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   William Pietri (williampietri@sfba.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Feb-2024 06:40:53 JST William Pietri

   I think people are missing something with Bluesky's "consumer choice" model of moderation. A lot of harmful content has harm beyond *you* seeing it. 1/

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     Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Feb-2024 00:49:28 JST Mike Masnick ✅

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     @williampietri fwiw, I discussed this exact point a couple weeks ago at the Informed conference, where Yoel Roth questioned me on stage about this very point, and I highlighted that (1) you're completely correct and no one argued otherwise, but also (2) a protocol approach also opens up new opportunities to address those very real harms as well.

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     Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Feb-2024 00:52:07 JST Mike Masnick ✅

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     @williampietri i mean, currently, that same problem exists here as well. We can defederate the nazis, but they still get to do and say bad shit on their own instances. But there is value in defederating those guys and letting them stew in their own little cesspools rather than harassing people.

     But we can also envision more automated systems that are tracking the cesspools for evidence of harms and look for ways to counteract it as well.

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     Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Feb-2024 00:56:16 JST Mike Masnick ✅

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     @williampietri again, to be clear, I think "solving" systematic harms is a great goal, but probably an impossible one. I'm focused on minimizing them as much as possible.

     Society sucks. Some people suck. We're not going to solve that with technology. We sorta have to solve that as a society.

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     William Pietri (williampietri@sfba.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Feb-2024 00:56:17 JST William Pietri

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     • Mike Masnick ✅

     @mmasnick Glad to hear it, but I think that pivot is too quick. I think it's an open question whether protocols can solve for systemic harms. Looking at the history of email, the web, and the cryptocurrency world, I'd say the track record is at best decidedly mixed.