Notices by Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social), page 11

@williampietri fwiw, I discussed this exact point a couple weeks ago at the Informed conference, where Yoel Roth questioned me on stage about this very point, and I highlighted that (1) you're completely correct and no one argued otherwise, but also (2) a protocol approach also opens up new opportunities to address those very real harms as well.

@Chigaze that's an interesting take. Hasn't been my experience (I've had way more in depth conversations there than here), but is definitely a reasonable concern if that's what you're experiencing.

@havn @mike i know, firsthand, that they very, very, very seriously tried to see if they could make activitypub work for what they wanted to do and concluded it just didn't fit what they needed.

And I see a couple of different protocols as a bonus, as each pushes the other to do better things.

@mike@thecanadian.social @mike@flipboard.social i mean, most of that is wrong.

But they've talked about business models in terms of providing additional add on paid services (which they already do with domain registrations for unique usernames). There is likely to be more like that as well.

And, if you don't think it's "conversational" um, I don't know what to tell you. It is.

@Jeremiah yes!

@shoq @lrhodes i do believe that they take a different view of federation. since the larger goal is more decentralization, not just distributed. so they abstract the different layers of the system, and actually see the reliance on defederation as a moderation tool as a kind of a kludge that comes with other problems (some of which have been seen here).

There are both pros and cons to each approach.

@rob11563 @dangillmor again, the WHOLE POINT of Bluesky is that it is resistant to the Elon Musk problem. They literally have in their mission that "the future version of the company is a threat" and are building accordingly.

@meredithw yeah, people are already building bridges.

@rob11563 @dangillmor it's so weird how many people go straight to "dur, jack dorsey site!" when he has nothing to do with it any more, doesn't even have an account there, and switched all his focus to nostr.

@jsj @rlmcneary2 @dangillmor i mean, good news for you, as he's not involved, and is focused on nostr instead.

@Wraithe they now *kinda* have animated gifs and video (they handle both as embeds for the time being). And search is way better than here.

@Brendanjones @jbenjamint i don't disagree with this. it could very well become that Masto is the NPR of the world, relying on donations, and Bluesky could find a place as a for profit media operation with a supportive following. I don't see any problem with that.

@paninid @Damon @seachanger @Hey_Beth fwiw i did not take it as dismissive at all

@Brendanjones i mean, that's just wrong. Skyfeed exists already and is a third party service that makes it super easy to create feeds. Lots of people do it. https://skyfeed.app/

@rbos having spoken with them about the challenges of decentralized moderation, I actually think they've given it way more thought than most. But, of course, implementation is everything.

@jbenjamint they're experimenting with value add business models, like if you register a domain name for your username. I expect more similar things to continue (optional fees for value added services)

@jcrabapple @Hey_Beth weird. again, my experience was that mastodon was more so (though it's calmed down of late). But, who knows. I'm sure there's tribalism on any particular network.

@seachanger @Hey_Beth oddly, that's the reverse of my experience. People here were much meaner to me for a while, though it's calmed down. And I haven't see the meanness on Bluesky. Just goes to show how people end up with very different experiences on different apps.

@Hey_Beth huh. I've not seen that at all. My experience on Bluesky has been quite nice? There were a few idiots, but easy enough to block.

@MastMirrah none, as far as I know. And because it'll soon be federated, if you don't trust Bluesky itself, you can use a different server.