@cowanon@GoyGirl@Deplorable_Degenerate@madison@ForbiddenDreamer Intermittent fasting, at least for me, is by far the easiest way to lose weight. After my last kid, I got pretty soft around the middle. I just ate once a day - grilled or roasted meat, vegetables, cheese, eggs, etc. My overall health improved dramatically and I lost weight.
I used to do intermittent fasting on top of several hours of cycling for cardio weekly. I was losing weight even after eating 4000 calories a day. But I had a nervous breakdown (from many shitty things happening in my life at the time on top of the extreme efforts to lose weight) and maxed out two credit cards doordashing junk food almost every day for months.
Only way I know actually works for me is counting calories. It sucks and makes me feel like a robotic rabbit. But any kind of "free eating" just makes my weight stay put, even if I do things like replace milk with almond milk. Probably because my ghrelin and other digestive and hormonal subsystems are completely screwed from being obese since 10 years old.
Have you done any fasting?? I did chonk some after I fried my adrenals out with my first baby... learned I feel WAY better gluten-free, then conventional (pasteurized) dairy had to go, too.
I do swear by Medical Medium cleanses, & a lot of the advice, but I never gave up meat. Some of the die-hard kooks do that, but no. He doesn't actually say people have to.
People act like losing weight is just a matter of eating less and exercising more but if it were that easy obesity wouldn't be an epidemic. It's more like taking on an additional full-time job with no days off and lasts years and then it becomes a part-time job to keep it off the rest of your life.
I'm too skinny (again) & though I need more calories nursing & constantly chasing/tossing kids than I can often manage... my thyroid just does whatever tf it wants sometimes. Stress of stuff with my mom instantly took several lbs off me.
There's a couple other obesity theories that relate to environmental pollutants (there are more obese people in very low altitudes) & also the bacteria you do or don't possess in your guts.
It's okay. For now. Probably a ticking time bomb that has yet to rear its ugly head. It's a miracle it took this far into my life just to develop diabetes.
This and in many other cases it's clear that God gifted me with an unusually healthy and resilient body and for my whole life I've unconsciously responded with, "Challenge accepted."
Speaking of junk food... uh... tangentially related I guess? Anyway, I just got home from a... disastrous midnight visit from the doctors too embarrassing to say online because it'll stick with me forever, but at least I'm feeling like this event lit a fire under my ass to try and lose weight for the fourth time.
Try the Carnivore diet. Believe me, it's not some fad bullshit. I've been doing it for 7 years now. You can get back that lean and mean physique you had at 20. Best diet there is for older dudes.
I see your body-builder on roids doing fair cardio & raise you what everyone says is an emaciated me, 5'3," burning Nordic thermostat, hucking 20- & 25-lb babies all day & fighting a wiley 5-yr old often, too.
4k calories would finally get me somewhere. Mmmm. I did just finish a pile of venison meatloaf, peas, & taters, though 😃
You'd have to be a body builder on roids doing a fair amount of cardio to stay lean on 4k calories a day, much less cut weight. In my experience, I always had to drop to sub 2k to lean up to a noticeable degree.
Ohhh. Death on the Downs, aye? I figure most of them don't reproduce, but I suppose still an expense.
My son, again, is supposedly autistic, but he's still verbal, eye contact, affectionate... I'm pursing a PANDAS diagnosis (Pediatric Acute Neuropsychiatric Disorder After Strep), but it's like most medical things anymore & you still have to figure most shit out yourself &/or pay out the nose outside of standard med & insurance stuff 😩
Maybe I just don't want him on RFK's registry. Haha
You were talking earlier about the plan Hitler had to remove certain people from the gene pool, or from sucking up resources...
What was it called again?? I hate to think given the lowly state of so many Germans by the 30's that they didn't give folks a few years to turn around some. Troons are an auto-beheading, but chonky isn't meant for the chopper straight away. Some of it is the dismal state we've gotten to.... again.
I need a lot of things, haha, but I do have cheap farm eggs currently & good raw milk 😉 I also have venison in the freezer, but I was TIRED today... meh.
I also think exercise is more of a muscles &/or health thing than weight loss. Idk, though... I'd like to test being lazy again someday 🤔
If you were to get really "clean" with your diet & can't afford much meat, try eating lots of organic produce, beans, nuts, seeds, & still grains least. It's all expensive really, though. A carno friend on here says he doesn't think he spends more because more satiating. But, yeah, I choke at the price of good meat 😬 Glad I'm rural & have hunters in family... otherwise criminal.
Personally, I think chemicals & sourcing of food matter more than calories, but it's hard, time-consuming, & expensive AF to avoid all the shit they do to our food now. It shouldn't be like that.
