@steph@mia powerline sucks, mesh is worse if interference from the neighbors is a problem, the first thing to check is that you are using 5ghz which is going to be much quieter (owing to poor wall penetration)
then proper wired backbone is crucial, first of all I'd verify that the powerline setup is actually the problem by testing it with wired devices on either end obviously proper ethernet cabling is going to be the best but you have other options if you own the powerline adapters, and the house has unused telephone wiring, a neat hack is to mod the devices to disconnect the transceivers from mains, and just run the data lines over the phone wiring (see for example https://www.instructables.com/Ethernet-Over-Telephone-Lines-or-Whatever-Cable/); that should give much better results than the noisy mains wiring alternatively if you have unused coaxial cables (for satellite or cable TV), there are also adapters that can make use of that, the cheapest option being a set from directv which should give you about 60-70Mbps half duplex, or fancier ones that can go faster
@lanodan@xerz yeah, it's fine for microcontroller applications where cost trumps everything else, or when you just need embedded linux with no serious performance requirements
@wolf480pl@mikoto@lispi314 yeah that's mostly a hypothetical/ideal situation I'm talking about here like I said, it makes no sense for OEMs to build machines that aren't the best possible spec other than driving sales, and as consumers we have absolutely no say over the matter this is me lamenting the status quo
@wolf480pl@lispi314@mikoto like, for CPUs, the lower you go down the tier list, the less sense the SKUs make rationally
for example it's well-known that when Ryzen 3000 launched, the yield rate was so good that they actually had to deliberately cripple healthy dies to meet demand for 6-core chiplets which means that anything with less than 6 cores should never have existed, yet they sold quad cores and other weird configurations anyway
and of course, the actual production cost of those chips is only a fraction of the retail price, and it certainly doesn't justify the roughly linear scaling of the price with specs
@lispi314@mikoto@wolf480pl >Those specialists cost a fortune (often enough to make buying a new machine more palatable) when they're available at all (which they aren't here, I'd need to commute for a long time or ship the machine at considerable expense). It is also concerning that so much stateful hardware (but hard to reflash by users) remains on a machine, such that if the repair specialist is malicious, they can get up to shenanigans nearly undetectably.
a huge part of the problem here is how uncommon board repair is, and this won't improve without manufacturers' cooperation
also, I don't really believe that memory or CPU failure is necessarily more common than other components that are *always* soldered down (ignoring design flaws like bumpgate or Intel's modern CPUs) for example I would say that after storage (for which modularity does not imply any trade-offs, soldered SSDs are plain sabotage), power issues are likely the most common failure mode, yet you don't see motherboards with modular VRMs, and those would be infinitely easier to implement than any high speed data bus
that said, serviceability is obviously a good thing, and LPCAMM proves that sometimes it's just that the industry didn't bother optimizing for it when making trade-offs as far as that framework board is concerned, I honestly don't know what kept them from using it, and I don't think we'll find out if they don't publish any details it's still a very strange product
@lispi314@mikoto@wolf480pl imo repair and upgradability are separate concerns even if they overlap to some extent
the latter simply shouldn't be necessary, after all artificial market segmentation for electronics is a scam to charge you more for hardware that barely costs more to produce, there is no reason to sell crippled CPUs and machines with less than the maximum supported amount of memory
for repair, I don't really see anything wrong with leaving that up to specialists there is a real engineering trade-off here, they're not just deliberately making it harder to repair even if it happens to be convenient for them similar situation for combustion engines with cylinder coatings replacing cast iron sleeves in aluminium blocks, which makes them prohibitively expensive to rebuild, but unlocks performance *and* makes them significantly more durable!
the sad reality is that capitalism will not do the right thing here anyway, and in most cases perfectly repairable machines end up in the landfill/junkyard regardless of user serviceability for a whole host of reasons, including user miseducation and obsolescence, or insurance writing off vehicles way too liberally
@mikoto tbh it seems strange that they would go into that market when it's already well-covered, especially within their niche since diy builds are quite popular and there's a plethora of parts on the market
considering the non-upgradability this only competes with things like NUC-style mini PCs, and the mac mini and studio I guess, but sticking their laptop board form factor inside of a quality metal case would have been good enough imo as it stands, itx is completely pointless for this, the pcie slot is what, x4? could easily have been m.2 instead
@lanodan@xian@mikoto@wolf480pl we kinda edged that with L4 cache at some point but it was just edram on the CPU substrate but otherwise I think it's unlikely that we'd return to something like that
@wolf480pl@mikoto eh, it's still feasible, we've learned to push much higher bandwidths over much longer links, albeit for serial connections that's kinda the whole problem with memory, it's an extremely wide parallel bus and routing that on a PCB while maintaining ludicrous speeds is the actual challenge the width of the memory bus on that thing is mid-range GPU tier, equivalent to quad channel DIMMs and also to what apple ships with their mac SoPs I imagine fitting two LPCAMM2 modules (they're apparently 128 bit wide) on a mini ITX board with such a huge chip might have been a challenge, or some other factor kept them from doing it
@mikoto@wolf480pl that's kinda the thing with soldered RAM, it sucks, but it's also the only way to get LPDDR which is *way* faster than regular DDR precisely because it's soldered, actually faster than desktop memory too same reason why GPUs have always had soldered memory
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