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   Shoq (shoq@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Feb-2024 00:35:30 JST Shoq

   • L. Rhodes
   • Mike Masnick ✅

   @lrhodes I would doubt they would build in such obstacles to anything they would present as a true federated system. Such a razor in the apple would be obvious by now. Maybe the complexity is just unavoidable, and streamlining is not yet a focus? Perhaps @mmasnick has some insights here.

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     Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Feb-2024 00:35:30 JST Mike Masnick ✅

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     • L. Rhodes

     @shoq @lrhodes i do believe that they take a different view of federation. since the larger goal is more decentralization, not just distributed. so they abstract the different layers of the system, and actually see the reliance on defederation as a moderation tool as a kind of a kludge that comes with other problems (some of which have been seen here).

     There are both pros and cons to each approach.

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     Shoq (shoq@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Feb-2024 03:09:02 JST Shoq

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     • L. Rhodes
     • Mike Masnick ✅

     @mmasnick @lrhodes Yes, an analogy might be cutting off the phones from an entire town because a few bad apples are robocalling from somewhere in it. It’s a brute force solution that should be a last resort, not a first or even second.

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     mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 10-Feb-2024 03:10:02 JST mhoye

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     • L. Rhodes
     • Mike Masnick ✅

     @mmasnick @shoq @lrhodes I know I beat this drum a lot, but the Matrix model, that lets people and sites subscribe to other people or sites' blocklists, updating them seamlessly - is the Missing Link of Activitypub moderation. Bad acts scale trivially, the same needs to be made true of safety actions.