It's expensive as hell to get the most bottom-tier basic beef that's probably loaded with cancerous crap. I can't even imagine affording the grass-fed local organic stuff. If I were to try for a more organic diet I'd have to become a vegetarian just to be able to afford it. I've already gone that route more than once because there's no way I can afford $15-20/lb of meat and normal oatmeal is way way way cheaper.
Check out the studies on berberine. It causes a dramatic shift in lipid profiles. They think it's from changing the gut microbiota. It also allows some blood sugar to be metabolized without insulin.
The only warning is that it will give you a runners like high the first few days. It goes away. It also has to be taken religiously, 500mg with each meal.
The endocrine system is very strange. The bile / hormone / cholesterol cycle is recycling system like no other, as are the various feed back loops at play. The fact that much of it is regulated by the pituitary, which is tiny, is quite impressive.
I've always been in shape, but berberine gave me hard cuts without losing any strength. It chiseled off a thin layer of fat in a few weeks. I'm in my mid-forties and have a solid six pack.
It's an alkaloid obtained from plants such as barberry and goldenseal. Berberine works by activating an enzyme inside cells called AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK), according to some animal studies. AMPK plays a key role in regulating metabolism and energy levels and is found in cells throughout your body. Berberine also appears to activate SIRT1 proteins, which are involved in cellular processes such as metabolism and inflammation. Additionally, berberine can inhibit an enzyme called PCSK9, leading to more LDL cholesterol being removed from your bloodstream.
It's fucking true tho. The mushroom that they say is tasty on top of your Salisbury steak is always almost identical to the one that will kill you and hunt down your children... and it's all your fault... like your some dumbass miner who fell for Fool's Gold.
@zeke@Eiswald@Deplorable_Degenerate@Humpleupagus@GoyGirl@cowanon@madison@zero@ForbiddenDreamer@fsjat That's a great explanation of what happens, although I ate once a day four days a week. Monday, Wednesday and Friday I didn't eat at all. After a few months, I would do a 72-80 hour fast once or twice a month. The best way I can describe it is having an almost constant runner's high. The insomnia sucked though.
I did and still do that. One big meal a day, whatever I can stuff in my lunch box. It is probably what's keeping me on the line between overweight and obese.
"Back around 2015 I did six days a week every week for six months."
You only ate 1 day a week for 6 whole months??? Jesus effing Christ! That's inhuman discipline.
"The pangs go away, then come in waves, then the insomnia hits... "
Yeah, I dealt with the insomnia. It's kind of weird cuz you feel calm and serene like you could go to sleep easily, but you can't.
" ...and it causes some permanent physiological changes."
Can't say I've dealt with that. Didn't do it long enough I guess.
"Vigilance and clarity of mind are effects mixed in there but I deal with hypervigilance anyway."
Sounds like maybe a net positive overall?
"Would absolutely not recommend something that extreme to anyone else."
I wouldn't either.
"Also do not try to lift while fasting. lol."
Ha. Definitely not. I noticed that after about 3 days I had tons of energy. I would go on 10 mile walks and never get tired, but if I tried to hit the weights I crashed hard in about 30 minutes. I think it has to do with glycogen depletion in the muscles.
@zeke@Humpleupagus@Deplorable_Degenerate@GoyGirl@cowanon@madison@zero@ForbiddenDreamer@fsjat Back around 2015 I did six days a week every week for six months. The pangs go away, then come in waves, then the insomnia hits, and it causes some permanent physiological changes. The enhanced sense of smell has never returned completely to normal and I salivate involuntarily and in copious amounts at just the thought of food. Vigilance and clarity of mind are effects mixed in there but I deal with some degree of hypervigilance anyway.
Would absolutely not recommend something that extreme to anyone else. It was dangerous but I wanted to lose a lot of weight very quickly and managed to do so.
A couple months back I added a pretty intense cardio routine, plus running, to the regular heavy lifting. I had to add a protein shake early in the day. But I seem to have adapted to that, as I don't need the off-cycle. I'm back to one (really impressively big) with lots of protein.
Yeah, that's the right kind of breakfast, but even that makes me feel sluggish. I guess it's maybe just a peculiarity of my individual metabolism, but I feel better skipping breakfast, and I've always done hard physical jobs too, but was able to get lunch breaks.
Honestly, where did this "You gotta have a big breakfast to take on the day" idea come from? If I eat the standard big breakfast I feel like I need a 2 hr nap. I feel much better if I skip it.
They weren't the super-sized tortillas. But they were big enough. All three were probably equivalent to one super-giant burrito you'd get at a real Mexican restaurant.