each user personally for such permission or data usage."

2/ SEARCHING OUR POST?
Can you enable searching of our posts again from search bar ?

And acknowledge it's been disabled for months without comment on that?

3/ KEEP US UPDATED?
You remember when first upgrading you gave updates almost daily. And then after the long weekend realised it not happening?

Why did you stop the updates?

It could be I'm not seeing things but where have you continued to put those (if so?) even if to say "it still hasn't happened and why.

From my point of view THIS kind of not saying for ages AGAIN is poor work... so I'm looking to give you more credit but you can also skip this part too as it's just more work (and you stick to whatever you're doing which is not clear).

3 points here.

THE UPDATE IS THAT...

***THERE IS NO UPDATE OR UPGRADE.*** 🎈

Hmm they said a few weeks and now it's months...!

🚏🕺 🚌
"Oh wait Is that my upgrade bus?... ahh"

@freemo
@khird
@barefootstache

The above are your moderators.

Probably better to stay silent.
Who knows?

@freemo Applies to others more than just Freemo to expand on the CW title of this post which is the Shortest version I just thought of.

EXPANDED - ABOUT WHAT WE ARE BUSY WITH AND CHANGING TO ANOTHER MODEL OF BUSY-NESS / HOW WE USE TIME ETC) ...

When people usually say about not having the time and bandwidth that's exactly what I'm pointing out, that their whole life or model is not including any of those human things.

How can they or others possibly imagine life without daily people being more human whatever they do or as a side-project on Fediverse?

So while Freemo is giving me time, I'm asking him and YOU to CHANGE YOUR MODEL and make is more personally about 'us' (on the many levels and existing branches of that and simply not jumping into commercial or AI setup as the first big container we jump in).
Making ourselves our business with the existing businesses we have!

And humanly kinda what QOTO acronym is for: 'Question Others to Teach Ourselves'. To improve people probably, but more consistently / personally. Although you say it's a small project, could be the main one to try first as more of a human thing,.. and less the risky / rug-pullable #AI time and money investments your making. [friendly finger wave and shake of head].

You can also lose big on AI and will always need better people in the end.

@freemo Well said / believe you.
I'm also continuing for other reasons like:

█ for others to pile in a bit their thoughts on this topic, help me clarify it (maybe it is already clear to you?)

█ to hear if you're opposite any of the things in my lyrics or text (those opposites would actually help reduce me trying and prevent retry somewhat)

It's not personal, but somewhat it inevitably is (looking from many levels and aspects). The short-term/long-term relativity between humanity without things just DEMANDS ATTENTION whether we are direct or indirect giving ourselves that respect and doing / not doing it. It does come back inevitably as long as humans are alive.

You could say "people doing all the same-same science/tech stuff is directly responsible for people feeling and living without the human consideration stuff".

I don't have a choice to live without the human stuff- although others might feel it's ok.