Notices by matthieu_xyz@calckey.social

@lupinia@infosec.exchange They don’t necessarily need us. I don’t remember who said that, but the ActivityPub decision isn’t necessarily a top-down decision from the Zuck or even a manager. Sometimes engineers and project managers just like an idea and want to try stuff and they get a okay from the management.

There is a very real possibility that they have NO IDEA yet how to monetize any of that and are just trying stuff (main objective is still to kill Twitter). Move fast, break things and think about the money later is also very facebook-like.

Maybe in 5 years they’ll realize that maintaining ActivityPub costs too much and they’ll cut it off. By that time the fediverse will have already grown multiple times the size of today. And if we get many power users and personalities maybe we can make it too costly to cut us off. As in they can’t afford to loose the connection to those users. Then they’ll truly need us.

@noondlyt@mstdn.social @atomicpoet@calckey.social
If you’re an early user of anything, anything at all. You’ll very soon realize that your friends and family will almost never follow you right away. They’ll join much much later when the network effect kicks in.

I could never convince anyone to drop skype for discord (I couldn’t use skype on linux and discord was less bad), ALL the people I couldn’t convince at the time are on discord now. Not because of me, but because of the network effect. I was merely an early adopter.

@franktaber@mas.to Licensing of posts should be part of the protocol IMO.

Maybe not a support for all kinds of custom licenses, but at least "All rights reserved other than those needed to store and display this message" and all the creative commons.

Just a little tag attached to the post CC-0, CC-BY, All right reserved, etc.

About the question of "Meta forcing their moderation rules" onto the fediverse. (which would imply no NSFW). This is not an argument to defederate from them prehentively.

(this is speculation we DO NOT KNOW what meta is planning)

My advice would be: DO NOT change your moderation rules. If meta cannot block posts that are explicitly marked as NSFW that’s THEIR fault.

And if they block you, let them block you. It tells a VERY different story to the press and observers if Meta blocks half of the fediverse because of NSFW content VS Half of the fediverse blocking Meta for no apparent reasons. (I now your reasons, but the journalists don’t)

Never stop posting NSFW. That’s one of the things that make us better than scared-of-a-single-nipple-on-artistic-photography instagram.

Imagine the story from the viewpoint of instagram users: "So you mean that there is NSFW stuff out there and meta is blocking it from me? Then I can just create a mastodon account and enjoy NSFW stuff there". VS "what a bunch of unwelcoming folks blocking Threads before it even launch"

#blockmeta #barcelona #project92 #p92 #threads

@activitypubblueskybridge@venera.social

Bluesky now has a federation sandbox. It’s the perfect environment to test an ActivityPub bridge.

https://atproto.com/blog/federation-developer-sandbox

@thegibson@hackers.town @vantablack@beach.city
I am in favor of the following three-step program:

- Limit Meta
- Activate authorized fetch (important!!)
- Inform users and tell them that they can block Meta’s domain and effectively isolate themselves from that service.

Limiting Meta means no posts on the federated timeline (in case of badly moderated posts) and that users will have to approve all follows from meta users (they won’t send their posts to meta unless they give consent first)

Authorized fetch means that Meta cannot easily (they still can by other means) scrap your instance and it also means that boosts won’t accidentally push posts to meta if the user is against it.

And domain blocking means that you’re giving the choice to the users. (it can even be opt-out, if you find a way to add meta as a default blocked domains for all users)

It also means that users can connect with their normie IRL friends who are all on meta’s services (either facebook or instagram) and will never willingly use mastodon.

Defederating from all servers who decide to federate with meta is beyond stupid. All you’re going to achieve is completely isolate yourself. If that’s the path you wan to take, you might as well disable federation entirely. Scrap all ActivityPub related code from your instance and continue as the old web of PHPBB forums.

Defederating from Meta and only Meta is a lot less serious (especially if all your users are likely minded), but you’re still forcing a choice on your users that shouldn’t be yours to make. Let users ban meta themselves if they want to.

Federating with meta should be a user choice, not an admin choice and even less a coordinated fediverse choice.

@atomicpoet @Gargron@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social

I don’t like algorithms much, because every algorithm becomes a game and some clout-chasers are very good at games and even cheat. The Bluesky’s "12 likes to be on what’s hot" feed was already pretty terrible. You just need 12 friends to get in there. The new "what’s hot" is also terrible, because it’s a reddit-like hot algorithm except for the entire platform not for a group and once a post get there it can stay on top for the entire day. It’s basically reddit karma farming. 0% chronological (But understand why people with large following like this)

I also don’t like the idea of likes becoming a measurement of a post’s worth. On mastodon likes are benevolent and boost is the actual "I want more people to see this" button. What about emoji reactions? If I react with a 🫠 is this supposed to be a like? A dislike? To me the worth of a fediverse post is by the number of boosts and I hope it stays this way.

What I PARTICULARLY don’t like is the way bluesky implemented their custom feeds. It’s not a plugin written in AIscript running on your instance server nor on your client. It’s literally some random dude’s server running unknown code. Meaning on top of trusting the software running on your client, the software running on your instance server (PDS), the software running on the BGS (which is a separate service) you know have to trust N services offering you N different "custom" feeds. "Make your own feed" doesn’t mean select a few keywords, it means run an entire server on your own.

But still, we can learn from bluesky. Algorithms aren’t all bad and we can have more than just chronological orders. The Mutuals feed is very popular and simple to add, the catch-up feed is interesting when people login only once a day and don’t want to scroll their entire timeline since yesterday, etc. We can add a little bit more choice in our timelines.

But I still I prefer my antennas than having to ask a third-party dev, please can you make a custom feed following this keyword for me? This isn’t freedom of choice to the users...

@rysiek@mstdn.social @jeff@honeytree.social

Careful before blocking newsie(dot)social! They’re also hosting Doctors without borders.

It is absolutely essential that Doctors without borders stay available to the widest audience possible. They’re new both here and on bluesky and re-gaining their audience is already hard enough to not fediblock them on top of that.

Whatever you decide to do, please be sure to not harm their work.

@oblomov@sociale.network @atomicpoet@calckey.social

1/ The point of EEE is to grow from the fediverse by siphoning it. But how is that going to work? WHO would ever drop mastodon to join Meta?? Meta doesn’t even need to siphon anything, they have 1 Billion users already. The 1.2M of monthly-active fediverse users mean nothing to them. There is nothing to siphon.

This is what’s going to happen: They give us access to the ActivityPub API, cool. They drop the access, ow too bad, guess we’ll continue without Meta. They cannot absorb 1.2M users when those 1.2M users care more about their values than about growth.

Meta isn’t going to absorb the fediverse, there is nothing they can do to convince us to join. EEE cannot work here. It won’t work.


2/ No, the journalists already know matodon. I don’t know if they’ell understand the fediverse, but "barcelona ≠ mastodon" and "barcelona is compatible with mastodon" isn’t hard to understand.


3/ P92 is literally IG. Advertized as such, same accounts, same follower/following list, same blocklist/blocked keywords, same everything. Mastodon users will not migrate back to Meta. They can defederate it won’t change a thing. They don’t even need our userbase, we’re a dwarf next to Meta.

The reverse is not true, we can drain a lot of users from Meta to mastodon/pixelfeed. Not all 1 Billion, but a decent amount and more than they can drain from us.

4/ This is not true. A lot of people migrate out of mastodon. Alternatives are growing and draining users from mastodon to those alternatives.


5/ This is a good reason to work even harder and make the fediverse an even better place. But when I see that bluesky is considered a good alternative, the number of features required to gain users’ interest might be actually pretty low.

6/ This is an issue. I do not envy fediverse admins.

7/ P92 is IG

8/ Speculation. And even if broken, seeing a lot (even 1% is enough) of @ user@ not-instagram is going to get them curious. People complaining about broken posts will make them curious. People complaining about Meta banning nudity will makee them curious. etc. If we don’t federate, we don’t exist, if we federate we have visibility they can see us, our messages, our complains our struggles, our values, etc.

@atomicpoet @gruber@mastodon.social "Why does this post show reels? And why can't I do the same?"THIS, but also don’t just focus on features, focus on content moderation too. On pixelfeeds photographs don’t have to cover the tits of their nude models. But also disinformation and nazi shit don’t stay online.

Actually a MUCH MUCH better headline wouldn’t be "open-source zealots banned Meta", but instead "Meta blocked a bunch of mastodon instances because of nudity" or "Meta put a filter to hide all NSFW content from the fediverse"

In the view of the public, the one doing the censoring is the bad guy, let Meta be the bad guy, as they try to fight against all forms of artistic nudity.

@kainoa @spiralmind @steve@social.dinn.ca @PerryM@newsie.social There are two kinds of password managers. Those that were breached and the one that haven’t been breached yet.

Now, from the one that were breached. Did they loose your passwords or not?

The real bad breach is lastpass loosing payment information. I was a free user at the time so I’m unaffected. But that sure didn’t look good.

@goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org It seems some mastodon users didn’t get the memo. And are heavily relying of the fact that they don’t use hashtags and cannot be easily found.

A kind of privacy by obscurity. But they’re very eager to keep it and were actually shocked to learn that this is not how the fediverse works.

Interesting parallel:

Some #bluesky users are very afraid of federation and even 10% of the posts being non-indexed for whatever reasons scare them. They want to see the full graph and index everything.

On the other side some #mastodon users are very scared that non-mastodon servers have basic text search to find public posts that are locally visible.

#universeodon #calckey #misskey